'Why Germany Invaded Poland', by John Wear / 'peaceful Poland' debunked

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Re: 'Why Germany Invaded Poland', by John Wear / 'peaceful Poland' debunked

Postby Otium » 1 year 11 months ago (Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:56 am)

Emainsteen wrote:Hello can anyone help me to provide proof of sources or authentic documents about Hitler's proposal to Poland. Thank you.


The German proposals were fairly consistent and changed very little throughout the October 1938 - August 1939 period.

It's often forgotten, if not totally ignored, that it was actually Poland who first floated to the Germans the prospect of a settlement over Danzig just prior to the signing of the Munich agreement. This offer was taken up by the Germans on October 24th 1938, with the 8 point proposal offered by Ribbentrop to the Polish ambassador Lipski. This fact, by the way, completely contradicts the narrative that some disingenuous actors have tried to promote, that Hitler had "no more territorial demands" to make in Europe. For the problem of Danzig, if not West Prussia, was a well known grievance resulting from Versailles.

Though objectively the German claim on Poland had been considered justified before the ink on the Versailles treaty was even dry [...] it seems doubtful whether Great Britain or France would have guaranteed Poland, had they known that it was the Polish foreign secretary, Colonel Joseph Beck, who had at the height of the Munich crisis initiated bilateral talks with Germany to settle the problem of Danzig and the Corridor and in which, after Germany had let him have the Teschen area of Czechoslovakia, he then refused to make concessions. Beck played his cards skilfully; only after having been offered and having accepted the British and French guarantees did he reveal that the Germans were making actual demands. In itself a diplomatic masterpiece, this had consequences for Poland which were hardly worth the gamble.

H.W. Koch (ed.), Aspects of the Third Reich (Macmillan, 1985), Pp. 192f. Also see: David L. Hoggan, The Forced War: When Peaceful Revision Failed (Institute for Historical Review, 1989), Pp. 144ff; Udo Walendy, Who Started World War II? (Castle Hill Publishers, 2014), Pp. 223; Simon Newman, March 1939: The British Guarantee to Poland (Oxford University Press, 1976), Pp. 157-58; Stefan Scheil, Ribbentrop: Oder Die Verlockung des nationalen Aufbruchs: Eine politische Biographie (Berlin: Duncker & Humbolt, 2013), Pp. 213.


The Poles therefore initiated the talks over Danzig, and they were even the first and last, to make the threat of war before the Germans took the initiative to right the wrongs of Versailles and restore Greater Germany.

As previously mentioned, the first German offer was presented to the Polish Ambassador by Ribbentrop on October 24, 1938:

Ribbentrop broached the German proposals in an interview with Lipski on 24 October 1938:

    1. The Free State of Danzig would revert to the German Reich.

    2. An extra-territorial Reichsautobahn belonging to Germany and likewise an extra-territorial, multiple-track railroad would be laid through the Corridor.

    3. Similarly, Poland would receive in the Danzig area an extra-territorial road or Autobahn, a railroad, and a free port.

    4· Poland would receive a guarantee of a market for her goods in the Danzig area.

    5. The two nations would recognize their common boundaries (guarantee) or each other's territories.

    6. The German-Polish treaty would be extended 10 to 25 years.

    7. Poland would accede to the Anti-Comintem Pact.

    8. The two countries would add a consultation clause to their treaty.

Newman, op cit., p. 158.


The Poles had no intention of accepting this moderate German offer, which remained the basis for attempted negotiations on the part of Germany until war broke out. The sinister political maneuver that resulted from this initial German attempt at good-will was for Beck to tell the British that the Germans, specifically Ribbentrop, had made such an offer without Hitler's authority and never handed any such proposals over to him. This was a bald faced lie, Beck himself had had meetings with Hitler in January 1939:

These points were presented to Ambassador Josef Lipski by Ribbentrop and later handed over in writing together with the recording of the conversation. This last statement is important, because it was exactly this that the Polish government in the following months steadfastly denied to the entire Western world, even when Great Britain had already given its promises of guarantee. Josef Beck told Neville Chamberlain on April 4, 1939, that written German demands for a road to East Prussia had never been handed over. He could at most imagine that Herr von Ribbentrop had such ideas, but probably without the approval of his boss, he faithfully assured him. Such forms of disinformation were part and parcel of political debate, but Beck used them to such an unusual extent that in the end no one wanted to work with him anymore.

Scheil, op cit., p. 212.


Naughty naughty! The Poles seem to have a habit of digging their own grave and blaming others for it.
Hitler and von Ribbentrop on 24 October and 19 November 1938, on 5, 25, and 26 January 1939, and finally on March 21 and on 28 April ask the Polish government at first only indirectly and then directly and later pressingly to resolve and settle by way of negotiation the still open problem about Danzig and the extraterritorial transit connections through the Corridor.

George F. Held (trans.), Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof, 1939 - The War that Had Many Fathers (Munich: Olzog-Verlag, 2011), Pp. 512.


After these above mentioned dates, there was basically no diplomatic contact between Germany and Poland over the Danzig question until August. Every single time Germany offered a reasonable solution, Poland shot them down and wouldn't budge. The only realistic option Hitler was left with after that, was to try and find a military solution to the problem. But even then, he by no means fully resigned himself to that outcome (Rhonhof, 1939, p. 522f.), even though I think he would've preferred it, simply because he didn't want to waste any time bartering over stolen goods that should be returned to her rightful owner. This is beyond reproach, regardless of the methods.

Nonetheless, the German offers remained remarkably consistent, and only changed slightly after the Soviet Union became more involved in the unfolding affairs:

The German demands on Poland went little beyond those already known - return of Danzig and the corridor after a plebiscite, but rejection of international guarantees without consultation with the Soviet Union.

Karlheinz Weißmann, Der Weg in den Abgrund: Deutschland unter Hitler 1933 bis 1945 (Herbig, 1997), Pp. 319.


For example, on March 21, 1939 Ribbentrop had reiterated to Lipski the German proposals from October and made no new adjustments:

Ribbentrop repeated to Lipski the terms of the October 24, 1938, offer to Poland. He reminded the Polish diplomat that Germany had no desire to change the terms of that offer. He discussed the advantages of an agreement, and he repeated that Germany was requesting only the political union of National Socialist Danzig with National Socialist Germany, and the transit connection with East Prussia.

Hoggan, op cit., p. 315.


Germany could've asked for more than Danzig, yet she never did. For example, Germany had a moral claim to all of West Prussia, yet at no point did she demand the reincorporation of West Prussia into the Reich. Only Danzig. Hitler however, did offer a plebiscite in the region of Pomerelia, which the Poles rejected. That the Poles would later complain about the loss of their own autonomy is rather ironic in light of all this:

In 1938 and 1939 the dispute between Germany and Poland over the northern part of Pomerelia-West Prussia comes to a head at the same time as the dispute over Danzig. In 1938 the German Reich initially asks only for safe extraterritorial traffic routes through the northern part of Pomerelia, through the so-called Corridor. When Poland does not grant that, Germany calls for a plebiscite in the disputed region. It is worth noting that Germany, up to the outbreak of war, never once asks Poland to return the whole of West Prussia.

Rhonhof, op cit., p. 445.


Anyway, best not to rattle on. Search the forum for Hitler's 16 points, which was the final, most generous offer Hitler proposed to the Poles which they rejected just before the war broke out.

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Re: 'Why Germany Invaded Poland', by John Wear / 'peaceful Poland' debunked

Postby Mortimer » 1 year 4 months ago (Mon Jan 10, 2022 4:56 am)

The latest from John Wear on the Polish-German dispute in 1939. He details that neutral sources backed the claim that Germans living in Poland were being subjected to mistreatment and in some cases being killed.
http://www.wearswar.com/2022/01/07/ethn ... ed-poland/
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Re: 'Why Germany Invaded Poland', by John Wear / 'peaceful Poland' debunked

Postby Otium » 1 year 4 months ago (Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:05 am)

Mortimer wrote:The latest from John Wear on the Polish-German dispute in 1939. He details that neutral sources backed the claim that Germans living in Poland were being subjected to mistreatment and in some cases being killed.
http://www.wearswar.com/2022/01/07/ethn ... ed-poland/


Disappointing that he's still citing the rubbish article by Marc Roland. And the amount of times he cites Hoggan in his articles makes one think you ought to avoid Wear altogether.

It's disappointing in my opinion, that Wear doesn't try harder to do more research on these things. Although having said that it's still better than what many other people do, which unfortunately isn't a good thing either.

I'm curious about his citation of the "Daily Mail" article which supposedly contains that infamous quote by Rydz-Smigly that I already traced the most likely source of in another post. I searched various Newspaper archives and no such article exists from what I've seen. I'm 99% sure it doesn't exist, and Wear just committed source plagiarism/falsification by not verifying the source before citing it and probably citing a source that actually doesn't exist.

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Neutral Sources Document Why Germany Invaded Poland

Postby Lamprecht » 8 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Sep 11, 2022 6:49 pm)

Wear shows again that Germany's invasion of Poland was a response to the actions of Poland against the German minority, rather than for "Lebensraum" or expansionism.

Neutral Sources Document Why Germany Invaded Poland
https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/14/3/8199 | https://codoh.com/library/document/neut ... -polan/en/
Neutral Sources Document Why Germany Invaded Poland
John Wear

Most historians state that Germany’s invasion of Poland was an unprovoked act of aggression designed to create Lebensraum and eventually take control of Europe. According to conventional historians, Adolf Hitler hated the Polish people and wanted to destroy them as his first step on the road to world conquest.[1]

British historian Andrew Roberts, for example, writes:[2]

“The Polish Corridor, which had been intended by the framers of the Versailles Treaty of 1919 to cut off East Prussia from the rest of Germany, had long been presented as a casus belli by the Nazis, as had the ethnically German Baltic port of Danzig, but, as Hitler had told a conference of generals in May 1939, 'Danzig is not the real issue. The real point is for us to open up our Lebensraum to the east and ensure our supplies of foodstuffs.”'

British historian Richard J. Evans writes:[3]

“In 1934, when Hitler had concluded a 10-year non-aggression pact with the Poles, it had seemed possible that Poland might become a satellite state in a future European order dominated by Germany. But, by 1939, it had become a serious obstacle to the eastward expansion of the Third Reich. It therefore had to be wiped from the map, and ruthlessly exploited to finance preparations for the coming war in the west.”

This article uses non-German sources to document that, contrary to what most historians claim, Germany’s invasion of Poland was provoked by the Polish government’s acts of violence against its ethnic German minority.

Historical Background
Polish Foreign Minister Józef Beck accepted an offer from Great Britain on March 30, 1939, that gave an unconditional unilateral guarantee of Poland’s independence. The British Empire agreed to go to war as an ally of Poland if the Poles decided that war was necessary. In words drafted by British Foreign Secretary Lord Halifax, Neville Chamberlain spoke in the House of Commons on March 31, 1939, declaring:[4]

“I now have to inform the House… that, in the event of any action which clearly threatened Polish independence and which the Polish government accordingly considered it vital to resist with their national forces, His Majesty’s Government would feel themselves bound at once to lend the Polish government all support in their power. They have given the Polish government an assurance to that effect.”

Great Britain’s unprecedented “blank check” to Poland led to increasing violence against the German minority in Poland. The book Polish Acts of Atrocity against the German Minority in Poland answers the question why the Polish government allowed such atrocities to happen:[5]

“The guarantee of assistance given Poland by the British government was the agent which lent impetus to Britain’s policy of encirclement. It was designed to exploit the problem of Danzig and the Corridor to begin a war, desired and long-prepared by England, for the annihilation of Greater Germany. In Warsaw, moderation was no longer considered necessary, and the opinion held was that matters could be safely brought to a head. England was backing this diabolical game, having guaranteed the 'integrity' of the Polish state. The British assurance of assistance meant that Poland was to be the battering ram of Germany’s enemies. Henceforth, Poland neglected no form of provocation of Germany and, in its blindness, dreamt of 'victorious battle at Berlin’s gates.' Had it not been for the encouragement of the English war clique, which was stiffening Poland’s attitude toward the Reich and whose promises led Warsaw to feel safe, the Polish government would hardly have let matters develop to the point where Polish soldiers and civilians would eventually interpret the slogan to extirpate all German influence as an incitement to the murder and bestial mutilation of human beings.”

Most of the outside world dismissed this book as nothing more than Nazi propaganda used to justify Hitler’s invasion of Poland. However, as we will see in this article, the violence against Poland’s ethnic Germans that led to Hitler’s invasion of Poland has been well-documented by numerous non-German sources.

American Sources
American historian David Hoggan wrote that German-Polish relationships became strained by the increasing harshness with which the Polish authorities handled its German minority. More than 1 million ethnic Germans resided in Poland, and these Germans were the principal victims of the German-Polish crisis in the coming weeks. The Germans in Poland were subjected to increasing doses of violence from the dominant Poles. Ultimately, many thousands of Germans in Poland paid for this crisis with their lives. They were among the first victims of Britain’s war policy against Germany.[6]

On August 14, 1939, the Polish authorities in East Upper Silesia launched a campaign of mass arrests against the German minority. The Poles then proceeded to close and confiscate the remaining German businesses, clubs and welfare installations. The arrested Germans were forced to march toward the interior of Poland in prisoner columns. The various German groups in Poland were frantic by this time, and they feared that the Poles would attempt the total extermination of the German minority in the event of war. Thousands of Germans were seeking to escape arrest by crossing the border into Germany. Some of the worst recent Polish atrocities included the mutilation of several Germans. The Poles were warned not to regard their German minority as helpless hostages who could be butchered with impunity.[7]

William Lindsay White, an American journalist, recalled that there was no doubt among well-informed people that, by August 1939, horrible atrocities were being inflicted every day on the ethnic German minority of Poland. White said that a letter from the Polish government claiming that no persecution of the Germans in Poland was taking place had about as much validity as the civil liberties guaranteed by the 1936 constitution of the Soviet Union.[8]

Donald Day, a well-known Chicago Tribune correspondent, reported on the atrocious treatment the Poles had meted out to the ethnic Germans in Poland:[9]

“I traveled up to the Polish Corridor where the German authorities permitted me to interview the German refugees from many Polish cities and towns. The story was the same. Mass arrests and long marches along roads toward the interior of Poland. The railroads were crowded with troop movements. Those who fell by the wayside were shot. The Polish authorities seemed to have gone mad. I have been questioning people all my life, and I think I know how to make deductions from the exaggerated stories told by people who have passed through harrowing personal experiences. But even with generous allowance, the situation was plenty bad. To me the war seemed only a question of hours.”

Hoggan wrote that the leaders of the German minority in Poland repeatedly appealed to the Polish government for mercy during this period, but to no avail. More than 80,000 German refugees had been forced to leave Poland by August 20, 1939, and virtually all other ethnic Germans in Poland were clamoring to leave to escape Polish atrocities.[10]

British Ambassador Nevile Henderson in Berlin was concentrating on obtaining recognition from Halifax of the cruel fate of the German minority in Poland. Henderson emphatically warned Halifax on August 24, 1939, that German complaints about the treatment of the German minority in Poland were fully supported by the facts. Henderson knew that the Germans were prepared to negotiate, and he stated to Halifax that war between Poland and Germany was inevitable unless negotiations were resumed between the two countries. Henderson pleaded with Halifax that it would be contrary to Polish interests to attempt a full military occupation of Danzig, and he added a scathingly effective denunciation of Polish policy. What Henderson failed to realize is that Halifax was pursuing war for its own sake as an instrument of policy. Halifax desired the complete destruction of Germany.[11]

On August 25, 1939, Ambassador Henderson reported to Halifax the latest Polish atrocity at Bielitz, Upper Silesia. Henderson never relied on official German statements concerning these incidents, but instead based his reports on information he had received from neutral sources. The Poles continued to forcibly deport the Germans of that area, and compelled them to march into the interior of Poland. Eight Germans were murdered and many more were injured during one of these actions. Henderson deplored the failure of the British government to exercise restraint over the Polish authorities.[12]

Hoggan wrote that Hitler was faced with a terrible dilemma. If Hitler did nothing, the Germans of Poland and Danzig would be abandoned to the cruelty and violence of a hostile Poland. If Hitler took effective action against the Poles, the British and French might declare war against Germany. Henderson feared that the Bielitz atrocity would be the final straw to prompt Hitler to invade Poland. Henderson, who strongly desired peace with Germany, deplored the failure of the British government to exercise restraint over the Polish authorities.[13]

Hitler invaded Poland to end the atrocities against the German minority in Poland. American historian Harry Elmer Barnes agreed with Hoggan’s analysis. Barnes wrote:[14]

“The primary responsibility for the outbreak of the German-Polish War was that of Poland and Britain, while for the transformation of the German-Polish conflict into a European War, Britain, guided by Halifax, was almost exclusively responsible.”

Barnes further stated:[15]

“It has now been irrefutably established on a documentary basis that Hitler was no more responsible for war in 1939 than the Kaiser was in 1914, if indeed as responsible...Hitler’s responsibility in 1939 was far less than that of Beck in Poland, Halifax in England, or even Daladier in France.”

Other Sources
Dutch historian Louis de Jong wrote that on March 25, 1939, windows were smashed in the houses of many ethnic Germans in Posen and Kraków, and in those of the German embassy in Warsaw. German agricultural co-operatives in Poland were later dissolved and many German schools were closed down, while ethnic Germans who were active in the cultural sphere were taken into custody. Around the middle of May 1939, in one small town where 3,000 ethnic Germans lived, many household effects in houses and shops were smashed to bits. The remaining German clubs were closed in the middle of June.[16]

De Jong wrote that, by mid-August 1939, the Poles proceeded to arrest hundreds of ethnic Germans. German printing shops and trade union offices were closed, and numerous house-to-house searches took place. Eight ethnic Germans who had been arrested in Upper Silesia were shot to death on August 24 during their transport to an internment camp.[17]

On August 7, 1939, the Polish censors permitted the newspaper Illustrowany Kuryer Codzienny in Kraków to feature an article of unprecedented recklessness. The article stated that Polish units were constantly crossing the German frontier to destroy German military installations, and to carry confiscated German military equipment into Poland. The Polish government allowed this newspaper, with one of the largest circulations in Poland, to tell the world that Poland was instigating a series of violations of her frontier with Germany.[18] The Polish newspaper Kurier Polski also declared in banner headlines that “Germany Must Be Destroyed!”, while negotiations with Hitler were still in progress during August 1939.[19]

Polish Ambassador to America Jerzy Potocki unsuccessfully attempted to persuade Polish Foreign Minister Józef Beck to seek an agreement with Germany. Potocki later succinctly explained the situation in Poland by stating “Poland prefers Danzig to peace.”[20] Polish armed forces Commander-in-Chief Edward Rydz-Smigly also declared that Poland was prepared to fight even without allies if Germany touched Danzig. Rydz-Smigly declared that every Polish man and woman of whatever age would be a soldier in the event of war.[21]

British Royal Navy Capt. Russell Grenfell was highly critical of Britain’s unilateral unconditional guarantee of Poland’s independence. He said that, in general, special territorial guarantees were a means by which a great Power could turn its challengers into world criminals. Grenfell wrote:[22]

“This would have worked out very awkwardly for Britain in the days when she was the challenging power; as, for example, against Spain in the 16th century, Holland in the 17th, and Spain and France in the 18th.”

Grenfell was also critical of Britain’s guarantee of Poland’s independence because a guarantee is itself a challenge. He wrote that a guarantee “publicly dares a rival to ignore the guarantee and take the consequences; after which it is hardly possible for that rival to endeavor to seek a peaceful solution of its dispute with the guaranteed country without appearing to be submitting to blackmail.” Grenfell said that a guarantee may therefore act as an incitement to the very major conflict which it is presumably meant to prevent.[23] This is exactly what happened in the case of Britain’s guarantee of Poland’s independence.

Aftermath of Invasion
The Germans in Poland continued to experience an atmosphere of terror in the early part of September 1939. Throughout the country the Germans had been told, “If war comes to Poland, you will all be hanged.” This prophecy was later fulfilled in many cases.[24]

The famous bloody Sunday incident in Toruń on September 3, 1939, was accompanied by similar massacres elsewhere in Poland. These massacres brought a tragic end to the long suffering of many ethnic Germans. This catastrophe had been anticipated by the Germans before the outbreak of war, as reflected by the flight, or attempted escape, of large numbers of Germans from Poland. The feelings of these Germans were revealed by the desperate slogan, “Away from this hell, and back to the Reich!”[25]

Jewish-American historian Dr. Alfred-Maurice de Zayas writes concerning the ethnic Germans in Poland:[26]

“The first victims of the war were Volksdeutsche, ethnic German civilians, resident in and citizens of Poland. Using lists prepared years earlier, in part by lower administrative offices, Poland immediately deported 15,000 Germans to Eastern Poland. Fear and rage at the quick German victories led to hysteria. German 'spies' were seen everywhere, suspected of forming a fifth column. More than 5,000 German civilians were murdered in the first days of the war. They were hostages and scapegoats at the same time. Gruesome scenes were played out in Bromberg on September 3, as well as in several other places throughout the province of Posen, in Pommerellen, wherever German minorities resided.”

Hitler had planned to offer to restore sovereignty to the Czech state and to western Poland as part of a peace proposal with Great Britain and France. German Minister of Foreign Affairs Joachim von Ribbentrop informed Soviet leaders Josef Stalin and Vyacheslav Molotov of Hitler’s intention in a note on September 15, 1939. Stalin and Molotov, however, sought to stifle any action that might bring Germany and the Allies to the conference table. They told Ribbentrop that they did not approve of the resurrection of the Polish state. Aware of Germany’s dependency on Soviet trade, Hitler abandoned his plan to reestablish Polish statehood.[27]

Conclusion
Hitler’s invasion of Poland was forced by the Polish government’s intolerable treatment of its German population. No other national leader would have allowed his fellow countrymen to similarly suffer and die just across the border in a neighboring country.[28] Germany did not invade Poland for Lebensraum or any other malicious reason.

However, even British leaders who had worked for peace later claimed that Hitler was solely responsible for starting World War II. British Ambassador Nevile Henderson, for example, said that the entire responsibility for starting the war was Hitler’s. Henderson wrote in his memoirs in 1940:[29]

“If Hitler wanted peace, he knew how to insure it; if he wanted war, he knew equally well what would bring it about. The choice lay with him, and in the end the entire responsibility for war was his.”

Henderson forgot in this passage that he had repeatedly warned Halifax that the Polish atrocities against the German minority in Poland were extreme. Hitler invaded Poland in order to end these atrocities.

A version of this article was originally published in the May/June 2022 issue of The Barnes Review.
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NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: 'Why Germany Invaded Poland', by John Wear / 'peaceful Poland' debunked

Postby knowthetruth » 8 months 3 weeks ago (Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:01 pm)

Poland was never peaceful since its creation...

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Re: 'Why Germany Invaded Poland', by John Wear / 'peaceful Poland' debunked

Postby Eduardo » 8 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:53 am)

Recently I red in a Russian forum that, after Riga treaty in 1921, Belarus was divided and a part went to Poland. This forbid language, close schools, etc. i have no info concerning this but it fits quite well with the hypernationalistic profile of that Poland. Does anybody have any information?


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