KEEPING THE FAITH!

[Scott]

I thought this was worth sharing...

I think you’re right, Camus. Let these pitiable creatures drown in their own bile.

Keep the Faith fellow revisionists. The Nazis and the SS were the good guys--but the anti-Nazis and the anti-revisionists dare not admit it for fear of losing their fabulous, ill gotten gains from the war.

“Hoaxbuster” Friedrich Paul Berg on the Codoh discussion forum.

http://www.codoh.org/dcforum/DCForumID9/143.html#10

SOURCE: RODOH (CLICK!)

And yet one wonders how the Plastic Spoon-generation of Germans "keeps the faith."

A sample from the Hoaxbuster's essay (CLICK!) "Poison Gas Über Alles," by Friedrich Paul Berg...

Twenty years ago I had the good fortune to spend many hours with Austin J. App who was one of the first Holocaust revisionists and an American of German descent. Almost as soon as the war had ended, he had begun to speak out and write against the anti-German atrocity claims. He admitted to me decades later during our long talk around 1980 and with great frankness that he had had little to go on in the way of strong evidence or arguments against the horror stories that were filling the newspapers, books and media outlets of that time. What drove him, however, was--and these were his exact words to me--his "faith in the inherent goodness and decency of the German people." I was moved by those words and recognized that the same kind of faith had driven me and many others who I knew. The inherent decency of the Germans has a serious downside which has, I believe, made them especially vulnerable to the propaganda. For the ordinary decent Germans, how could the stories not be true when there were all those trials and eyewitnesses and confessions and so on? In any event, my faith in Germany is shaken by what one sees there today. Years of Americanization and re-education and terror have had their effect. The moral breakdown and loss of self-pride of the Germans which had not been achieved by the enormous destruction and defeat of two world wars were finally achieved by the holocaust propaganda campaign of which the Nuremberg Trials were only a small part. A major reason for why the propaganda campaign succeeded is precisely because the Germans are a moral people. Americans by contrast would have been far more tenacious because they are surrounded by the kinds of corruption and accommodating to corruption which Germans found almost unimaginable. [Emphasis mine ~Scott]

Comments?

[Sailor]

The Nazis and the SS were the good guys--but the anti-Nazis and the anti-revisionists dare not admit it for fear of losing their fabulous, ill gotten gains from the war.

The Nazis, believers and followers of the National Socialistic view, were essentially rightwing patriots, anti-Nazis were usually left wingers, Communists.
In todays language the word “Nazi” describes about the worst type of person one can imagine.
I am also certain that there are people who gain academic advancements, power and fortune by selling out their own country. And Germany may not be an exception here. Politicians and money people of other countries may follow a similar path.

The German soldiers who I knew and who participated in the war told me without exception that they fought a clean war. And Berg might be referring to this in the quote from his essay “Poison Gas üner Alles”.
In fact by reading the Russian revisionist Igor Djakow “The Great Civil War 1941-1945” (Moscow 2002, 642 pages, ISBN 5 941 38015 1) one gets the same impression that German soldier fought clean.

And yet one wonders how the Plastic Spoon-generation of Germans "keeps the faith."

In Germany a difference is made between the war- and rebuilding generations and the present “Nachfolge” (follow-up) generation.
The latter one I do not and cannot understand. They were told from early on incessantly in school, by the media and on TV how bad the Germans are, and by implication that they themselves are evil.
One would expect a normal reaction like: “Let’s have a good skeptical look at this and try to understand. Let’s go to the Auschwitz musem and get all documents, they are ours anyways. And make all of it public for everyone to see. Let’d do some forensic tests under international supervision. Let’s make all German Nazi trial protocols public for everybody to read.”.
But instead they swallow the whole farce lock, stock and barrel, unchecked.
One can make up the worst atrocities committed by Germans and the present generation there will believe it.
Well, if they can live with that, it is not my beer.

[Hannover]

Poor 'Cortagravatas', his nonsense has been shot down so many times by Revisionists that he has to resort to such desperate actions. More examples of his embarassing imcompetence later.

But here, from a righteous Jew, an informative admission is made:

"If you deny the Nazi holocaust (as alleged), you can go to jail in many countries. Denying the communist holocaust will get you a chair at any Western university and tenure at the University of Toronto."

- Barbara Amiel, Maclean's magazine, March 20, 2000

Hannover

[Hebden]

One can make up the worst atrocities committed by Germans and the present generation there will believe it.
Well, if they can live with that, it is not my beer.

Some German-Americans remind one of those American Jews who are more Zionist than the Israelis.

Could it be that the present generation are more apathetic than gullible? Or that what oppresses them more than anything is not the spectre of the Holocaust but the memory of complete and crushing defeat? Or that for those raised in the present consumeristic society, pictures of goose stepping SS divisions and notions of 'blood and soil' seem hopelessly foreign and ridiculous?

How could one go about measuring the interest in Holocaust revisionism in Germany? Has anyone attempted to calculate statistics for how many German readers of the main revisionist websites there may be (we're assuming that it isn't actually illegal to read such sites)?. Do some German ISPs routinely block revisionist sites? Is it illegal to subscribe to Mr. Rudolf's VffG magazine? Doesn't the success of Mr. Finkelstein's book in Germany suggest there is a large potential market for revisionist material?

[Hannover]

Hebden said:

Could it be that the present generation are more apathetic than gullible? Or that what oppresses them more than anything is not the spectre of the Holocaust but the memory of complete and crushing defeat?

No, there are laws against Germans and most Europeans in general against scrutinizing and publishing the facts about the 'holocau$t' fraud. That is what is oppressive. The Thought Police and Traditional Enemies of Free Speech know full well that German knowledge of the real facts would jeopardize the decades of lies and the current political leader's positions.

- Hannover

[Hebden]

We seem to remember reading, though we cannot recall where, that the father of Mr. Brian Renk fought as a 15 year old defending Berlin from the Russkies in 1945.

Mr. Renk, of course, is Canadian.

[Hannover]

IF TRUE, then kudos to the brave Mr. Renk for fighting the good fight.

I'll pass this along to Brian.

- Hannover

[Hebden]

IF TRUE, then kudos to the brave Mr. Renk for fighting the good fight.

I'll pass this along to Brian.

- Hannover

Google to the rescue:

Brian Renk, the son of a German soldier who, at age 15, fought in the Battle of Berlin, did a yeoman job of documenting the errors and pretensions of none other than Zündel and Irving nemesis Christopher Browning (who allegedly received $35,000 for attempting to put Ernst Zündel behind bars at his 1988 show trial).

( http://www.hoffman-info.com/conference.html )


Mr. Renk Jr. seems to be doing alright for himself if this old story is anything to go by:

http://www.nsnews.com/issues99/w081699/08139905.html

Porsche of course is a German car manufacturer.

[Hannover]

So, what is your point about Renk? Who in my opinion is a 1st class individual, so be kind.

Looks like you need to start another thread on his work.

- Hannover

[Hebden]

IF TRUE, then kudos to the brave Mr. Renk for fighting the good fight.
- Hannover

We wonder if you think that those Russians or Iraqis defending their cities whether they be in Leningrad or Basra are similarly fighting the good fight?

Whilst we're on the subject, do you have any German ancestry of your own?

[Hannover]

The Russians were manipulated and coerced into fighting for ing Communism, they should have surrendered.

The Iraqis are resisting Zionist inspired aggression against their culture, kudos to them for resisting.

And yes, I am proudly of German descent.

- Hannover

[Scott]

Could it be that the present generation are more apathetic than gullible? Or that what oppresses them more than anything is not the spectre of the Holocaust but the memory of complete and crushing defeat? Or that for those raised in the present consumeristic society, pictures of goose stepping SS divisions and notions of 'blood and soil' seem hopelessly foreign and ridiculous?

I think the Germans simply have the mentality of a defeated people, and this is not surprising at all. It is manifest differently among the generations, however.

No German ancestry here, unless distantly. Just your standard Anglo-Saxon-Celt trash.

[Hannover]

FYI:
Anglo-Saxon is Germanic, and certainly not trash.

The expression goes something like:

'those that do not protect and have pride & respect for their culture are destined to be ruled by those who do.'

- Hannover

[neugierig]

I too find the mind-set of the, to use a Scott Smithism, ‘plastic spoon Germans’ puzzling, nay, annoying. Why aren’t they asking questions? As an example, for me, the confusion over the Auschwitz numbers is reason enough to be sceptical and because of it, I’m persona non grata with my relatives. The older generation was de-nazified, brainwashed. But there’s more. A few years ago, “Der Spiegel”, a German news magazine, had an article in it titled: “Auschwitz as party emblem for the left”. To be a good German, and one must be left leaning to be a good person, one has to accept every atrocity story, unquestionably, not only accept, but stress that it was probably worse. Depressing.

Wilf

[Scott]

Why aren’t they asking questions?

I think that's exactly the point. Regardless of which direction the Germans lean these days they are not asking the questions--at least not publicly. They can be somewhat to the Left of Lenin for all I care as long as they ask questions. Instead, when someone does ask THEIR questions he is bombarded with a hail of buckshot from our Guardians of Truth from the Plastic Spoon-generation. I find that curious.

One reason I found this article in the Spectator so interesting is that criticism or skepticism, call it old-fashioned anti-Semitism if you want, is particularly seen as a threat because it is hard to accuse the Left of Nazi-philia. Zionist critics and H-skeptics of the Left don't want to see the Führer reclaim his rightful place in the Reichstag, see. So what are they if not wannabe Nazis? What is this "asking of questions" if not the old pathological anti-Semitism?

I don't know but "the questions" need to be asked.

Poison Gas Über Alles, an essay meant to have been given in Bierut, makes some good points about American problems too. It's too bad the online link I gave did not publish it in full. But as po' American White trash, myself, I sincerely hope we have the courage to ask OUR questions as well.

Is corruption and cant systemic to our culture? I don't think it is a lack of pride to ask ourselves this. One only has to turn on the TV and follow the present war to wonder about our future. How much lies and hypocrisy can any people reasonably carry?

Anglo-Saxon is Germanic, and certainly not trash.

I can only speak for myself, but thanks for the reassurance. Some of us made good sharpshooters in the War Between the States. I think we can be prideful of our accomplishments, but something apocalyptic is bound to happen to a Prideful people, which the Anglo-Saxons are. If I am critical of my own people it is not because I do not worry about their future. And yet, judging from the latest television reports and government press conferences, we are puzzled and amazed that the Iraqis do not kneel before us after our Shock-and-Awe fireworks displays. It is simply mad. I guess the propaganda only works on ourselves these days.

Orwell was a prophet.