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by Hieldner
Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:30 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler's Voice
Replies: 11
Views: 411

Re: Himmler's Voice

... Himmler. And if you cannot prove that this is definitely not Heinrich Himmler’s singing, how will you ever prove who is on the recordings of the Posen speeches?
by Hieldner
Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:27 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler's Voice
Replies: 11
Views: 411

Re: Himmler's Voice

During the Posen speech of 4 October, 1943, you can hear the speaker turning the pages of a manuscript at several points where there is no thematic shift. Himmler gave his speeches almost completely free and only took a few notes ...
by Whodunnit?
Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:28 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler's Voice
Replies: 11
Views: 411

Re: Himmler's Voice

... voice in front of a small group, so a similar enviroment. At the beginning of this speech he talks calmly to someone, like at the beginning of the Posen speech. The part is missing in the YT-video, but at the beginning of the full length speech he tells someone to lay a matress on some opening ...
by Hieldner
Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:20 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler's Voice
Replies: 11
Views: 411

Re: Himmler's Voice

... Himmler speeches on archive.org https://archive.org/search?query=subject%3A%22Tondokumente+und+Reden+vor+1945%22+Himmler , including the alleged Posen speech. The voice of the Posen speech sounds deeper, It depends on the speed at which the recording is played. I don’t think you can definitely ...
by Hektor
Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:30 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler's Voice
Replies: 11
Views: 411

Re: Himmler's Voice

... ever heard Himmler's real voice, and I was dumbfounded. In my opinion, this is a different person. The difference is just what Berger said: the Posen one is "sonorous". Btw, a couple of years ago Youtube recommended this to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wst0Yo2c91M You don't ...
by hermod
Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:37 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler's Voice
Replies: 11
Views: 411

Re: Himmler's Voice

Now I have to say, these voices definitely sound different to me. The voice of the Posen speech sounds deeper, and I can even see what Berger meant by saying that it sounds intermediate between Himmler and Hitler. At a postwar show trial, "is not" + "might ...
by EtienneSC
Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:26 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler's Voice
Replies: 11
Views: 411

Re: Himmler's Voice

... intonation or accent intuitively. The video clip sounds like the natural voice of someone who would command confidence and loyalty, whereas the Posen speech sounds like someone speaking woodenly who would probably inspire fear. It's an important find. I had assumed that if there were records ...
by Whodunnit?
Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:48 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler's Voice
Replies: 11
Views: 411

Re: Himmler's Voice

... ever heard Himmler's real voice, and I was dumbfounded. In my opinion, this is a different person. The difference is just what Berger said: the Posen one is "sonorous". Btw, a couple of years ago Youtube recommended this to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wst0Yo2c91M You don't ...
by Hektor
Fri Jun 02, 2023 5:47 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler's Voice
Replies: 11
Views: 411

Re: Himmler's Voice

... different microphones, etc. In my mind, the two voices have similar sound profiles and intonation, so I'm not ruling out the possibility that the Posen speech is Himmler's voice. My biggest issue with the Posen speech is probably the fact that the portion about "ausrottung" makes little ...
by curioussoul
Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:10 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler's Voice
Replies: 11
Views: 411

Re: Himmler's Voice

... different microphones, etc. In my mind, the two voices have similar sound profiles and intonation, so I'm not ruling out the possibility that the Posen speech is Himmler's voice. My biggest issue with the Posen speech is probably the fact that the portion about "ausrottung" makes little ...
by fireofice
Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:23 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler's Voice
Replies: 11
Views: 411

Himmler's Voice

I believe that the Posen Speech attributed to Himmler doesn't pose a problem for revisionism if authentic. I do however want to bring up one aspect of this speech and the recording of it. According to SS General Berger, he said this ...
by Hektor
Wed May 31, 2023 8:52 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: How do You Explain Non-Coercive Confessions by Perpetrators?
Replies: 20
Views: 2228

Re: How do You Explain Non-Coercive Confessions by Perpetrators?

... He denied knowing about the Holocaust at Nuremberg! But in a private letter to a Belgian resister,* he admitted that he had been present at the Posen speeches, in which, according to Speer, Himmler said "that all Jews would be killed". Why would Speer (who always denied knowledge of ...
by Otium
Tue May 30, 2023 7:37 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: How do You Explain Non-Coercive Confessions by Perpetrators?
Replies: 20
Views: 2228

Re: How do You Explain Non-Coercive Confessions by Perpetrators?

... He denied knowing about the Holocaust at Nuremberg! But in a private letter to a Belgian resister,* he admitted that he had been present at the Posen speeches, in which, according to Speer, Himmler said "that all Jews would be killed". Why would Speer (who always denied knowledge of ...
by Hieldner
Tue May 30, 2023 1:54 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: How do You Explain Non-Coercive Confessions by Perpetrators?
Replies: 20
Views: 2228

Re: How do You Explain Non-Coercive Confessions by Perpetrators?

... He denied knowing about the Holocaust at Nuremberg! But in a private letter to a Belgian resister,* he admitted that he had been present at the Posen speeches, in which, according to Speer, Himmler said "that all Jews would be killed". Why would Speer (who always denied knowledge of ...
by fireofice
Fri May 26, 2023 3:50 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Where Specifically Do [Revisionists] Think the Reinhardt Jews Went?
Replies: 78
Views: 2039

Re: Where Specifically Do [Revisionists] Think the Reinhardt Jews Went?

But from the Einsatzgruppen Reports to the First Posen speech, there are numerous instances where 'resettlement in the east' or 'evacuation to the east' are blatant euphemisms for murder. ... Don't forget that Korherr only referred to resettlement ...

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