Video about Treblinka

[Hannover]

It's good to see Hebden admit that Tregenza cannot back-up what he says.
Tregenza claims to have cassetes, but no cassettes. Typical.

Naturally Hebden refuses to admit that there are indeed maps of the alleged site at Treblinka....drawn by the so called "survivors".
Krege used them and didn't find squat. I challenge Hebden and his 'holocau$t' Industry to go to the same place that these survivors have mapped and simply dig, or scan. The whole argument could be over in an hour, by 'two guys with a shovel' as Tom Moran says. Hebden knows his 'holocau$t' Industry doesn't dare.

As I stated, what more can be said. The GPR scan was made and nothing was found, no "report" is needed. We all know the site location, just ask the laughable "surviors".

If Hebden wants to debate the bogus Belzec dig I challenge him to do so in the thread that already exists here or start another one. He won't do it, I'm sure of it.

- Hannover

[Malle]

If you read the report it says:

We carried out an extensive survey of the camp area drilling over 1700 boreholes and examining soil samples to a depth of 6m.

What is that for an archaeological study? DRILLING HOLES?

And this is your basis for calling the report a fraud?

This was only one example. There are more, but I thought you might agree with me, when they drill holes instead of an excavation.

But apparently you don't, so we take it once more:

33 mass graves were found of various dimensions, the largest measuring 70m x 20m x 6m deep.

How did they arrive to that? Where in the report are they saying how they calculate?

In the southeast part of the camp five mass graves were found, the largest measuring 36m x 18m x 6m deep.

How did they arrive to that? Where in the report are they saying how they calculate?

Two of the graves contained unburnt, naked human corpses below a layer of water at 3-4m below ground.

How did they arrive to that?

And so on, and so on! This is a sloppy work and you know it. That's why Hannover's conclusions stand.

I have 9 x 90min. film cassettes of the whole operation over the period 28.4. - 4.6.98.

Where are they?

Good question. Make yourself useful - try and find the answer and then report back to the forum.

I have tried to find anything on the search engines (google, lycos etc) and I came up with one hit. http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9807/19/poland.camp/ . But the film clip doesn't seem to be there.

[Sailor]

Having waited 2 1/2 years (and counting), this study had better deliver the goods. Before anyone can attempt to replicate or challenge the findings, it is essential that exact maps showing which areas were examined are included.

Maybe Krege found something and is shy about it. Polish workers excavated at the alleged mass grave sites in 1945/46 and found nothing. The Polish may have looked in the wrong place, or did a sloppy job.

I am also waiting for Mattogno’s 2 volume book on Cremation, which is in the process of being printed since a couple of years now.

What is that for an archaeological study? DRILLING HOLES?

These are core drillings. They drill holes with drill bits which are hollow, and then they analyze the cores.

How did they arrive to that? Where in the report are they saying how they calculate?

They check the compactness of the soil with thin metal probes. This can give an indication whether the soil is untouched or not and can give a rough guide of the location of the mass grave . Our civil engineers use this method when they check whether a roadway is compacted sufficiently before placing asphalt.

[Malle]

Sailor,

Please provide me with a reference where somebody made an archaeological study by drilling holes. (Please not this at Belzec!)

Everything I know about this is made by excavation.

[Sailor]

Please provide me with a reference where somebody made an archaeological study by drilling holes. (Please not this at Belzec!)

Everything I know about this is made by excavation.

I have no references about archeological studies using core drillings. Archeological excavations are, at least what I have seen on TV, done by completely uncovering everything, using shovels etc.

We used core drillings for excavations other than for archeological studies. Any major construction project, buildings, dams, bridges etc, require that the civils have knowledge as precise as possible of what is below. They use this method for their preliminary investigations.
Then after they do the actual excavation there are sometime bad surprises (“Gee, here is an old eartquake fault from a long time ago, and we were planning to build a dam here!” This happened!).

So, for a preliminary investigation of suspected mass grave sites, why not use such core drilling method?

I would. Saves a lot of money.

[Malle]

Sailor,

Now we are closing in.

If you and I are looking for a habitation from the Stone Age, I agree that we start with YOUR drilling, if we don’t know the exact location.

We find an area that we estimate to 30 x 10 m (90 x 30 ft) where the habitation was.

Now, how do we continue? Do we drill this area so it looks like Swiss cheese (like Tregenza) or do we an excavation?

[Hannover]

It's curious about this Tregenza. Andrzej Kola, the sham researcher who led the 'definitive' study of Belzec, 'Belzec, the Nazi Camp for Jews in light of Archaeological sources - excavations 1997-1999' refers to Tregenza **ONCE**...**IN A FOOTNOTE**. Kola describes Tregenza as a "volunteer historian worker from Great Britain". Kola never refers to Tregenza as leading an excavation. From all the Believer misinformation we are led to believe that Tregenza assumed complete charge of a major work at Belzec. He did not, it's another lie debunked. Another example of the Believers shooting themselves in the foot.

I might add that Kola's little book, which I found one copy of from the Library of Congress is a laughable work that can only be described as a fraud. See my Belzec thread.

The 'holocau$t' Industry has met the enemy, it is themselves.

- Hannover

[Sailor]

Now, how do we continue? Do we drill this area so it looks like Swiss cheese (like Tregenza) or do we an excavation?

A good point. 30 drill points would have been sufficient. But with 1700, there was almost nothing left to be excavated!

Another thing that I find strange is, why the Jews did not announce before hand what they were planning to do. And invite everybody who might be interested to come along and watch them and discuss things. Make it it truely public and scientific project.

I can’t help but feel that they don’t trust and believe in their own story.