CODOH's Rebuttal to the Sonderaktion 1005

[Dugong_Terbang]

What is CODOH Rebuttal to the Sonderaktion 1005 ?,

said in Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?
page 227 and 228
http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf

In fact, the story of ‘Operation 1005’ is based upon several completely unreliable witness statements. The first of them were collected by Soviet commissions or journalists and printed in the Black Book edited by Ilya Ehrenburg
and Wassili Grossman. This is a propagandistic collection of tales from alleged eyewitnesses. Aside from the Vladimir K. Davidov already mentioned,
one finds here the (hearsay) testimony of Shimon Ariel and Zalma Edelman on Białystok,660 that of a few (according to their own statements) escapees
from Kaunas,661 and that of a Y. Farber on Ponari (Lithuania).662 These witnesses know nothing to report about any ‘Operation 1005’ or a ‘Sonderkommando 1005.’
The designation ‘Sonderkommando 1005’ was invented by the Soviets. At
the proceedings of February 9, 1946, at the Nuremberg Trial, Chief Counsel
Smirnov read out excerpts from the protocol “of the interrogation of Gerhard
Adametz (Exhibit USSR-80, Document Number USSR-80), taken by an American army lieutenant, Patrick McMahon,” in which there was talk of the activities of the “Sonderkommando 1005-A” and “1005-B.”663

see the bold text

But what about the Albert Hartl the former head of the Church Information Services at the Reich Security Main Office told her that in January
1942 he was invited to lunch at the dacha of Brigadier Max Thomas near Kiev in the Carlo Mattogno The Einsatzgruppen in the Occupied Eastern Territories
https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/39-te.pdf
page 569
(Sereny, p. 97):

“‘I was going with Standartenführer (Colonel) Blobel,’ he said. ‘I hardly knew
him but he was invited to dinner too, so we went together. It was evening and just
getting dark. At one moment – we were driving along a long ravine. I noticed
strange movements of the earth: clumps of earth rose into the air as if by their
own propulsion – and there was smoke: it was like a low-toned volcano; as if
there was burning lava just beneath the earth. Blobel laughed, made a gesture
with his arm, pointing back along the road and ahead of us, all along the ravine –
the ravine of Babi Yar – an said: ‘here lie my 30,000 Jews.’”

we have the witness from the NS Germany too

and from Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderaktion_1005

Survivors of a Sonderkommando 1005 unit stand next to a mill used to crush bones at the Janowska concentration camp following its liberation in 1944


Burning of bodies at Auschwitz-Birkenau by Sonderkommando prisoners in 1944 (secret photo by prisoner Alberto Errera)

[Otium]

Surely you're not actually suggesting that such a story is true are you? This isn't actually convincing to you? The claim that smoke was bellowing out of the earth from mounds of dirt like a volcano? Seriously? There's a dictum to judge (impossible) nonsense like this. A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And that's the logical thing to do here.

Anyway. I'm not sure what exactly you're presenting here that you would think warrants a rebuttal.

The 'bone grinding mill' is nonsense as already been definitively refuted. It's unsalvageable: 'The Bone Mill of Lemberg' by
Klaus Schwensen https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/5/3/3220 In short, it's Soviet propaganda. Shocking I know.

And, in any case, this claim rests on the prerequisite assumption that there were bones of murdered people to be crushed. If you cannot prove that, then this 'bone grinding machine' is all but a ball mill, with no sinister connotation whatsoever attached to it.

[hermod]

But what about the Albert Hartl the former head of the Church Information Services at the Reich Security Main Office told her that in January
1942 he was invited to lunch at the dacha of Brigadier Max Thomas near Kiev in the Carlo Mattogno The Einsatzgruppen in the Occupied Eastern Territories
https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/39-te.pdf
page 569
(Sereny, p. 97):

“‘I was going with Standartenführer (Colonel) Blobel,’ he said. ‘I hardly knew
him but he was invited to dinner too, so we went together. It was evening and just
getting dark. At one moment – we were driving along a long ravine. I noticed
strange movements of the earth: clumps of earth rose into the air as if by their
own propulsion – and there was smoke: it was like a low-toned volcano; as if
there was burning lava just beneath the earth. Blobel laughed, made a gesture
with his arm, pointing back along the road and ahead of us, all along the ravine –
the ravine of Babi Yar – an said: ‘here lie my 30,000 Jews.’”

we have the witness from the NS Germany too

And where there are volcanoes, there are also geysers...

P.S. Thanks for helping us to demonstrate so well the non-probative value of all testimonies and that there exists no such a thing as a reliable witness (reliable enough to exempt him from having to substantiate his charges with solid physical evidence), Dugong Terbang.

https://postimg.cc/cKwnSjnR

Enough testimonial BS. This is not a bigfoot hunt.

[Dugong_Terbang]

Surely you're not actually suggesting that such a story is true are you? This isn't actually convincing to you? The claim that smoke was bellowing out of the earth from mounds of dirt like a volcano? Seriously? There's a dictum to judge (impossible) nonsense like this. A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And that's the logical thing to do here.

This is probably why the smoke came out from the ground
https://books.google.co.id/books?id=Van ... d.&f=false

He told that during his visit in August He himself observed the burrning of the bodiesin a mass grave near Kiev. This grave was about 55 m long, 3m wide and 2-1/2 m deep. After the top had been removed the bodies were covered with inflammable material and ignited. It took about two days until the grave burned down to the bottom. He himself observed that the fire had glowed down to the bottom. After that the grave was filled in and the traces practically obliterated.

[Dugong_Terbang]

But what about the Albert Hartl the former head of the Church Information Services at the Reich Security Main Office told her that in January
1942 he was invited to lunch at the dacha of Brigadier Max Thomas near Kiev in the Carlo Mattogno The Einsatzgruppen in the Occupied Eastern Territories
https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/39-te.pdf
page 569
(Sereny, p. 97):

“‘I was going with Standartenführer (Colonel) Blobel,’ he said. ‘I hardly knew
him but he was invited to dinner too, so we went together. It was evening and just
getting dark. At one moment – we were driving along a long ravine. I noticed
strange movements of the earth: clumps of earth rose into the air as if by their
own propulsion – and there was smoke: it was like a low-toned volcano; as if
there was burning lava just beneath the earth. Blobel laughed, made a gesture
with his arm, pointing back along the road and ahead of us, all along the ravine –
the ravine of Babi Yar – an said: ‘here lie my 30,000 Jews.’”

we have the witness from the NS Germany too

P.S. Thanks for helping us to demonstrate so well the non-probative value of all testimonies and that there exists no such a thing as a reliable witness (reliable enough to exempt him from having to substantiate his charges with solid physical evidence), Dugong Terbang. :wink

That's from confession that was said by Albert Hartl the former head of the Church Information Services at the Reich Security Main Office to the Gitta Sereny, you said he was not a reliable witness ??

And well, thank you for providing me "Blood Geyser" lol i thought it was a purely joke in the chan forum

[hermod]

That's from confession that was said by Albert Hartl the former head of the Church Information Services at the Reich Security Main Office to the Gitta Sereny, you said he was not a reliable witness ??

Yes, that's what I was saying. Was a false testimony his strategy to avoid a lawsuit against himself in the Jew-owned U.S. vassal state of postwar Germany? Or had he another reason to produce a false testimony? I don't know. But a testimony is always a series of words devoid of any probative value anyway.

[Otium]

This is probably why the smoke came out from the ground
https://books.google.co.id/books?id=Van ... d.&f=false

He told that during his visit in August He himself observed the burrning of the bodiesin a mass grave near Kiev. This grave was about 55 m long, 3m wide and 2-1/2 m deep. After the top had been removed the bodies were covered with inflammable material and ignited. It took about two days until the grave burned down to the bottom. He himself observed that the fire had glowed down to the bottom. After that the grave was filled in and the traces practically obliterated.

No. This is a completely different description from that which you posted above.

Above it was claimed 'clumps of earth rose into the air as if by their own propulsion', here 'the top had been removed'. The former indicates, insanely, that the earth covering the bodies (how many?) was so disturbed by some activity below that it turned into volcanic eruptions, in which dirt flew into the air and smoke poured out. This is nonsense.

This sounds as if we're expected to believe that dirt only covered a top later of this grave like a lid on a Tupperware container, suspended above a cavernous mass grave of corpses. If you dig a hole in the ground and build a fire, and you dump enough dirt on it, it will smother the fire, and smoke will not seep out from the earth, let alone blow it into the air. And as far as I know the Germans didn't utilize volcanic vents in the earth for their misdeeds.

The second description is nonsense too. This wouldn't work. It sounds as if this fiction envisioned by the man with his pants on fire here is describing a rather large, deep pit, some 2-1/2 m deep apparently (I cannot readily visualise this) with corpses filling it. And somehow this bottom layer of corpses is supposed to have been obliterated from putting inflammable material on the top? Seriously? We're expected to believe this inflammable material, in an open air cremation, was hot enough to burn through however many layers of bodies and completely obliterate all the evidence? Absolutely not. This is rubbish.

Was Albert Hartl even there long enough to see the process from beginning to end? This would take hours upon hours. If not days. That's a very long lunch wouldn't you say?

[Hektor]

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That's from confession that was said by Albert Hartl the former head of the Church Information Services at the Reich Security Main Office to the Gitta Sereny, you said he was not a reliable witness ??

And well, thank you for providing me "Blood Geyser" lol i thought it was a purely joke in the chan forum

Are prisoners of cults or priestesses of that cult reliable witnesses, when it comes to core issues concerning the cult?

And then what he tells is so preposterous on its face. One got to wonder what the motive was. Again, its kind of like miracle stories of cults and testimony during witchcraft trial about having sexual intercourse with the devil, while his semen is ice cold.
And before you insist that testimony from witchcraft trials was extracted under torture (And that there is no sign of Hartl being tortured). More than often it was not.

There is of course a psychological effect on people that are innocent and then being accused of having committed outrageous crimes. Do some introspection, in what psychological condition would you be after that would be done to you for decades?!