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by fireofice
Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:39 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: CW Porter's Website
Replies: 59
Views: 1511

Re: CW Porter's Website

So looking into it, I found there are THREE different versions of what Gustav supposedly said to Stanisław. From the original issue quoted by Kues: "Yes, yes, I remember you well. I had you taken out from the transport, and I have saved the lives of you and your two friends who were goldsmiths....
by fireofice
Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:30 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: CW Porter's Website
Replies: 59
Views: 1511

Re: CW Porter's Website

Another thing I thought of. When Gustav supposedly said to Stanisław "you should be grateful I saved your life" there is of course Kues's interpretation, which is valid. But another possibility I thought of is that he's basically saying "according to your version of events, I actually...
by fireofice
Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:30 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: CW Porter's Website
Replies: 59
Views: 1511

Re: CW Porter's Website

So when and where did Bower get his quotes? Bowers documentary where the quotes are supposed to have come from, aired june 19,1979 and Gustav Wagner wasn't released until after the Brazilian Supreme Court decision on june 22. So Bower got his qoutes from someone or by himself, either while Wagner w...
by fireofice
Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:48 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: CW Porter's Website
Replies: 59
Views: 1511

Re: CW Porter's Website

I should add that for Auschwitz, Josef Kramer said that there were no mass exterminations and gas chambers at Auschwitz. I have heard of the allegations of former prisoners in Auschwitz referring to a gas chamber there, the mass executions and whippings, the cruelty of the guards employed, and that ...
by fireofice
Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:41 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: CW Porter's Website
Replies: 59
Views: 1511

Re: CW Porter's Website

Wagner did testify to exterminations via gassing to the BBC in 1979. So he either was lying when he denied 'ever seeing a gas chamber' in 1978, or his first denial was some lawyerly, Bill-Clinton-esque technicality (perhaps he was saying he didn't see the inside of gas chambers). Regardless, he can...
by fireofice
Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:13 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: CW Porter's Website
Replies: 59
Views: 1511

Re: CW Porter's Website

You guys still haven't found a single example of an eyewitness who was at the AR camps, wrote or testified about his experience (in a recorded statement), and did not say they were extermination facilities. (I recognized in my first post on the thread that a couple such witnesses exist for Auschwit...
by fireofice
Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:33 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: CW Porter's Website
Replies: 59
Views: 1511

Re: CW Porter's Website

You guys still haven't found a single example of an eyewitness who was at the AR camps, wrote or testified about his experience (in a recorded statement), and did not say they were extermination facilities. (I recognized in my first post on the thread that a couple such witnesses exist for Auschwit...
by fireofice
Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:14 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: CW Porter's Website
Replies: 59
Views: 1511

Re: CW Porter's Website

Fine lets say I was wrong about Ohlendorf. Walter Haensch said he knew of no such order. As for their motives for lying, yes I get that you don't accept their testimonies. The point is that to say these testimonies don't exist is incorrect. I also reject "survivor testimony" because I thin...
by fireofice
Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:58 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: CW Porter's Website
Replies: 59
Views: 1511

Re: CW Porter's Website

He wasn't because the Aktion Reinhardt camps were not labeled "concentration camps" by the Germans. Again, you are ignoring the fact that his whole statement was premised on none of the camps being extermination camps. And I already explained why Mauser is a good source for Himmler's word...
by fireofice
Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:12 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: CW Porter's Website
Replies: 59
Views: 1511

Re: CW Porter's Website

We have no direct testimony from Himmler denying the Holocaust. We have secondhand testimony from Frank and Lammers at Nuremberg (who have a huge incentive to lie: trying to save their necks by arguing they were ignorant of the Holocaust), and WJC represeentation Masur's written recollections of hi...
by fireofice
Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:33 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: CW Porter's Website
Replies: 59
Views: 1511

Re: CW Porter's Website

literally all eyewitnesses (at the Reinhardt camps and for the Einsatzgruppen mass shootings) say the same thing was happening: systematic extermination of Jews Well since you seem to be including Nazis as eyewitnesses in your inclusion of Christophersen (who DID NOT admit he lied, see here: https:...
by fireofice
Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:23 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler's Voice
Replies: 11
Views: 396

Himmler's Voice

I believe that the Posen Speech attributed to Himmler doesn't pose a problem for revisionism if authentic. I do however want to bring up one aspect of this speech and the recording of it. According to SS General Berger, he said this about the audio: It’s an intermediate thing between the voice of Hi...
by fireofice
Wed May 31, 2023 6:28 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Document Says to Dispose of Bodies Through Dynamiting Buildings
Replies: 9
Views: 274

Re: Document Says to Dispose of Bodies Through Dynamiting Buildings

What do you think about the effort seemingly put into the formatting of the document (numerous department codes, signatures, stamps)? Assuming the content was self evidently absurd as you say, it would seem unlikely that one would place it in an otherwise extremely careful forgery. Simple. They tho...
by fireofice
Wed May 31, 2023 3:50 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Document Says to Dispose of Bodies Through Dynamiting Buildings
Replies: 9
Views: 274

Document Says to Dispose of Bodies Through Dynamiting Buildings

Nuremberg document 035-L says: Should the situation at the front necessitate this, early preparations are to be made for the total clearance of the prisons. In the case of sudden emergency, which precludes the evacuation of the prisoners, they are to be liquidated, and the bodies of those shot are t...

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