Einsatzgruppen reports

[Tommo]

Ok, obviously the general public, led by dupers believes in outrageous things, and is still infuenced by outrageous "research" LOL

In realistic terms though, the revisionists have the entire holocaust confined to the Eastern Front, completely surrounded, and bombing them to absolute smithereens.

WE all know that.

Whatever strength is in the Hoefle/Korherr convergence, we know nobody was gassed, burned or buried on those sites (in any quantity), but they may have been shipped East (as the plan was).

Once East, we run into the activities of the Einsatzgruppen. We have good evidence of the plan to resettle the Jew's, to put them in ghetto's and use them for slave labour.

And nobody denies some questionable activity of the task forces in anti-partisan warfare.

But of course the scale and the character the holocaust establishment gives is one of "genocide" and of titanic proportions (around a million Jews).

I've heards some good reasoning why it could be fraudulent. BUT we're up against all those task force situation reports.

Were they typed up by the Soviet's using German typewriters? Frauded in some way?

They are kind of contradictory in some ways.

I know Irving camp will accept it all, blame it all on Himmler and co and exonerate Hitler. And although most of that camps hypothesis is just demonstratably garbage, Hitler definitely wasn't involved, nor was Goering if anything did go on.

But that's a lot of paper evidence for the "Holocaust by bullets" there in the East.

Anybody have any up to date information one way or the other? I know Mattogno is in the process of writing that book. I can't wait!

[Hannover]

There's a ton of information here on these 'Reports'.
ex:
Einsatzgruppen mass murder proof??? / Desbois
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8030&p=60319

Jäger Report, a document
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10058

Babi Yar 'massacre' debunked
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41

Vincent Reynouard on the Einsatzgruppen
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9485

Mattogno demolishes Desbois 'mass graves' fraud
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9768

Charlatan Desbois's 'holocaust by bullets; debunked, just a few examples:
"Holocaust by Bullets: Uncovering the Reality of Genocide"
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7362&p=54502

Father Patrick Desbois' "Holocaust by Bullets"
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5410&p=48723

Mattogno demolishes Desbois 'mass graves' fraud
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9768

search keywords:
Mannstein, einsatzgruppen reports, Aktion 1005, Desbois

There is no doubt that the Einsatzgruppen executed non-uniformed terrorists aka "partisans", and that Jews comprised a large proportion of those cowardly terrorists. Those executions were perfectly legal under international law, all sides executed illegal combatants.

These terrorists / partisans also murdered women, children, elderly, anyone that did not like and support communism.

The Industry claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were killed by the Einsatzgruppen, so, anyone, please show us the excavated enormous mass graves that are claimed to exist and their locations allegedly known.
Is that:
100 graves of 20,000?
200 graves of 10,000?
400 graves of 5,000?
500 graves of 4,000?
1000 graves of 2000?
2000 graves of 1000?

Imagine. In what other mass murder cases where human remains supposedly exist in locations supposedly known, go without being excavated, identified, and shown? None.

- Hannover

“Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.”
- George Orwell

[Hektor]

Ok, obviously.....
I've heards some good reasoning why it could be fraudulent. BUT we're up against all those task force situation reports.

Were they typed up by the Soviet's using German typewriters? Frauded in some way?
...

This isn't directly on the reports and not answering the question what typewriters were used, but indicating what that incorrect map material was used in the case of the socalled Stahlecker map:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9411&p=71456&hilit=Stahlecker#p71456
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1164&p=66109&hilit=Stahlecker#p66109
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7404&p=54811&hilit=Stahlecker#p54811

Not all forgeries do have that kind of give=aways, but sometimes they do. The problem is that documents can be easily forged given the right resources available. That means that their probative value is lessened, when they come via the hands of enemies with a strong motive to lie about their opponent and smear him as much as possible. This problem is to my knowledge completely ignored or even denied by official Holocaust Historiography. Otherwise they at least would have pointed out some of the more obvious forgeries and published about it. A plausible reason why they didn't do that is because their other evidence aren't really that overwhelming. And pointing out forgeries will cast doubts on the rest of the evidence as well cracking their closed-loop line of argumentation, which in short can be described as:

The Holocaust happened, because we have evidence, the evidence must be truthful, because the Holocaust happened.

You're dealing with a paradigmatic dogma here. This is why virtually ALL official historians that got their phD's from main-stream universities will tell you more or less the same when asked about the Holocaust.

[Tommo]

There's a ton of information here on these 'Reports'.
ex:
Einsatzgruppen mass murder proof??? / Desbois
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8030&p=60319

Jäger Report, a document
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10058

Babi Yar 'massacre' debunked
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41

Vincent Reynouard on the Einsatzgruppen
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9485

Mattogno demolishes Desbois 'mass graves' fraud
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9768

Charlatan Desbois's 'holocaust by bullets; debunked, just a few examples:
"Holocaust by Bullets: Uncovering the Reality of Genocide"
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7362&p=54502

Father Patrick Desbois' "Holocaust by Bullets"
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5410&p=48723

Mattogno demolishes Desbois 'mass graves' fraud
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9768

search keywords:
Mannstein, einsatzgruppen reports, Aktion 1005, Desbois

There is no doubt that the Einsatzgruppen executed non-uniformed terrorists aka "partisans", and that Jews comprised a large proportion of those cowardly terrorists. Those executions were perfectly legal under international law, all sides executed illegal combatants.

These terrorists / partisans also murdered women, children, elderly, anyone that did not like and support communism.

The Industry claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were killed by the Einsatzgruppen, so, anyone, please show us the excavated enormous mass graves that are claimed to exist and their locations allegedly known.
Is that:
100 graves of 20,000?
200 graves of 10,000?
400 graves of 5,000?
500 graves of 4,000?
1000 graves of 2000?
2000 graves of 1000?

Imagine. In what other mass murder cases where human remains supposedly exist in locations supposedly known, go without being excavated, identified, and shown? None.

- Hannover

“Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.”
- George Orwell

Thankyou Hannover.

I am a bit of a noob to this, but I'm very fast at doing the "research" and thorough.

I'm completely aware of the international Jew's and former allied nations nature, aware that the rest of the holocaust is a total lie and at this "end point" now as well.

I find it difficult to locate revisionist information on the topic without knowing specifically which direction to look in.

I have read some of these Situation Reports which are supposedly translated into English from project HEART.

The enormous numbers are concerning and some of the rhetoric.

I don't have any problem with the German anti-partisan warfare either. Horrible reality of war, absolutely necessary though and I am aware of the character of the enemy and the behaviour of the Jew's as well prior toward the Soviet conquered Ukranian's and Baltic peoples.

I just wanted to know if we had anything "solid" against the Exterminationist swine.

Thankyou for providing this, excellent my friend

[Hannover]

Tommo, you're welcome.
There are many highly informed individuals here who can always help. Search this forum or the CODOH main site http://codoh.com, or ask questions.

Knowledge is freedom.

- H.

Why do so many people want 6M Jews to be dead? Revisionists don't.
Jews should be elated to know that 6M of their brethren were not murdered.

[Tommo]

Tommo, you're welcome.
There are many highly informed individuals here who can always help. Search this forum or the CODOH main site http://codoh.com, or ask questions.

Knowledge is freedom.

- H.

Why do so many people want 6M Jews to be dead? Revisionists don't.
Jews should be elated to know that 6M of their brethren were not murdered.

Hi mate. Ok you seem pretty up to date with what's going on here..

Some of the most extensive alleged massacres appear to be busted.
If I'm not mistaken.... Not only have no mass graves been proven by the exterminationist, but NOT ONE SINGLE BODY??

^^Am I correct in asserting that, or correct enough in terms of "massacres" aligning with Einsatz report locations??

I'm beginning to suspect Himmler's order itself was dubious, which would make Gudrun right about her father (and Irving wrong).

So basically, it's a paper holocaust. NOW, that documentation, the Einsatz Situation reports, 200 of them, and the general orders apparently captured...

If fraudulent, that NEEDS to be addressed. I went to this site... http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... eport.html

And the "originals" are supposedly at the National Archives of Washington D.C. on microfilm. The holocaust research project claims to "be publishing them in te ensuing months" so they say...

Can access these microfilms and have someone fluent in German translate them for us?

Can we access them to assess the authenticity any way we may?

WHERE did they come from?? I haven't found an official narrative yet for where the United States obtained these "documents" or are they allegedly intercepted transmissions? Did the Soviet's find similar, or British? Or intercept as much too? Or was this a "US find or intercept alone??

I believe, given this is purely a paper case so far (witnesses meaning less than pure shit at this point LOL) that documentation has to be destroyed by the revisionists for us to clinch the case in the eyes of the public.

Meanwhile this Hoefle/Korherr conflagration deserves similar attention because I've heard David Cole allege the Hoefle telegram references specifically the Jew's were "terminated"??? Is that so? If so, strange it should turn up around the year 2000, apparently "unnoticed" for all that time and magically align with Korherr's figures as well. Hmm


I "discovered" this reality of our world less than a year ago, believe it or not. And I cannot believe the Orwellian reality of the world today.

The true evil in this world hidden in plain sight under the disguise of the minitsry of good. That it is so however, is beyond question.