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Re: How true are these storries?`

Postby forasanerworld » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:22 pm)

Waldgänger wrote:
Archie wrote:It seems here they are conflating Grese and Ilse Koch which is rather pathetic for a purported “history” channel, since it means they aren't even familiar with the original testimonies but are just repeating mixed up stories from secondary sources.


One of the reasons I am amenable to Holocaust revisionism was my academic training in historical & literary criticism. Learning about the multiplicity of sources in the early history of the New Testament prepared me thoroughly for this. This modus operandi seems to be a feature of Jewish historiography, whether it's collecting Old Testament myths into a united Temple-Kingship narrative, mashing Christian legends together to make the proto-orthodox Jesus of the Gospels, or turning the Shoah into a confused bolus of all sorts of ills & evils lumped together.


"This modus operandi seems to be a feature of Jewish historiography,"

In the early days of my discovering this whole topic, after sixty five years of blissful ignorance, one thing I wanted to discover was precisely that, the role and nature of Jewish storytelling. I found a proffessorial paper from a univerity in Israel of the 1970/80s approx which talked of the role of the Chronicler; in our rational state, we put up a hypothesis and test it against the facts, if the later does not support the former, the hypothesis fails, not so with the Chronicler, Under that system the hypothesis IS the known thing and the Chronicler's job is then to reinterpret, distort, omit, or maybe just lie about what is and what has passed. The other thing is the overbearing tendency for either exaggeration or diminution. A good example are the writings of a Lithuanian Rabbi Oshry on Chabad, in one of his writings he tells of people smuggling in flour to make passover bread, "only sufficient for a tiny acorn sized piece" of course which mystically took hours and hours to cook, presumably over a candle!, To wrap it off, the good Rabbi buries all of his stories "on tiny scaps of paper" and buries them in a tin, DECADES later and after a sojurn in first Italy and then the US he returns to Lithuania and, you gussed it goes to the exact spot and magically finds that tin, an image that reminds me of the golfer who sees his ball in the rough but drops another down his trouser leg right on the edge of the fairway, I think it's a complusive habit.

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Re: How true are these storries?`

Postby Hektor » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:33 am)

forasanerworld wrote:
Waldgänger wrote:
Archie wrote:It seems here they are conflating Grese and Ilse Koch which is rather pathetic for a purported “history” channel, since it means they aren't even familiar with the original testimonies but are just repeating mixed up stories from secondary sources.


One of the reasons I am amenable to Holocaust revisionism was my academic training in historical & literary criticism. Learning about the multiplicity of sources in the early history of the New Testament prepared me thoroughly for this. This modus operandi seems to be a feature of Jewish historiography, whether it's collecting Old Testament myths into a united Temple-Kingship narrative, mashing Christian legends together to make the proto-orthodox Jesus of the Gospels, or turning the Shoah into a confused bolus of all sorts of ills & evils lumped together.


"This modus operandi seems to be a feature of Jewish historiography,"

In the early days of my discovering this whole topic, after sixty five years of blissful ignorance, one thing I wanted to discover was precisely that, the role and nature of Jewish storytelling. I found a proffessorial paper from a univerity in Israel of the 1970/80s approx which talked of the role of the Chronicler; in our rational state, we put up a hypothesis and test it against the facts, if the later does not support the former, the hypothesis fails, not so with the Chronicler, Under that system the hypothesis IS the known thing and the Chronicler's job is then to reinterpret, distort, omit, or maybe just lie about what is and what has passed. ....



There is indeed people that are prone to storytelling. They like to make up stories or embellish existing ones. It's not everybody's talent, though. Which is why most folks tend to believe stories that are told repetitively and confirm a bias. Among Jews story-tellers seem to be more prevalent. If you look at Jewish/Judaists texts and interpretation there is commonly more creative license in them. But there is commonly issues with those texts as well... That you can find after some analysis. Just don't be too pedantic there. Because with pedantry, you can find problems with anything.


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