Document Says to Dispose of Bodies Through Dynamiting Buildings

[fireofice]

Nuremberg document 035-L says:

Should the situation at the front necessitate this, early preparations are to be made for the total clearance of the prisons. In the case of sudden emergency, which precludes the evacuation of the prisoners, they are to be liquidated, and the bodies of those shot are to be disposed as far as possible (burning, dynamiting of the building, etc.). In similar circumstances Jews still employed in the armaments industry or on other work are to be dealt with in the same way.

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... -that.html

Now how are you supposed to dispose or otherwise eliminate bodies by blowing up a building? That would not destroy the bodies in any way. This is an absurd document and obviously a forgery.

[bombsaway]

What do you think about the effort seemingly put into the formatting of the document (numerous department codes, signatures, stamps)?

Assuming the content was self evidently absurd as you say, it would seem unlikely that one would place it in an otherwise extremely careful forgery.

[Hektor]

What do you think about the effort seemingly put into the formatting of the document (numerous department codes, signatures, stamps)?

Assuming the content was self evidently absurd as you say, it would seem unlikely that one would place it in an otherwise extremely careful forgery.

Why? It worked. It got you puzzled for one.

The key is to get as many documents including outrageous statements as possible. As to use them in trials. When it's embarrassing for the accused and also confusing as the document seems legit, this will have an effect.

[fireofice]

What do you think about the effort seemingly put into the formatting of the document (numerous department codes, signatures, stamps)?

Assuming the content was self evidently absurd as you say, it would seem unlikely that one would place it in an otherwise extremely careful forgery.

Simple. They thought they could get away with accusing Nazis of the most absurd things. The nature of war and post-war propaganda was just to accuse them of all kinds of absurdities. "This is absurd, so they wouldn't have accused them of it" is definitely not a valid argument in this case. And even now, there are people like the holocaust controversies bloggers and you apparently who still take this document seriously. So as long as you keep believing this document, you are ironically showing why this argument doesn't work.

[Hieldner]

What do you think about the effort seemingly put into the formatting of the document (numerous department codes, signatures, stamps)?

Assuming the content was self evidently absurd as you say, it would seem unlikely that one would place it in an otherwise extremely careful forgery.

The forgers put in some effort, but clearly not too much. They didn’t use the sharp S most of the time and apparently didn’t have a typewriter to write SS-runes. Of course, as always with these alleged German documents, there is no original, but only a microfilm copy, so that one cannot check, for example, the type of paper or ink used. And the document’s code numbers would have to be matched and verified first. The order is absurd on the face of it, wasn’t carried out, not even at Auschwitz, but fully confirms incriminating statements of supposed eye-witnesses, e.g. from prisoners at Mauthausen, which are themselves often absurd.

Apart from that, it’s not a good idea to speculate about what people who come up with such nonsense as wallpaper made of human skin with nipples on it or stories about prisoners being forced to use sandpaper on the toilet might have been thinking when they did something.

The only evidence this document provides is of a more or less organised campaign of forgery by the Allies.

[Archie]

The L-series I believe stands for "London" and it is one of the more questionable document series. Here is what David Irving said about it.

Christie produced Exhibit 118, a document referring to Galicia, which he showed to Irving. Said Irving: "May I say that I am very wary about any Nuremberg document that has the document number L...This is L-18...Historians are familiar with quite a number of L documents from the Nuremberg series and a lot of them turn out to be forgeries. A lot of them turn out to be produced or manufactured for the Nuremberg trials to the best of my knowledge. So, this is the first thing that would worry me about that." (33-9357)

Crown Attorney Pearson objected to this testimony, alleging that this was a serious accusation to make. Irving replied: "If I may answer that point, sir, I investigated the Nuremberg trials in some detail and I was familiar with the fact that at Nuremberg, they did have a collection of the necessary rubber stamps, the security classification stamps in order to manufacture documents and they did do it. There are several instances where this subsequently turned out...I have published a book on that sir. It's Nuremberg -- The Last Battle...The prefixes on the Nuremberg documents give some index of the providence of the document. There's a PS series which was found by Colonel Storey [in] Paris, the Paris/Storey collection. Many PS series are thoroughly authentic. The L series were a small collection of documents used at Nuremberg and contain documents produced by journalists and handed over by a very eclectic series of sources. The NOK documents, the German for the [High] Command trial, the private files give us a first sniff, if I might put it like that." (33 9358, 9359)

http://ihr.org/books/kulaszka/35irving.html

I think I remember some stories about how they tried to destroy bodies via dynamite very early on, but this supposedly did not work. Was it Blobel who said something like this? Anyway, that would have been late 1942 (with the early Aktion 1005 operations), but this document is surprising late, July 1944.

[hermod]

I think I remember some stories about how they tried to destroy bodies via dynamite very early on, but this supposedly did not work.

I remember that one too.

[Hektor]

What do you think about the effort seemingly put into the formatting of the document (numerous department codes, signatures, stamps)?

Assuming the content was self evidently absurd as you say, it would seem unlikely that one would place it in an otherwise extremely careful forgery.

Simple. They thought they could get away with accusing Nazis of the most absurd things. The nature of war and post-war propaganda was just to accuse them of all kinds of absurdities. "This is absurd, so they wouldn't have accused them of it" is definitely not a valid argument in this case. And even now, there are people like the holocaust controversies bloggers and you apparently who still take this document seriously. So as long as you keep believing this document, you are ironically showing why this argument doesn't work.

Once you can make people believe obnoxious things, it gets easier to push through less absurd stories. The Buchenwald Table being an example here. The thing with an absurd story is that it is more suitable as a rumor. The more hilarious a story is, the more prone people will be to go and talk about it. Entertainment value matters.

[curioussoul]

I think I remember some stories about how they tried to destroy bodies via dynamite very early on, but this supposedly did not work. Was it Blobel who said something like this? Anyway, that would have been late 1942 (with the early Aktion 1005 operations), but this document is surprising late, July 1944.

Yes, I think it was a Blobel thing. But Blobel's use-case for the dynamite was even more ludicrous. He is claimed to have tossed dynamites into a mass grave to get rid of the corpses.

In the case of L-035, I can see dynamites being used to essentially bury the corpses in rubble, and possibly to make it appear as a battlefield casualty. Obviously, the corpses are not going anywhere, but blowing up a building with corpses in it would pretty much hide them, at least for the time being.

[Hektor]

I think I remember some stories about how they tried to destroy bodies via dynamite very early on, but this supposedly did not work. Was it Blobel who said something like this? Anyway, that would have been late 1942 (with the early Aktion 1005 operations), but this document is surprising late, July 1944.

Yes, I think it was a Blobel thing. But Blobel's use-case for the dynamite was even more ludicrous. He is claimed to have tossed dynamites into a mass grave to get rid of the corpses.

In the case of L-035, I can see dynamites being used to essentially bury the corpses in rubble, and possibly to make it appear as a battlefield casualty. Obviously, the corpses are not going anywhere, but blowing up a building with corpses in it would pretty much hide them, at least for the time being.

It sounds believable to people that do dismiss logic and physics, at least whenever the 'evil Nazis' are doing it.
That such 'testimony' went through frequently is a matter of concern to rational people, but not when one is into the Myth.

The Blobel 'testimony' was serving as a cop-out for not having physical evidence for what allegedly had happened. It is in retrospect evidence that there was something seriously wrong with the testimonies being given. And indeed, if it wasn't for the 'incarnation of evil' myth dominating historiography it would have been dismissed as the nonsense it is already long ago.