ganglere wrote:Greetings ladies and gentlemen!
The problem with the reports in various form about the activities of the Einzatskommandos, is, that when adding them up, we arrive at a total of about 2,2 millions killed jews, which is no mean feat, considering there were never more than 1,6 million of them in this area in the first place.
I may have a simplistic view on matters here, but when documents don’t match reality, they are, to say the least, fraudulent.
According to the statement of SS-Obersturmbahnführer Haensch, commanding officer of a Sonderkommando in group C during 7 weeks, reported that his kommando executed around sixty people during this period, but never any jew, simply for the reason of being a jew.
Naturally, to establish exactly how many, and who those where, that were allegedly executed, is to do what was done at Katyn, namely excavate the area.
To the best of my knowledge, this has never been done, perhaps because this had already been established as “judicial notice” and therefore, rendering any investigation into the matter superfluous.
Humbly yours,
Ganglere
Ganglere, you are spot on that the Operational Situation Reports are bogus. But these fraudulent reports only serve to prove how powerful and insidious the jew Hoaxters were. These Hoaxters managed to convince (via torture, no doubt) the Germans who handled these reports to testify that these documents were absolutely authentic. The OSRs are supposedly stored in the German National Archives in Koblenze. However, only Hoaxters are allowed to view the so called originals. The rest of us can only view "copies."
The authenticity of the Einsatzgruppen reports has never been seriously challenged. The original copies of the reports were found in the archives of the Gestapo when it was searched by the U.S. Army. A complete set of those reports were introduced at the trial of 23 members of the Einsatzgruppen. At this trial witnesses who had created the reports and who had received them testified. All stated that the reports were authentic and accurate. Currently the originals of the reports are held by the German archives at Coblentz where they are available to scholars and historians for research. The U.S. National Archives, Yad Vashem, and the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum have complete sets of copies of the original documents.
At one point in the Einsatzgruppen Trial, for example, Otto Ohlendorf, the commander of Einsatzgruppe D was asked about a report (document L-180) created by Stahlecker the commander of Einsatzgruppe A. He answered: "I have read the report of Stahlecker concerning Einsatzgruppe A, in which Stahlecker asserts that his group killed 135,000 Jews and Communists in the first four months of the program. I know Stahlecker personally, and I am of the opinion that the document is authentic."
One of the most important witnesses at the Einsatzgruppen trials was Kurt Lindow who testified on July 21, 1947. Lindow was the person responsible for receiving the reports as they came in and distributed them. As he testified:
I read most of the reports and passed them on to Dr. Knoblach, Inspector of the Criminal Police, who compiled them at first. The compilation was published daily under the title 'Operational Situation Reports - U.S.S.R.' These reports were stenciled and I corrected them. Afterwards they were mimeographed and distributed. The originals of the reports which were sent to the Reich Security Main Office [RHSA] were mostly signed by the commander of the Einsatzgruppe or his deputy. . . . . . .
On the strength of my positions as deputy chief and later on chief of subdepartment IV A 1, I consider myself a competent witness, able to confirm that the 'Operational Situation Reports -- U.S.S.R." which was published by the chief of security police and the security service under file marked IV A 1 were compiled entirely from the original reports of the Einsatzgruppen reaching my subdepartment by wireless or by letter.
NMT Vol. IV, pp. 99-100.
In his testimony Lindow also verified that the reports in evidence were authentic and that the initials on the reports were those of his superiors. After his testimony the defendants in the Einsatzgruppen trial stipulated to the authenticity of the reports.
The reports have also been tested in other courts as well and found to be authentic. The Jaeger Report, for example, covers the murders committed Einsatzkommando 3 of Einsatzgruppe A in Lithuania. It was recently used in the denaturalization trial of Jonas Stelmokas in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania in 1995. Stelmokas was accused of being an officer in a Lithuanian militia unit cooperating with Einsatzgruppen A. After the challenges to the report by the defense were considered, the Jaeger Report was found to be authentic and reliable both by the trial court and an appellate court which considered an appeal of the case. U.S. v. Stelmokas 100 F.3rd 302 (3rd. Cir.; 1996)
We should ignore any testimony by the Germans affirming the authenticity of reports corroberating astronomical death tolls in these so called genocidal mass shootings. The investigations were part of victors justice, and it was so obvious that witnesses were tortured and their families threatened that we can safely assume that nothing that Hoaxters boast about the Einsatzgruppen or Babi Yar is true.
