Nanking Massacre lies countered by Japanese Revisionists

[theTRUTH]

"When [the Allied Powers] opened the so-called Tokyo war-crimes tribunal [after World War II], they needed evidence that Japan committed greater atrocities [than the Tokyo air raids and use of atomic bombs], so they made up the so-called Nanjing Massacre, which was completely unfounded."

Hideaki Kase, chair of the Committee for the Examination of the Facts about Nanjing, speaking in Tokyo alongside former Japanese Army soldiers telling their stories about the alleged Nanjing Incident".

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20071214/wl ... AAJhdAr7sF

This is the same way the Soviets and Americans used the Nuremberg Trials to "prove" the Germans committed greater attrocities than the Allies did at Katyn, Vinnitsa, Kiev, Hamburg, Dresden, Berlin, and thousands of other locations.

Japanese books have copied detailed wartime diaries of military leaders present during the Nanking occupation which do not mention civilian murders or rapes, and former soliders said the murder stories are all lies. In yet the Chinese and Western media continue to parrot the Nanking attrocity stories, seemingly oblivious to the irrefutable evidence showing there was no massacre. Of course, reporters are not scientists searching for the truth but employees wanting to please their bosses.

[NovyMir]

I have not examined this issue very far indepth yet, so I still reserve judgement on it. Actually, I am more intrigued by the '04 death of author Iris Chang ("The Rape of Nanking") at the moment.

[diaz52]

"When [the Allied Powers] opened the so-called Tokyo war-crimes tribunal [after World War II], they needed evidence that Japan committed greater atrocities [than the Tokyo air raids and use of atomic bombs], so they made up the so-called Nanjing Massacre, which was completely unfounded."

Hideaki Kase, chair of the Committee for the Examination of the Facts about Nanjing, speaking in Tokyo alongside former Japanese Army soldiers telling their stories about the alleged Nanjing Incident".

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20071214/wl ... AAJhdAr7sF

This is the same way the Soviets and Americans used the Nuremberg Trials to "prove" the Germans committed greater attrocities than the Allies did at Katyn, Vinnitsa, Kiev, Hamburg, Dresden, Berlin, and thousands of other locations.

Japanese books have copied detailed wartime diaries of military leaders present during the Nanking occupation which do not mention civilian murders or rapes, and former soliders said the murder stories are all lies. In yet the Chinese and Western media continue to parrot the Nanking attrocity stories, seemingly oblivious to the irrefutable evidence showing there was no massacre. Of course, reporters are not scientists searching for the truth but employees wanting to please their bosses.

Very interesting post, theTRUTH. Wasn't there a German diplomat in Nankng at the time, who made reports to the West about the acts of barbarism being committed by the Japanse? I remember hearing about that, and about how this diplomat's communications conveyed a sense of disbelief in the brutality of the Japanese toward the Chinse.

[theTRUTH]

On Youtube author Nigashinakano shows how every photo he gathered of the alleged Nanking photo were either published months previous, were exposed during summer rather than winter, were exposed at another location, were staged, or shows relaxed happy civilians not about to be murdered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aefFXZhO ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vQ9W9Mg ... re=related

Other films questioning Nanking's occurrance also occur on Youtube like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E25rGph ... re=related

[Haldan]

Very interesting post, theTRUTH. Wasn't there a German diplomat in Nankng at the time, who made reports to the West about the acts of barbarism being committed by the Japanse? I remember hearing about that, and about how this diplomat's communications conveyed a sense of disbelief in the brutality of the Japanese toward the Chinse.

It might have been John Rabe. I am not sure.

By the way Carlos W. Porter has a article on Nanking here:
http://www.cwporter.com/rapeofna.htm
-haldan

[Laurentz Dahl]

Very interesting post, theTRUTH. Wasn't there a German diplomat in Nankng at the time, who made reports to the West about the acts of barbarism being committed by the Japanse? I remember hearing about that, and about how this diplomat's communications conveyed a sense of disbelief in the brutality of the Japanese toward the Chinse.

It might have been John Rabe. I am not sure.

Yes, Rabe is the one. Rabe belonged to a faction of NS who would rather ally with the Chinese Nationalist Party (Guomindang). He also had interests in German weapon sales to the Guomindang army. This and other facts have been conveniently brushed aside by those who want to portray Rabe as a reliable witness - reliable because he belonged to a nation and a party allied with Japan.

The official (that is Chinese) Nanking story was originally written mainly by Chinese nationalists and later adopted by the Chinese Communist Party. Many of Japanese books supporting the planned massacre allegations have been written by journalists and historians with communist connections.

The official story pushed by the Chinese government and swallowed uncritically by media world over (since any allegation directed against a former axis power is taken as gospel) has a lot of holes. There probably were some rapes and looting, and several thousands of surrendered Chinese (many of them had thrown their uniforms while still fighting, as was common among the Chinese troups, who often mixed themselves with civilians and then carried out attacks) were executed, possibly in violation of international law. However, the case for hundreds of thousands killed and a planned massacre is weak.

Just take the documentary proof presented to show that the Japanese "knew" about the massacre of 300,000 Chinese, a telegram sent by the Japanese foreign minister Koki Hirota. We are shown this telegram without being told that another telegram sent just before it specify its contents as quoting of Timperley, a British journalist. A recently published book by Japanese history professor Kitamura Minoru, The Politics of Nanjing, in turn proves that Timperley worked for the Chinese Nationalist Party as a propagandist, and that this background of his was covered up after the war.

http://www.jiyuu-shikan.org/nanjing/telegram.html

Btw, here is Carlo Mattogno's foreword to the Japanese edition of his book My Banned Holocaust Interview:

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/CM/CM-to-Japan.html

It may be noted that the blond American guy in the discussion panel (in the first YouTube video linked to above) who believes in the reality of the Nanking massacre, Dave Specter, is Jewish. The guy is one of the most frequently seen gaijin talking heads in Japanese TV. I don't think he's a hardcore judeosupremacist however, he is married to a Japanese woman for example. There are some thousand Jews in Japan, who more or less went collectively meshuggah back in the early 1990's when a Japanese mainstream magazine, Marco Polo published a revisionist article on Auschwitz questioning the gassings. Wiesenthal and his buddies used all their might and finally the publisher of the magazine had to not only apologize, but to shut down the magazine. There are lots of articles on this in the archive of the IHR website. For a while there was a free debate on the issue of Jewish pressure groups and several respected journals defended the revisionists and the magazine. Greg Raven and others debated in English language Japanese newspapers until Jewish pressure got them censored. Kimura Ai, the writer of an excellent revisionist book called Auschwitz no Souten (The Auschwitz Controversy) could even publish an article in one well known journal dealing with politics and the media. Furthermore David Cole went to Japan and gave a press conference which went of very well. I believe most Jews in Japan dislike the Japanese attitude towards debating history, whether it's their own or others.

It should also be noted regarding the video that Asahi Shimbun, a leading Japanese newspaper, while strongly supporting the Pacific war and the war in China during 1937-1945, after the war became rather left-wing and pro-China. Thus Honda Katsuichi's book in 1981, serialized and published by Asahi.

Videos from a press conference held by a committee investigating Nanking claims:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMbZ0N_Wdc (part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5spqgXtYFRo (part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68PloqHqJ3U (part 3)

Note the hysterical and hateful comments to those videos posted by Chinese and Americans(?)

Fuck this video piece of shit. Hes a neo-jap. Beware he might become the jap hitler and take over the world. Kill him before he tries to kill anyone

(the GHQ referred to in the video was the General Head Quarters (previously named SCAP) of the American occupiers of Japan after WWII. NHK is the Japanese equivalent to BBC)

It is noteworthy that the arguments of the Japanese "Nanking deniers" are as good as never summarized or even vaguely described by western media.

More on faked Nanking photos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR0gTIn9 ... re=related

A Japanese revisionist site in English with several English language e-books available for download:

http://www.sdh-fact.com/

It may be noted that many Japanese revisionists (excluding the Japanese Holocaust revisionists) believe in the official Holocaust story and writes about is undeniably real in constrast to the alleged Japanese crimes. Either its due to ignorance (Holocaust revisionist material is still hard to find in Japan except for online at http://revisionist.jp) or they simply want to distance themselves from the publicly vilified Holocaust questioners. They know what happened to Marco Polo!

[Haldan]

Bruce Kluckhohn told me that Nanjing university has developed the old home of John Rabe into a memorial. Also, his body (originally buried in Berlin) was exhumed and reburied with ceremony at the official 'Nanking rape memorial' site. His diary is a worldwide best seller. A documentary of his exploits made the rounds in China this year, and a couple of films are in production at present, one from Hollywood (go figure).
-haldan

[Laurentz Dahl]

Bruce Kluckhohn told me that Nanjing university has developed the old home of John Rabe into a memorial. Also, his body (originally buried in Berlin) was exhumed and reburied with ceremony at the official 'Nanking rape memorial' site. His diary is a worldwide best seller. A documentary of his exploits made the rounds in China this year, and a couple of films are in production at present, one from Hollywood (go figure).

John "Daddy Warbucks" Rabe is usually called "the good German in Nanking" as if good Germans were a rare exception. You gotta remember that 99,9% of the Germans were/are evil sadistic Jew-killing monsters. Hey Hollywood say so so it has to be true...

[Hektor]

Bruce Kluckhohn told me that Nanjing university has developed the old home of John Rabe into a memorial. Also, his body (originally buried in Berlin) was exhumed and reburied with ceremony at the official 'Nanking rape memorial' site. His diary is a worldwide best seller. A documentary of his exploits made the rounds in China this year, and a couple of films are in production at present, one from Hollywood (go figure).

John "Daddy Warbucks" Rabe is usually called "the good German in Nanking" as if good Germans were a rare exception. You gotta remember that 99,9% of the Germans were/are evil sadistic Jew-killing monsters. Hey Hollywood say so so it has to be true...

I can recall having that expression, when I was reading about it. The "good German". Wasn't he even a "Nazi" as well, I recall him being on official mission in China and some of the comments here confirm that.


"The good German" is of course a well known figure from so many Hollycaust movies. To me it always seemed as if that figure was included to switch down defensive mechanisms against the slander that these movies actually were.

[Laurentz Dahl]

Since some bird whispered in my ear that the usual gang of anti-revisionist goons read this thread and are clamoring for Japanese academics who question the allied Nanking story, I should point out that Kitamura Minoru, who does not believe in a planned massacre and who believes that the victims, whose number he estimates at approx. 40,000, mainly consisted of captured Chinese nationalist soldiers and partisans, is a professor of modern Chinese history at Ritsumeikan University in Kyoto, one of the most reknowned Japanese private universities. His English-language publisher, American University Press, is a mainstream academic publisher. It may also be pointed out that since the end of the war, Ritsumeikan University has been known as a university with a left wing-liberal profile.

[kk]

A very lucid comment from Japan's greatest air war ace who survived WW2:

On the Rape of Nanjing
There's no question that Japanese soldiers probably killed a few thousand people there, but stories of 100,000 to 300,000 dead are complete fiction, made up by the Chinese for propaganda purposes. And most of the "civilians" that got killed were probably Chinese soldiers masquerading as non-combatants by not wearing their uniforms. That IS against international law. Why don't I think the stories are true? First of all, there weren't even 300,000 people in Nanjing at the time. Most of the city's population had fled when they heard the Japanese were coming. Secondly, there were over 200 foreign journalists in the area, and you can't find any mention of an atrocity like that in the papers of the day. There's no way you could hide something that big, but the stories about it didn't emerge until AFTER the war. And the only photos from the supposed event that ever get published are taken from a documentary about it and are fakes, staged for the film. [See the Rape of Nanjing]
On "comfort women's" demands for compensation
Demanding compensation from a foreign government 50 years after something happened? Come on. The statute of limitations for murder is only 15 years. After the war, the Japanese government signed agreements with Korea and other nations settling war liability claims. These are binding, international agreements made by the legal governments of their nations. If certain victim's groups have a claim, they have to address it to their own government, not to some foreign government. You don't see A-bomb victims groups going to Washington demanding that the U.S. government pay for their suffering, do you? No, instead, the Japanese government pays them an allowance. If the comfort women have a claim, it should be with their own Korean or Philippine government. They're just looking for cash now that Japan is a rich nation. [See the Comfort Women]

Please note his remarks about reparations and compare the current trend of holocau$tianity.

Saburo Sakai died in 2000.

[kk]

Sorry, I forgot the link:
http://www.warbirdforum.com/sakai2.htm