Red Cross Admission

[Elroy]

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/19/us/re ... e-war.html

The Red Cross claims it "knew" about the genocide according to this article during the war.

They claim they have 25,000 documents revealing that

They claim that the reason that they didn't say anything at the time was because they "felt powerless to do anything about it"

70 years later with the myth academically collapsed and revisionism on the rise- suddenly there's an admission? not believable and how convenient. Not 10 years later or anything. And why would they make an admission now after all this time- why not leave it? Not believable either.

25,000 documents- a figure that is supposed to convey a sense of overwhelming evidence. How could 25,000 documents be overlooked?

How could no Red Cross employee during the war or any Red Cross person who knew at the time or knew of any of these "documents" not have leaked it all this time or at the time?

Where are these documents? What do they say? Is it properly represented? Are they authentic? No Holocaust document has ever survived this test yet and most times they either don't exist or say what they are said to at all.

Red Cross- an international humanitarian organisation decided all the time with Germany being annihilated not to reveal a genocide? And then post war all comply to say they knew nothing about it at all?

Anybody else want to weigh in with their thoughts on this absurd shill. I just had a Holocaust enforcement scout prosecuting the most absurd shill job trying to pass this as credible. Unbelievable.

[Hannover]

Ah yes, those Arolsen Red Cross 'documents', which of course are available to 'APPROVED RESEARCHERS ONLY'.

Not a single one of which has ever been shown to support the 'holocaust' storyline, not one.

Search Arolsen at this forum for much more.

Happy New year!

- Hannover

- If Jews are so sure that millions of Jews were murdered, then why do they ask such dumb questions like "what happened to them?"

- If there was ‘a plan to kill every Jew the Germans could get their hands on’ then why are there countless numbers of so called “survivor$"?

- If the alleged ‘holocaust’ was fact, then why are there laws in Europe to prevent scrutiny of it? What kind of “truth” needs to imprison people to prevent free speech?

[borjastick]

Notice how, every time, they talk about the proof which they have, it's always on an epic scale. In fact the holocaust is always described on an epic scale; 'the most documented event in history', six million murdered on an industrial scale, 25,000 documents, millions of jews at risk pre-war, 'a land without people for a people without land'.

And so on, it never stops and is easy comfort food for those who believe any trip they are fed and those who are intellectually paralysed and who simply will not question what is obviously fake. But the balloon is pricked every time here and on similar discussions when we ask for proof, for access to these smoking gun written proofs and access to this claimed definitive proof. It never comes, ever.

Why would that be the case then?

[FJI]

I thought the Red Cross produced documents in 1945 stating approximately 275,000 deaths had occurred during the war in the German labour camps?

[borjastick]

I thought the Red Cross produced documents in 1945 stating approximately 275,000 deaths had occurred during the war in the German labour camps?

They did, see below. I think there were two reports like this one,

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done at different times and the numbers went up slightly.

Also have a look at this viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7605 where we see that more Catholics than jews died at Auschwitz.

[ginger]

Arthur Butz, in "Hoax of the Twentieth Century", devotes a chapter to the outrageous, but official, claim that over 300,000 Hungarian Jews were murdered at Auschwitz in 60 days in the summer of 1944. He publishes parts of the Red Cross reports, which were made while this event was supposedly taking place. The reports say nothing of the mass transport of Jews to Auschwitz, although they describe persecution of people in that region at that time.

I am comfortable with the integrity of the the Red Cross and accept their reports as an accurate reflection of the situation. I definitely accept the analysis of Arthur Butz, who demonstrates intelligence and objectivity in everything he writes.

[Kingfisher]

Ginger:
Other revisionists have disputed Butz on the Hungarian deportations. I think they include Graf, but a little searching should provide sources, including, I think, on this forum.

One thing which is not disputed yet which is quietly ignored by the mainstream, is that the majority of Budapest Jews were not deported.

[Spatton]

I thought the Red Cross produced documents in 1945 stating approximately 275,000 deaths had occurred during the war in the German labour camps?

They did, see below. I think there were two reports like this one,arols2.jpg done at different times and the numbers went up slightly.

Also have a look at this viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7605 where we see that more Catholics than jews died at Auschwitz.

Supposedly a later director of the red cross claims these are fake. I don't have the letter in which this is claimed at hand, I'll look for it later.

[ginger]

Kingfisher - thanks for your comment. I have read some of the disputes with Arthur Butz about the transports of the Hungarian Jews - Mattogno believes this huge transport took place because of certain records of train transports - and Arthur Butz questions the political connections of the recordkeepers. But the records are numbers on a page. Arthur Butz does a solid analysis of the situation and he has Red Cross reports from 1944 to support him. It is the integrity of these two sources, plus the physical impossibility of transporting and killing over 400,000 people in such a short time, that impresses me.

[borjastick]

Kingfisher - thanks for your comment. I have read some of the disputes with Arthur Butz about the transports of the Hungarian Jews - Mattogno believes this huge transport took place because of certain records of train transports - and Arthur Butz questions the political connections of the recordkeepers. But the records are numbers on a page. Arthur Butz does a solid analysis of the situation and he has Red Cross reports from 1944 to support him. It is the integrity of these two sources, plus the physical impossibility of transporting and killing over 400,000 people in such a short time, that impresses me.

And don't forget this little beauty -

Now, what is interesting are the two authors’ contrasting observations regarding the Jews said to be remaining in Hungary after the war. Whereas Benz suggests a total of 300,000 for Greater Hungary, Sanning cites that some 300,000 Jews were left after the war in Central (Trianon) Hungary alone. He bases his claim on, first, the US War Refugee Board’s Final Summary Report, which states that more than 200,000 Jews from Budapest were exempted from deportations following negotiations with the SS (S143). Second, in its aforementioned report the International Red Cross stated that some 100,000 Jews poured into Budapest from the provinces.[48] Furthermore, 200,000 Jews had been counted in Trianon Hungary in 1946, while according to Reitlinger one can assume that by then a veritable mass exodus of Jews to the West had begun (S143). One must also consider, he says, that no doubt a great many foreign, mostly Polish Jews were included in this migration. Sanning thus cites 200,000 as the minimum number of Jews present in post-war Trianon Hungary. For Benz, the number of survivors derives almost exclusively from the number of Jews present before the war, minus the decreases estimated as above, minus the actual or supposed deportations to concentration camps, i.e., (according to Nuremberg documents) to forced labor camps. Absolutely no other sources are used.

Part of the very excellent Germar Rudolf essay https://codoh.com/library/document/930/?lang=en Holocaust victims - A Statistical Analysis. Well worth an hour of your time. In this superb piece he destroys the Hungarian 400,000 nonsense, showing for good that the calculation of victims was very much along the lines of 'there before the war, not there after the war = holocausted to death as part of the six million'.

And we trust these people with our money! No wonder they produce a Bernie Madoff every so often, they are so creative with their arithmetic...