Where are they?

[neugierig]

This was to be in response to BigLarry’s question #1, if 6 million Jews were not killed, where are they? But I see the thread has disappeared, why? We should try to answer questions like that, again and again, patiently, just like the believers keep repeating their stuff over and over, even if those questions are posted by a wolf in cheap, eh, sheep's clothing.
Anyway, here it goes. The question should not be “Where are they” but “How do we know it was 6 million”. That figure was first mentioned in WW I, didn’t work, and then again in February 1945, if memory serves me correctly. How could anyone, in the spring of 1945 in the chaos that was most of Europe, know where anybody was? Further, some camps were just being liberated, bodies were found in railroad cars etc. Raul Hilberg, in his “The Destruction of the European Jews” talk’s about 5.1 million.(If one mentions anything less than 6 million in some countries, it’s of to the poky) As Auschwitz has shown, we have gone from 4 million (and it is assumed that most of them were Jews) killed, to 1.5 million to 1.1 million and now, according to Mejer, to app.. 500 000. Why should I believe any of those numbers, since they are not, for the most part, backed by forensic evidence? Mejer claims he discovered new documents, why aren’t they shown and discussed. What should be established is, how many Jews were under German control. We know app. 1 million left and at least 3.5 million claimed compensation after the war. As well, there are, according to Jewish sources, still a large number, the correct figure escapes me at the moment, alive today, prompting Prof. Finkelstein’s mom to ask ’If there are that many survivors alive today who did the nazis kill?’ A very valid question.
Did Jews die? Of course, there was a very brutal war on, they were transported to camps, forced into slave labour, died of mistreatment, diseases , shot as partisans and killed for other reasons.
So, where are they? A lot of them were probably lost in the turmoil in the last month of the war and after, along with a large number of peoples of all races.

Wilf

[Moderator]

neugierig asks:

This was to be in response to BigLarry’s question #1, if 6 million Jews were not killed, where are they? But I see the thread has disappeared, why?

BigLarry was dodging questions for evidence, he was dodging questions for cogent clarification of his points. BigLarry didn't want to discuss, he wanted to play games, and all info. (not available to members) indicated he was a previously removed poster, who had been booted for the same reasons, using a different name

Thanks, Moderator

[Hannover]

Jews went where Jews are.

Look at Israel.. how many Jews were there before WWII? How many are there now? Jews were literally flooding out of Europe immigrating to Israel, US, Canada, S. America, S. Africa..you name it.

Many Jews certainly died in various armies (like those of all religions), and certainly Allied air raids would have killed many.

In Colliers magazine, June 9th, 1945, Freiling Foster, writing of the Jews in Russia, explained that:

"2,200,000 have migrated to the Soviet Union since 1939....."

The 1931 Jewish population census for Poland put the number of Jews
at 2,732,600 (Reitlinger, Die Endlösung, p. 36). Reitlinger states that
at least 1,170,000 of these were in the Russian zone occupied in the
autumn of 1939, about a million of whom were evacuated to the Urals
and south Siberia after the German invasion of June 1941
(ibid. p. 50)

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p-91_Sanning.html

As early as February 1940, German intelligence had reported the
systematic deportation of the Polish, Ukrainian and Jewish population
from the western Ukraine.13

(13- Aschenauer, Rudolf. Krieg ohne Grenzen, Leoni, 1982, p. 115.)

In June 1940, up to one million Jewish refugees from German-occupied Poland along with many hundreds of thousands of Poles were deported to Siberia. Then, a few weeks before 22 June 1941, mass deportations of the civilian populations along the entire frontier with Germany, Hungary, and Rumania took place. The Soviets, informed by their own spies, Allied intelligence, and German traitors, lost no time in removing those civilians who were most critically needed in the Ural armaments centers.l4

(14 - Sanning, Walter N. The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry, Torrance, Calif.: 1983, 3rd Chapter)

"With the outbreak of war in September the Poles began to loot stores and attack the Jews. ... The Jews were deported by the Germans to the area under Soviet control on the other side of the San river. ... In the summer of 1940 many of them were deported to the Soviet interior."

Encyclopaedia Judaica Vol. II, p.184

Soviet (including annexed territories) Jews:

"Thanks to the evacuation, the majority (80%) of the Jews in the Ukraine, White Russia, Lithuania and Latvia before the arrival of the Germans were rescued." Jewish journalist David Bergelson, Moscow Yiddish paper Ainikeit December 5, 1942

Mattogno/Jürgen quoted in their Treblinka book a Jewish journalist Louis Rapoport from his book La guerra di Stalin contro gli Ebrei, Rizzoli, Mailand 1991:

“Of the approximately one million Polish Jews which were sent to the Ural [by the Communists] as well as to Siberia - The trip lasted four to six weeks under the most horrible conditions - one fifth to one third died, according to a news sheet of the Joint Distribution Committee from the year 1943.”

I've heard Swiss Revisionist Jurgen Graf make this comparison, something like:

'Before the Algeria uprising against the French, there were ca. 1,000,000 Frenchmen in Algeria, when the dust settled there were mere thousands. Does that mean they were murdered?'

- Hannover

[Sailor]

The question should not be “Where are they”[…]

Indeed, where are they!

The air attack on Dresden comes to mind. A number of 500,000 civilians incinerated by US and British bombers during an air raid is being floated around by the far right in Germany.
The official number though is quite a bit less, I believe around 60,000 dead, this number being based on the estimated number of dead buried in mass graves.

Our far right winger of course could say now:

“Then where are the remaining 440,000?”

It seems to me that both numbers, the Holocaust number as well as the right wing number of Dresden are both grossly overstated, probably for propaganda reasons.

“How do we know it was 6 million”

How indeed!

It would be necessary to study the works by historians like Hilberg or Reitlinger, Sanning or Benz et al, and take it from there.

Mejer claims he discovered new documents, why aren’t they shown and discussed.

Fritjof Meyer quoted a statement by Höß from van Pelt’s Irving trial book about the possible maximum daily operation time of the Birkenau crematoriums of 10 hours. After that they had to be shut down for the day according to Höß.
Mattogno however does not agree with the 10 hours only. He believes that the furnaces could be run for 20 hours daily, then they had to be shut down for four hours, 1 ½ hours cooling down, 1 hour cleaning out of the ashes, and 1 ½ hours bringing the furnace back up to temperature.

[Hannover]

Mejer's journal article is examined in 'The Revisionist', issue 1.
I don't have it, but am awaiting the issue. I do know the basics of his thoughts.
see:
www.vho.org ...for a free issue.

In spite of Mejer's minimalist approach to alledged gassings, there is zero evidence to support his assertions. Revisionists have Mejer & the rest of them covered.

As for exaggerations by some about Dresden; well, at least we can say there actually was a deliberate attack upon civilians there, with tens of thousands murdered by the Allies, AND the fact of deliberate mass murder in Dresden's does not defy laws of science, as in the case of the 'holocau$t'. Not to mention every other city in Germany.
That is more than the Believers can honestly say about 'gas chambers' and the silly '6,000,000'...actually 12,000,000 is the alleged grand total...which makes it all doubley absurd.

No mass graves & physical evidence to support the '6,000,000 Jews' & '6,000,000 others', then no 'holocau$t' as alleged.
You just can't hide the remains of 12,000,000 people.

- Hannover