fireofice wrote:It seems you are the confused one. Your question of why they did it that way (if they did it that way) was answered. The reason would be because of space. I don't know what else you are looking for.
I am confused. Every country has space, including Poland. The quote you pulled "In the meantime the war against the Soviet Union has offered the possibility of putting other territories at our disposal for the final solution", says nothing about the occupied USSR having "more space" (quoting you) than other territories.
re Hitler order the camps were top secret and not accessible to civilian authorities. I showed a document where a civilian department tried to learn about Belzec but were not able to. I guess you are saying it would be impossible for Hitler and Himmler to decide on the setting up of these camps, then for Himmler to go to tell Globocnik (a high ranking member of the SS) to carry this order out, give him a budget, etc etc. For you this would necessitate a written Hitler order that would be shown to all SS men partaking in the activity, but I guess we can agree to disagree here.
I may make note of two things. #1 there is a document from Globocnik where he speaks of all the records and vouchers for the Reinhard camps having been destroyed http://www.deathcamps.org/reinhard/arloot.htm (indeed there are almost no documents that shed any light on even innocuous aspects of these camps), so orders or authorization may have been destroyed
#2, your demand for documentation concerning a top secret killing program seems very hypocritical considering there is nothing for resettlement, which would have been a much more demanding operation in terms of resources, planning, and logistics.
I'll quote here from David Cole's article on Unicornville -- the fabled internment camp or series of camps where the non-working deported Jews went https://hooverhog.typepad.com/hognotes/ ... -cole.html
So you know what? I’ll just turn Bradley Smith’s own language around on you guys. Bradley’s demand, repeated endlessly over the decades: “Where’s the budget? Where’s the budget for the Holocaust?”
If you think that the “evacuees” were sent someplace to be resettled, to be kept alive, to be fed, clothed, and housed for three years until the end of the war, where’s the budget for that? “Where’s the budget” is no longer lookin’ like a great talking point, is it, Smith? I mean, if you take nearly 2.5 million people on a one-way trip to being killed, the “budget” won’t necessarily have to be so big. I mean, you won’t have to take into account lodging, food, clothes, medical treatment, etc.
But caring for 2.5 million people for three years? Uh, dudes, there’ll have to be a pretty large fucking budget for that. And whereas it’s plausible to say that the mass murders during the Reinhardt period were paid for “off the books” because it was an operation so secret that Goebbels in his own diary stated that it should not be spoken of in detail, if the “evacuees” were treated with kindness and compassion, why hide that budget?
I guess I’m just sayin’, if you expect to see a “budget” for a secret and short-term murder program, why don’t you expect to see a budget for the long-term care and feeding of almost 2.5 million “evacuated” Jews? It’s insane to expect a budget for one and not the other.
So where’s the budget, man? Think of the expenses...food shipped to the “relocation town,” or “resettlement village,” or call it what you will (since it’s fictional anyway, I might as well call it “Unicornville”). Clothes, housing, medical supplies, sanitary facilities, running water, etc. Funny, but there are documents concerning the feeding and medical care of concentration camp inmates, and documents concerning the care and feeding of the Hungarian Jews sent to Auschwitz in ’44. But no documents, not one, concerning almost 2.5 million “evacuees” sent to Unicornville in 1942?
Not one? So the Nazis meticulously kept records of food (literally down to calculating calories, and literally down to Himmler suggesting meals for Hungarian Jewish women) and medical care for the camp inmates, but no documents covering the same concerns for Unicornville and its millions of residents?
Where are records of the shipment of supplies to Unicornville? Where are the records of the deployment of guards? Internal memos and coded transmissions about security concerns or black market trading (which we have for the camps, the General Government ghettoes, and the Ostland ghettoes)?
See, wherever Jews were kept alive, the Nazis kept records. Wherever Jews were kept alive, things like food, medicine, guards, security concerns, and black marketeering concerns were recorded. And no single camp would have had the enormous population of Unicornville.
Yet not a single document for Unicornville exists.
fireofice wrote:Again, if there is no "evidence" they were deported as you say, then they weren't deported. That doesn't prove they were killed. I keep repeating this and yet you continue to make this point as if it means something.
First of all there is lots of evidence that they were deported, that the ghettos were dissolved, and they were sent elsewhere. There is evidence of millions being sent to the Reinhard camps, Chelmno, and Auschwitz, after which the evidence trail disappears. The mainstream explanation is that they were killed. Mattogno Graf and Kues, who I regarded as being the most studied revisionists, are clear that around 2 million were transported into occupied USSR. Posters on this forum have given me a giant question mark. Who knows what happened to these people?
Neither of these answers are satisfactory to me. I'll repeat this again because apparently people think I actually believe this and it is a huge strawman. The lack of evidence or substance from the revisionist side concerning the fate of the resettled Jews is not proof they were killed. Rather this total lack of evidence is a reason not to believe in the revisionist narrative, as vague as it is. If evidence surfaced here, then there would be something to consider.
The resettlement issue also highlights a severe problem with revisionist history. They are not approaching the subject with any sort of objectivity. If they were then they scrutinize their own narrative as well as the mainstream one. They would try to answer in depth about how the millions of resettled Jews were completely silenced (since no witness accounts have surfaced here). They would try to explain why there is no direct documentation for any of it. They would try to explain why it is large amounts of testimony and documentation exist concerning resettlement of a mere 100k Jews in Transnistria. But they haven't done this. They're not serious in my eyes.
