Archie wrote:Lamprecht wrote:Was the allegation of mass murder by homicidal gas chamber actually in this declaration?
The Polish report that was distributed to the Allied governments and that prompted the declaration does
mention gassing (and electrocution).
As far as is known, the trains were despatched to three localities---Tremblinka, Belzec and Sobibor, to what the reports describe as "Extermination camps." The very method of transport was deliberately calculated to cause the largest possible number of casualties among the condemned Jews. It is reported that on arrival in camp the survivors were stripped naked and killed by various means, including poison gas and electrocution. The dead were interred in mass graves dug by machinery.
But the actual text of the Dec 1942 declaration condemns only the "
extermination" of the Jews with
no reference to gassing. And I suppose the language really doesn't imply gassing either. "The infirm are left to die of exposure and starvation or are deliberately massacred in mass executions. The number of victims of these bloody cruelties is reckoned in many hundreds of thousands of entirely innocent men, women and children."
So on second thought, I should have said the 1942 declaration was the first time the Allied governments endorsed the Jewish extermination claims in a general sense but without any explicit endorsement of the Polish government's gassing claims.
Regarding the deletion of gas chamber references, the documents on Irving's site appear to be from the later November 1, 1943 declaration. Interestingly, not only does that declaration not make reference to gassing, it doesn't mention Jews either. One wonders what sort of conversations might have occurred over the language of the 1942 declaration.
https://www.cvce.eu/content/publication/2004/2/12/699fc03f-19a1-47f0-aec0-73220489efcd/publishable_en.pdf
Well, if you are not specific on method, event or place, it's more difficult to challenge you on those. Extermination can mean almost anything with a negative impact on a group. On the other hand, who can really disprove your allegations then? The worst thing that can happen is that you go over the top in the mind of people and they brush it off as a propaganda stunt, not to be taken seriously. So rather build on existing rumours or stuff that already made the round, meaning you retype the releases with slight modifications of other outlets. E.g. in WW2 the Poles publish something the French have, the British pick up on what the Poles distributed. The Soviets take over there and add to the British. To the public mind this seems as if they are confirming each other and hence they assume at least some truth to the media statements. After all, there can't be a conspiracy with all those governments, organisations, newspapers and radio stations in cahoots with each other, right?
The atrocity allegations in the document seem to be remotely related to reprisals against partisans and their helpers. E.g. take note of:
Thus, Germans who take part in wholesale shootings of Italian officers or in the execution of French, Dutch, Belgian or Norwegian hostages or of Cretan peasants, or who have shared in the slaughters inflicted on the people of Poland or in the territories of the Soviet Union which are now being swept clear of the enemy, will know that they will be brought back to the scene of their crimes and judged on the spot by the peoples whom they have outraged.
That's of course quite hypocritical of them, since they'd acted in exactly the same way (or worse) within the same situation.
It's possible that at a stage that early the Allied spin doctors deemed references to gassing as to big to swallow for the public. I'm sure they had a board of management dealing with their propaganda // psychological warfare strategy then. It would be interesting to get some more detailed records on this for further investigation.
Well, Thomas Mann did make some references to gassings earlier on. Here are some of his broadcasts via the BBC (in German):
https://archive.org/details/Thomas-Mann-Deutsche-HoererThey were recorded in the US and then moved to Britain for broadcasting via the BBC. So that already sounds like a bigger operation involving Thomas Mann, the US government and the British government at the time, possibly several other organisations as well. After all, where did Thomas Mann get this delicate information on what was supposedly happening in Germany and German occupied Europe at the time?
Bearing in mind early 20th century German/European culture and the role of the nation for a good citizen, I wonder what to think about the character of Thomas Mann, who quite willing lend his persona and voice to the Allied war effort against Germany. One can have legitimate beef with ones government and in Mann's case I'd say this was even mutual, at least after Mann was active in agitation against the NS-government from abroad.
Ask yourself how an American or Brit would be viewed, if he did something of an equivalent nature of what Thomas Mann did.