Poland

[borjastick]

Cold beer, there were many social and political actions and themes going on in Poland and Russia at the time. Life was very hard for many people as Stalin got to grips with his version of collectivism and communism. He picked on groups such as those who died in Ukraine in the Holodomor and of course many millions who were sent to the gulags.

At the same time in Poland Zionists were planning their route to a Jewish state and agitating along the way. Jews were an easy target due to their unwashed status, different clothing and claims to be The Chosen Ones. People didn't like them and when the chance came up they were picked on. This suited the Jewish leaders as it gave them more justification for a jewish state. Some would say they encouraged anti semitism.

Hannover is correct that your questions aren't directly related to the Holocaust.

My advice is to read the 'stickies' at the top, then read about Polish Jews and other interesting topics in the first 20 or so pages here. Reading is key to a greater understanding of the holohoax.

[cold beer]

Cold beer, there were many social and political actions and themes going on in Poland and Russia at the time. Life was very hard for many people as Stalin got to grips with his version of collectivism and communism. He picked on groups such as those who died in Ukraine in the Holodomor and of course many millions who were sent to the gulags.

At the same time in Poland Zionists were planning there route to a Jewish state and agitating along the way. Jews were an easy target due to their unwashed status, different clothing and claims to be The Chosen Ones. People didn't like them and when the chance came up they were picked on. This suited the Jewish leaders as it gave them more justification for a jewish state. Some would say they encouraged anti semitism.

Thanks for the reply and the information

Hannover is correct that your questions aren't directly related to the Holocaust.

Yes that indeed was pointed out to me.
It was a mistake, I apologized, I would move the thread if possible.
What is it that you would have me do at this point?

My advice is to read the 'stickies' at the top, then read about Polish Jews and other interesting topics in the first 20 or so pages here. Reading is key to a greater understanding of the holohoax

I was hoping that someone might have an answer and a willingness to briefly summarize it.
Sorry if I inconvenienced anyone
People do post to forums of various kinds seeking direct answers to questions, I don't feel that I've invented that concept in this thread.
Thank you for point to that material, I will read it.

[borjastick]

You have no need to apologise for anything. This forum is designed for people to read/ask/learn. I am sure someone will point you in the right direction but leg work and reading are the gateway to greater holocaust understanding, and it's great fun and hugely rewarding. It's not my trainset so where your post goes is not my call. The Mods will decide that one.

I am sure I reflect the views of many here who would say the same, welcome to Codoh's Forum.

[Mkk]

He did say a policy of disrespect for minorities , I figured that to be the equivalent concerning Jews.

It's a she Anyway, my point is that persecution of Polish Jews would have fit in with the facts I know about treatment of Germans, Ukrainians and Belarussian minorities in Poland during the inter-war period.

I havent investigated the matter closely, but Polish sources tell me that Jews were treated simmiliar to Blacks in apartheid-era South Africa, and Poland was judged to be just as anti-Semitic as Germany at the time.

[adam1234]

I live in Poland, and in my school they told me different things... Of course there were Poles who hated Jews, but many of Polishes helped Jews during this period. I wouldn't compare it to the ear of apartheid in the South Africa...

[Breker]

I live in Poland, and in my school they told me different things... Of course there were Poles who hated Jews, but many of Polishes helped Jews during this period. I wouldn't compare it to the ear of apartheid in the South Africa...

I am interested in what exactly it was that these Poles supposedly did to help Jews during this period.
Also, did your school provide any verifiable facts to support the different things they told you?
And, did your school tell you how much Poland rakes in every year from their "Holocaust Industry"?
B.

[cold beer]

It's a she

Sorry, I'll try not to forget

Anyway, my point is that persecution of Polish Jews would have fit in with the facts I know about treatment of Germans, Ukrainians and Belarussian minorities in Poland during the inter-war period.

I havent investigated the matter closely, but Polish sources tell me that Jews were treated simmiliar to Blacks in apartheid-era South Africa, and Poland was judged to be just as anti-Semitic as Germany at the time.

Without getting too far off topic, I have doubts about the severity of apartheid in S Africa, and strongly suspect a campaign to overthrow what was the political structure for economic gain.
The people behind Mandela were communists, it wasn't a self initiated African movement.

Back to Poland... is it possible that Poles saw Jews as a driving force for immigration into Poland, could they have been hiring cheap foreign labor from Russia and the Ukraine? In 'survivor' testimonies I've heard Jews talk about having housekeepers from Russia/Ukraine Could they have been bringing in foreigners to work in their businesses?

Could there have been hostilities towards Jews resulting from the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1920?

[cold beer]

I live in Poland, and in my school they told me different things... Of course there were Poles who hated Jews, but many of Polishes helped Jews during this period. I wouldn't compare it to the ear of apartheid in the South Africa...

I don't place much value in the history that comes out of schools, whether they be American or European.
I can correctly assume that very few people on this forum do, otherwise why would forums like this exist?

I don't know what the speech laws are in Poland but raising questions on this topic is against the law in most of Europe, so how can what they teach in their schools be trusted?

[Petschau]

Poland's Jews were sympathetic to the Soviet cause and sided with them against their host nation of Poland.
When the Red Army invaded Poland, the Jews celebrated and offered their services, especially the young Jews.
This led to much hatred between the Poles and Jews which still exists today among the old timers.

Here is a brief article on the subject.
http://dath125.livejournal.com/26537.html

Also look up the Jedwabne Massacre.

[cold beer]

Poland's Jews were sympathetic to the Soviet cause and sided with them against their host nation of Poland.
When the Red Army invaded Poland, the Jews celebrated and offered their services, especially the young Jews.
This led to much hatred between the Poles and Jews which still exists today among the old timers.

Here is a brief article on the subject.
http://dath125.livejournal.com/26537.html

Also look up the Jedwabne Massacre.

Thanks for the reply.
Who is it that wrote the article?

[hermod]

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/poles.htm

[cold beer]

Thank you for posting that link, it goes right to the point, it's exactly what I was looking for.