aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz fraud

Read and post various viewpoints or search our large archives.

Moderator: Moderator

Forum rules
Be sure to read the Rules/guidelines before you post!
User avatar
Hannover
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 10395
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:53 pm

aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz fraud

Postby Hannover » 8 years 1 month ago (Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:03 am)

As we have seen here:
Oskar Groning - 'I saw the gas chambers...'
Oskar Groening supposedly claimed to have 'witnessed the gas chambers'.

As pointed out in that thread there are numerous facts which expose that story as fraudulent.
Not mentioned are the detailed Allied aerial photos taken of Auschwitz and photos the Germans took at ground level.

Now, see the threads below for a devastating debunking of the bogus Auschwitz 'gas chambers'.

No holes / openings in ceiling as alleged for dumping in Zyklon-B (cyanide carrying product allegedly used)
So where are the 'holes & little chimneys' for Zyklon-B ??
ex.:
Image

This thread even shows blunders in attempting to forge / draw in 'Jews on the way to the gas chambers', these drawn in 'Jews' were actually placed on a rooftop.
aerial photos / the end of the 'holocaust' scam, very simple
ex.:
Image

This is too easy.

- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

User avatar
TheBlackRabbitofInlé
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 834
Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:38 am

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 8 years 1 month ago (Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:21 pm)

Hannover wrote:This thread even shows blunders in attempting to forge / draw in 'Jews on the way to the gas chambers', these drawn in 'Jews' were actually placed on a rooftop.
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8640
ex.:
Image

This is too easy.


The "drawn in Jews" not only feature in the August 25, 1944, photo Brugioni and Poirer discovered in the NARA Maryland during 1978, but are visible in two different photos (of the same date) in the declassified collection of the Allied Central Interpretation Unit in the UK. These photographs were released to the public (via the Internet) in 2004, but had been available to scholars at Keele University since the early 1960s (although it appears that no one brought public attention to them until 2004).
http://ncap.org.uk/about-ncap/aciu
http://web.archive.org/web/20040126054333/http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040117/ap_on_re_eu/britain_wwii_photos

Image
http://ncap.org.uk/frame/6-1-8-5-387?se ... e-text=yes

Image
http://ncap.org.uk/frame/6-1-8-5-388?se ... e-text=yes

Both sets of the August 25th photos were taken by the 60th (Photoreconnaissance Squadron), South African Air Force, operating from Foggia Airfield Complex in Italy.

Why there are two different sets of aerial photos of Birkenau taken by the 60th Squadron on August 25 just seconds apart (Brugioni and Poirer claim these nine blobs are "Groups of prisoners ... standing formation"), and why one set ended up in the UK and the other in the US, is unknown to me. But the claim that these blobs—whatever they are—were drawn on by the CIA in the 1970s, is untenable.
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
- Prof. Noah Charney

User avatar
Hektor
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 5168
Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:59 am

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby Hektor » 8 years 1 month ago (Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:38 pm)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:....
Image
http://ncap.org.uk/frame/6-1-8-5-388?se ... e-text=yes

Both sets of the August 25th photos were taken by the 60th (Photoreconnaissance Squadron), South African Air Force, operating from Foggia Airfield Complex in Italy.

Why there are two different sets of aerial photos of Birkenau taken by the 60th Squadron on August 25 just seconds apart (Brugioni and Poirer claim these nine blobs are "Groups of prisoners ... standing formation"), and why one set ended up in the UK and the other in the US, is unknown to me. But the claim that these blobs—whatever they are—were drawn on by the CIA in the 1970s, is untenable.
... The higher resolution also reveals that these aren't prisoners as well.
I'd love to see a similarly high resolution of are square 7/9 given a 3x3 subdivision of for instance this picture:
Image
http://ncap.org.uk/frame/6-1-8-5-388?se ... /brzezinka

Meaning the famous Krema II and Krema III

User avatar
Hannover
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 10395
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:53 pm

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby Hannover » 8 years 1 month ago (Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:33 pm)

Thanks for posting some historical background, BlackRabbit.

John Ball seems to be the one who initially brought the photos to the public's attention via his website and his book, 'Air Photo Evidence', copyrighted 1992:

Image

for more see:
John Ball's 'Air Photo Evidence' available again
and:
http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html
'Air Photo Evidence', by John Clive Ball

BlackRabbit said:
But the claim that these blobs—whatever they are—were drawn on by the CIA in the 1970s, is untenable.

Of course I never said the Jew blobs were drawn in by the CIA, but clearly someone has been fooling around. Enlarged they look more like fuzzy caterpillars.
The same is true for the tampered-with, drawn in Zyklon-B 'holes' that someone added to the Auschwitz crematorium in hopes of fooling the uninitiated.
see:
Altered Aerial Photos and the Shadows of Doom
and John Ball's book archived at:
https://archive.org/details/AirPhotoEvidenceAuschwitz

- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

User avatar
TheBlackRabbitofInlé
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 834
Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:38 am

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 8 years 1 month ago (Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:26 pm)

Hannover wrote:Thanks for posting some historical background, BlackRabbit.


No problem.

Hannover wrote:John Ball seems to be the one who initially brought the photos to the public's attention via his website and his book, 'Air Photo Evidence', copyrighted 1992:

Image

for more see:
John Ball's 'Air Photo Evidence' available again
and:
http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html
'Air Photo Evidence', by John Clive Ball


He's was the first revisionist to analyse aerial photos to my knowledge, but Brugioni and Poirer published their paper "The Holocaust Revisited: A Retrospective Analysis of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Extermination Complex" in February 1979.
http://cryptome.org/0003/cia-auschwitz.pdf

But neither Brugioni/Poirer, nor John Ball, offered an analysis of the photos in the British ACIU collection at Keele Uni., because no one was was aware of their existence until the 21st century.

Hannover wrote:BlackRabbit said:
But the claim that these blobs—whatever they are—were drawn on by the CIA in the 1970s, is untenable.

Of course I never said the Jew blobs were drawn in by the CIA, but clearly someone has been fooling around. Enlarged they look more like fuzzy caterpillars.
The same is true for the tampered-with, drawn in Zyklon-B 'holes' that someone added to the Auschwitz crematorium in hopes of fooling the uninitiated.



I don't have a complete list of the photos in which the alleged Zyklon B introduction chimneys appears, but these are the ones I know of:

May 31, 1944 (SAAF photo, NARA Maryland)
July 8, 1944 (Luftwaffe photo, NARA Maryland)
Aug 23, 1944 (SAAF photo, ACIU collection at Keele Uni.) x 2
Aug 25, 1944 (SAAF photo, NARA Maryland)
Aug 25, 1944 (SAAF photo, ACIU collection at Keele Uni.) possibly more than 1
Sep 13, 1944 (USAF photo, NARA Maryland)

It's at least seven separate photos that the alleged Zyklon B introduction chimneys appear.

Those who claim that the aerial photos have been tampered with, need to offer a theory as to whom did the tampering, and when; to the photos in the US (NARA Maryland) and in those in Britain (ACIU collection at Keele Uni.).

Germar Rudolf wrote the following of the British collection:

I think it was in the late nineties that a small news item in England mentioned that millions of air photos of WWII taken by the Royal British Air Force (and perhaps even some photos by the German Luftwaffe confiscated after the war by the British) were hidden in an Archive of Keele University. Nobody else seemed to pay a lot of attention to this news item. At that time I lived in England, and at one of my meetings with my revisionist friend Jeff Roberts, we discussed this topic. (Roberts is the creator of Carlos W. Porter’s website http://www.cwporter.com). We agreed that it was necessary to get access to this archive in the hope of finding more air photo evidence regarding alleged locations of the Holocaust.

Jeff subsequently traveled many times to Keele University. He found out that Keele University had many British as well as captured German air photos, many of the latter covering areas behind the German-Russian front during the war. The negatives were in total disorder, its archive threatened to be dissolved due to lack of funds. After many visits, many hours of talking to the people in charge, he finally managed to get a project started to organize these air photos, in which he selflessly assisted, and he even indicated to me some two years ago that he appears to have succeeded in convincing Keele University to make those photos publicly accessible by offering them on the Internet.

In January of 2004, the international news media announced that Keele University has now indeed opened a website offering access to some of its air photos, accessible at http://www.evidenceincamera.co.uk. Unfortunately, however, only the British air photos seem to be offered for public access, but not the German negatives.

Due to the massive public attention in the weeks that followed the launching and announcement of the site, requests had been so huge that the bandwidth used exceeded the amount allotted to their server, resulting in the site being taken down temporarily.

As could be expected, the media hype generated around this “discovery” – a discovery made possible because of the selfless efforts of just one almost unknown revisionist – was filled with the usual lies.
http://vho.org/tr/2004/4/Rudolf444f.html
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
- Prof. Noah Charney

User avatar
TheBlackRabbitofInlé
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 834
Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:38 am

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 8 years 1 month ago (Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:33 pm)

Hektor wrote:
TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:....
I'd love to see a similarly high resolution of are square 7/9 given a 3x3 subdivision of for instance this picture:
Image
http://ncap.org.uk/frame/6-1-8-5-388?se ... /brzezinka

Meaning the famous Krema II and Krema III


You'll need to put your hand in your pocket then:
http://ncap.org.uk/products-services/subscriptions

It's worth it. Last week I found two unknown photos of Sobibor on that site. But as they're from Sept 41 and May 44, they don't reveal much.
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
- Prof. Noah Charney

User avatar
Hannover
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 10395
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:53 pm

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby Hannover » 8 years 1 month ago (Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:57 pm)

BlackRabbit said:
Those who claim that the aerial photos have been tampered with, need to offer a theory as to whom did the tampering, and when; to the photos in the US (NARA Maryland) and in those in Britain (ACIU collection at Keele Uni.).

That's like saying, 'We have a corpse with no signs of illness or harm except for five bullet holes in the head, but it can't be murder.'
Obviously there was a murder and someone did it.
Also, please recall that there are endless numbers of murders where a 'who' has never been determined.

The photos have obviously been tampered with, so obviously someone did it at some time.
Gee, I just can't imagine who could get access, I just can't imagine that a variety of special interests are served by altering photos which do not support the impossible notion of homicidal gassings at Auschwitz/Birkenau.

And there seems to be an assumption that the photos, now in two different locations:
1. weren't originally in one collection, one location
2. that tampering couldn't have been done in both locations.

- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

Thames Darwin
Valued contributor
Valued contributor
Posts: 193
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:55 pm

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby Thames Darwin » 8 years 1 month ago (Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:58 pm)

So Bunny seems to be indicating that, if the photos were tampered with, as suggested by Ball via Hannover, then we wouldn't find evidence of that tampering on the photos released in the last 15 years, but we do, which indicates that the photos were not, in fact, tampered with. Correct me if I'm wrong on that conclusion.

User avatar
Hannover
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 10395
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:53 pm

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby Hannover » 8 years 1 month ago (Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:16 pm)

Thames Darwin wrote:So Bunny the Lesser seems to be indicating that, if the photos were tampered with, as suggested by Ball via Hannover, then we wouldn't find evidence of that tampering on the photos released in the last 15 years, but we do, which indicates that the photos were not, in fact, tampered with. Correct me if I'm wrong on that conclusion.

Yes, there is confusion.
Just because photos were 'released in the last 15 years' does not indicate they were not tampered with whenever. Two different issues.
Clearly they have been tampered with.

- Hannover

This is too easy:

Image
from thread:
Altered Aerial Photos and the Shadows of Doom

Image

and here, more fake drawn in Zyklon-B 'holes', upper right:
https://archive.org/stream/AirPhotoEvid ... 9/mode/2up
and here:
https://archive.org/stream/AirPhotoEvid ... 3/mode/2up

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

Carto's Cutlass Supreme
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 2491
Joined: Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:42 am
Location: Northern California

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 8 years 1 month ago (Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:51 pm)

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but are the gas chamber holes in both sets of photos? Because I remember in, was it David Cole's 46 unanswered questions, that the holes are drawn in too big, and indeed when I look at Hannover's graphic from Balls book? those things don't make sense.

User avatar
Dresden
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 1535
Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:38 pm

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby Dresden » 8 years 1 month ago (Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:36 pm)

Hannover said:

"Of course I never said the Jew blobs were drawn in by the CIA, but clearly someone has been fooling around"


In this video, at 1:39, John Ball says:

"The people that marked these, I believe they marked them in 1977, just before they were studied by a couple of dupes from the CIA"


Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith

User avatar
TheBlackRabbitofInlé
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 834
Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:38 am

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 8 years 1 month ago (Fri May 01, 2015 6:16 pm)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:The "drawn in Jews" not only feature in the August 25, 1944, photo Brugioni and Poirer discovered in the NARA Maryland during 1978, but are visible in two different photos (of the same date) in the declassified collection of the Allied Central Interpretation Unit in the UK.

[...]

Both sets of the August 25th photos were taken by the 60th (Photoreconnaissance Squadron), South African Air Force, operating from Foggia Airfield Complex in Italy.

Why there are two different sets of aerial photos of Birkenau taken by the 60th Squadron on August 25 just seconds apart (Brugioni and Poirer claim these nine blobs are "Groups of prisoners ... standing formation"), and why one set ended up in the UK and the other in the US, is unknown to me.


I was mistaken there; I was mislead by Hans of HC who claims these are two different sets of photos:

Hans wrote:The photographs YOU [i.e. me, BRoI] are talking about were taken by the Royal Air Force, there are not identical to the USAF photograph and there were obviously taken from a different plane. I already pointed this out at the blog:

"The US Air Force was not alone on their aerial reconnaissance mission at the Auschwitz (Monowitz) complex on 25 August 1944. At the same time, the British RAF was also photographing the area and made four consecutive shots of Auschwitz-Birkenau. Both formations of people Ball claims are fake on the USAF photograph can also been seen on the corresponding RAF photographs (e.g. the standing formation in camp section BII on exposure 4186). They are obviously authentic features on the ground - and Ball must be one of the poorest air photo analysts ever."
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/john-balls-air-photo-evidence-on.html


But Hans was completely mistaken; all the photos of August 25, 1944, were taken by the same plane: sortie 60PR/0694, completed by a SAAF de Havilland Mosquito. The plane flew out of Foggia (South Italy), and took a total of 418 photos of various locations: 2 in Croatia, 2 in (now) Czech Republic, and five in (now) Poland. All the co-ordinates of the plane's position when the 418 photo were taken were gathered from the NCAP's website and loaded into gpsvisualizer.com, which enables you to view the locations on Google Earth:

Sortie 60PR-0694.png


Below are some images which show the various passes the plane took over Auschwitz on August 25. On them I've indicated the photos which show the alleged drawn-on blobs, which Brugioni and Poirer claimed were prisoners standing in formation:

Sortie 60PR-0694 - Auschwitz passes.png
The top image doesn't show the location of every photo on this pass (the first 23 are missing), but they are all shown on the bottom image


The blobs appear on four (not three as I earlier said) different photos, and, importantly, they appear on both of the plane's passes over the Auschwitz region. So we can be fairly certain that these blobs cannot be people in formation:

Sortie 60PR-0694 - Various frames.png
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
- Prof. Noah Charney

User avatar
TheBlackRabbitofInlé
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 834
Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:38 am

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 8 years 1 month ago (Fri May 01, 2015 7:00 pm)

HC's Hans appeals to aerial photography expert Carroll Lucas in his recent review of the new edition of John Ball's book.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/john-balls-air-photo-evidence-on.html

Lucas claimed something interesting of the photos of August 25 1944, held at the NARA:

III) 25 August 1944 Photographic Coverage was Acquired on Mission 60PR/694 60SQ by the 15th U.S. Army Air Force for Planning and BDA.
The camera focal length was 36 inches, and the flight altitude was approximately 30,000 feet, making the scale of the photography approximately 1:10,000 at nadir. The best photographic resolution was on the order of 4-6 feet. Stereo coverage of Birkenau was available. The complex was covered twice during the mission. The first images cover only the southernmost portion of the complex but include the railroad classification yard outside Birkenau as well as the railroad yard within the facility. It provided the best quality photography acquired over the site during the time frame studied. The second coverage recorded the whole facility but is severely degraded by heavy haze, and smoke from the operating smoke generators protecting the targeted industrial facility. The following comments are on activities observed only on the first coverage, because of the poor quality of the subsequent coverage.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100410211303/http://www.mossadist.by.ru/Appendix_IV.htm


This seems a bizarre claim, because the photos of Birkenau taken on the plane's second pass of August 25th (frames 4185-4188) are of a fantastic quality:

Sortie 60PR-0694.png

4185 - http://ncap.org.uk/frame/6-1-8-5-387?search=keywords/60PR%252F0694
4186 - http://ncap.org.uk/frame/6-1-8-5-388?search=keywords/60PR%252F0694
4187 - http://ncap.org.uk/frame/6-1-8-5-389?search=keywords/60PR%252F0694
4188 - http://ncap.org.uk/frame/6-1-8-5-390?search=keywords/60PR%252F0694


Why would the photos from the plane's second pass over Birkenau be so markedly different in the British and US archives—they should be precisely the same?

The famous photo (frame 3185) from the plane's first pass on August 25th, are seemingly identical in the British and US archives:

Sortie 60PR-0694.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp#/media/File:Birkenau25August1944.jpg
http://ncap.org.uk/frame/6-1-8-5-185?search=keywords/60PR%252F0694
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
- Prof. Noah Charney

User avatar
TheBlackRabbitofInlé
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 834
Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:38 am

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 8 years 1 month ago (Fri May 01, 2015 7:18 pm)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:I don't have a complete list of the photos in which the alleged Zyklon B introduction chimneys appears, but these are the ones I know of:

May 31, 1944 (SAAF photo, NARA Maryland)
July 8, 1944 (Luftwaffe photo, NARA Maryland)
Aug 23, 1944 (SAAF photo, ACIU collection at Keele Uni.) x 2
Aug 25, 1944 (SAAF photo, NARA Maryland)
Aug 25, 1944 (SAAF photo, ACIU collection at Keele Uni.) possibly more than 1
Sep 13, 1944 (USAF photo, NARA Maryland)

It's at least seven separate photos that the alleged Zyklon B introduction chimneys appear.


I still don't have a complete list, but I now know for certain that they appear in 3 different photos taken on August 23, 1944, and 5 different photos taken on August 25, 1944 (at least in the British collection, but perhaps not the US one—see above post for details).

So that's at least 11 different photos they appear.
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
- Prof. Noah Charney

User avatar
TheBlackRabbitofInlé
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 834
Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:38 am

Re: aerial / ground photos debunk Oskar Groening Auschwitz f

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 8 years 1 month ago (Fri May 01, 2015 9:18 pm)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:Sorry if this is a dumb question, but are the gas chamber holes in both sets of photos? Because I remember in, was it David Cole's 46 unanswered questions, that the holes are drawn in too big, and indeed when I look at Hannover's graphic from Balls book? those things don't make sense.


Hi CCS.

Yes, as I mentioned earlier, the claimed Zyklon B chimneys (or markings consistent with them) appear on at least 11 different photos, mostly South African Air Force ones, but also American, and a German one.

Cole did ask a rather rambling question (No. 9) about the "holes", in part of which he says that they appear to be too large on the aerial photos. The orthodoxy claims:

... we obtained the advice of Mr. Carroll Lucas, a leading expert with more than fifty years in aerial and satellite photo analysis ...

"The four dark areas observed on the Crematorium II roof (on positive prints) are compacted soil, produced by the constant movement of personnel deployed on the roof, as they worked around the vents."


... Further factors that may have contributed to the formation of the "smudges" in the photo:

a) Water may have been poured on the extracted Zyklon pellets in order to dissolve the Zyklon and reduce the danger of accidental inhalation. Hosing down the pellets would also cause the wet areas of the earth cover to appear darker, and could also have caused a different growth pattern of grass on the roof, resulting in a darker color; this is supported by the fact that areas with greenery appear darker in the photo

b) It is possible that the inner cores of the wire mesh columns into which the Zyklon was inserted were not inside the chamber when the aerial photograph was taken, but were temporarily removed and propped against the small chimneys that housed the Zyklon insertion devices. One possible reason for removing the inner core is the following: since the gas chambers were hosed down after each gassing, it would have made sense to remove these inner cores while the hosing was taking place, in order to keep them dry. These inner cores, leaning on the small chimneys, could result in shadow patterns with an appearance such as that in the center of the smudges.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/holes-report/holes1.shtml


If you're reading this Hans, you might note that Keren and friends confirm, as Lucas did, that the NARA photos of Sortie 60PR/0694's second pass over Auschwitz on August 25th are different to those held in the UK!

Several aerial photos of the Birkenau complex taken by American and British planes during 1944 (see Figure 7). The clearest of these photographs were taken during an American [recte: South African - BRoI] overflight on August 25. Crematoriums II and III appear at the edge of precisely one frame, number 3185; in the next, 3186, Crematorium II alone is visible, with Crematorium III having been cut off by the trajectory of the aircraft.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/holes-report/holes.shtml
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
- Prof. Noah Charney


Return to “'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests