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- Sun May 09, 2021 9:03 pm
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
- Replies: 37
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Re: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
Is that why he mentions Danzig and the Corridor only once in this speech to his generals about invading a major country with the full might of the German army Yes. Because AGAIN Hitler's plan in a war against Poland was to defeat Poland, which is obvious . This means more than just simply taking ba...
- Sun May 09, 2021 8:06 pm
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
- Replies: 37
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Re: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
All of Hitler's considerations were preoccupied with Danzig and the Corridor, not with Polish territories. Is that why he mentions Danzig and the Corridor only once in this speech to his generals about invading a major country with the full might of the German army, in doing so possibly entering in...
- Sun May 09, 2021 7:51 pm
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
- Replies: 37
- Views: 22877
Re: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
No need to run in circles. What you haven’t done is shown how the historical record contradicts the notion that Hitler invaded for reasons other than Danzig and P Corridor. On the other hand I fully recognize your interpretation is also possible, but to be able to have certainty here we have to get ...
- Sun May 09, 2021 7:11 pm
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
- Replies: 37
- Views: 22877
Re: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
Clearly the document cannot be interpreted in the way you interpret it Zapper, because none of the other historical facts, which are numerous, confirm any of your interpretations. So let's start with point 2, "Hitler likely stated that the validity of the public reasons (Danzig/Polish Corridor...
- Sun May 09, 2021 6:17 pm
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's 26 September 1938 claim Sudetenland "last territorial demand in Europe" a lie? // "Appeasement"
- Replies: 18
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Re: The War Guilt Question of World War II
In the case of the Czech remnant Hacha really had no choice, so even if you disapprove of Hitler's behaviour towards him, the outcome really couldn't have been any different. Czechia was in the German orbit anyway, and eventually it wouldn't become a protectorate regardless of whether or not Hacha ...
- Sun May 09, 2021 6:14 pm
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
- Replies: 37
- Views: 22877
Re: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
Evidence doesn't exist in isolation, it must be taken together with other pieces of information. Simply discussing the interpretation of certain lines in an alleged speech which isn't verbatim from Hitler's mouth but merely a rough summary of various points without referring to other documents or e...
- Sun May 09, 2021 3:38 pm
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
- Replies: 37
- Views: 22877
Re: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
We are going off topic here, I would remind you of your earlier warning to me about not cluttering threads! I’m trying as best I can to keep discussion to the Obersalzberg speech, and textual interpretation of such. We can return to many of the other points you raised here at a future date. I guess ...
- Sat May 08, 2021 9:50 pm
- Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
- Topic: Hitler's alleged Role in the "Holocaust"
- Replies: 27
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Re: Hitler's alleged Role in the "Holocaust"
It's interesting to observe the trend in mainstream historiography tread toward territory they seemingly never would've thought about going 20-30 years ago. I think this has been a theme going back to Hilberg's 1960 work, which is considered foundational. From the wikipedia: Unlike many later schol...
- Sat May 08, 2021 9:46 pm
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's 26 September 1938 claim Sudetenland "last territorial demand in Europe" a lie? // "Appeasement"
- Replies: 18
- Views: 15583
Re: The War Guilt Question of World War II
The reason it doesn't matter though, is because Britain's attitude to Germany turning Bohemia and Moravia into a protectorate was that it was none of their business, and something which was probably going to happen sooner or later anyway (IIRC). Well I was talking more about the demand for Danzig/C...
- Sat May 08, 2021 9:37 pm
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
- Replies: 37
- Views: 22877
Re: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
That's that. I see what you’re saying, but your arguments aren’t totally convincing. Henceforth we can divide this conversation into 3 parts for organizations sake. #1 lebensraum. Raeder: “Whoever has pondered over this world order knows that its meaning lies in the success, of the best by means of...
- Sat May 08, 2021 12:55 am
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
- Replies: 37
- Views: 22877
Re: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
Given the clear similarities between the documents, and that Bohms criticism of the other documents is mild (Fuhrer didn't say those things at Obersalzberg but did at other times) would you still say it is likely PS 1014, 798 are forgeries? Yes, most certainly. There's little reason to believe they...
- Fri May 07, 2021 5:35 pm
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
- Replies: 37
- Views: 22877
Re: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/NT_Nazi-Suppl-A.pdf (page 994) Bohm discusses these comparisons here . See from page 407. Given the clear similarities between the documents, and that Bohms criticism of the other documents is mild (Fuhrer didn't say those things at Obersalzberg but did a...
- Fri May 07, 2021 1:57 am
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
- Replies: 37
- Views: 22877
Re: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
I found Halder's diary. Certain passages make me consider it might be suspect as well. https://www.ns-archiv.de/krieg/1939/22-08-1939-halder.php PS-1014 . "I shall give a propagandistic cause for starting the war-never mind whether it be plausible or not. The victor will not be asked later on w...
- Fri May 07, 2021 1:06 am
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
- Replies: 37
- Views: 22877
Re: Hitler's Obersalzberg Speech // DOCUMENTS 1014-PS, 798-PS and Raeder 27
However, the establishment historians STILL prefer to use these two documents instead of Raeder-27 which is considered by revisionists to be the authentic document. . Are we sure Raeder-27 is authentic? I haven't seen the original document but found a line by line comparison used by Nuremberg prose...
- Wed May 05, 2021 1:04 pm
- Forum: WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum
- Topic: Hitler's 26 September 1938 claim Sudetenland "last territorial demand in Europe" a lie? // "Appeasement"
- Replies: 18
- Views: 15583
Re: The War Guilt Question of World War II
[This reply is in response to a post made in another thread: Re: The War Guilt Question of World War II Webmaster] A request for the return of Danzig, which Germany had made regularly since 1919, could reasonably be understood as no "further" territorial claim. The same can be said of Meme...