Did the Germans really shoot 38,000 Jews at Riga

The_Skunk · Postby **The_Skunk** » 1 decade 8 years ago (Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:27 pm)

The Riga Massacre

According to Jewish witnesses ( only 2 lived ) ..... The Nazis marched 38,000 Jews from Riga to a nearby forrest where they executed them. This happened over a two day period and there was only two survivors.

Could this be true or is it just another ridiculous story ?

Click for the Riga massacre

Hannover · Postby **Hannover** » 1 decade 8 years ago (Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:09 pm)

The claim of 38,000 Jews shot is absurd and completely unsupportable.

Some baseball stadiums don't even hold 38,000. A mass grave site of this size would be easily found. Indeed, alleged 'eyewitnesses' should be able to take forensic experts to the site. They cannot, there was no such event. Simple.

I challenge any Believer to produce a verifiable forensic study. They cannot.

It's amazing the utter lack of evidence there is for the claims of the bizarro 'holocau$t' story.

- Hannover

comrade seinfeld · Postby **comrade seinfeld** » 1 decade 8 years ago (Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:30 am)

Hannover wrote:The claim of 38,000 Jews shot is absurd and completely unsupportable.

Some baseball stadiums don't even hold 38,000. A mass grave site of this size would be easily found. Indeed, alleged 'eyewitnesses' should be able to take forensic experts to the site. They cannot, there was no such event. Simple.

I challenge any Believer to produce a verifiable forensic study. They cannot.

It's amazing the utter lack of evidence there is for the claims of the bizarro 'holocau$t' story.

- Hannover

Leaving aside the question of numbers likely to have been massacred at any particular location what a revisionist such as Hannover has to demonstrate somehow is that the Germans were not able to dispose thoroughly of victims disinterred from mass graves, by means of open-air cremations, and the crushing of bones and such, as well as the removal of the ashes. I would think that it is quite likely that the Germans were able to dispose of their victims in this way. I would not think, however, that it would be possible today to determine if there had been significant soil disturbance in the past, in relation to these mass graves, although I could be wrong about this, and the precise scientific means exists to determine this.

However, as far as the alleged massacres in the Soviet Union are concerned, it is certainly not necessarily the case that this was part of an alleged systematic extermination plan, but clearly a war crime related to the fact that the Nazi ideology equated Jews with being the backbone of the Communist system, and so regarded the pacification of Jewish population areas as an essential part of anti-partisan warfare, and this apparently involved massacres. Moreover, in relation to the total number of Jews in the Soviet Union, there were, at best, according to the allegations made against the German anti-insurgents, only a minority of Jews massacred, and, as is clearly the case, there is no evidence that there was any intention to exterminate all the Soviet Jews, who, if the Germans had been able to crush the Russians, would probably have meant simply expelling all remaining Jews to what was Soviet Asia.

Hannover · Postby **Hannover** » 1 decade 8 years ago (Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:50 am)

seinfeld:

... what a revisionist such as Hannover has to demonstrate somehow is that the Germans were not able to dispose thoroughly of victims disinterred from mass graves, by means of open-air cremations, and the crushing of bones and such, as well as the removal of the ashes. I would think that it is quite likely that the Germans were able to dispose of their victims in this way. I would not think, however, that it would be possible today to determine if there had been significant soil disturbance in the past, in relation to these mass graves, although I could be wrong about this, and the precise scientific means exists to determine this.

Indeed, you are wrong. We have alleged 'eyewitnesses' who claim huge mass graves, causing the soil to undergo massive disturbance that would easily be detectable, the alleged 'eyewitnesses' could take us directly to spot. Once the soil layers are disturbed, there's no putting them back. Density, moisture content, incongruity with the surrounding ground, etc., are all flags. It's basic forensics and archaeology.

As for alleged mass cremations; remnants would abound. You can't just cremate tens of thousands and leave no traces. The tired old refuted story of the Germans digging up huge numbers of allegedly shot Jews and later cremating them is preposterous and without evidence. IOW, since there's no physical evidence of an alleged very physical act, just say the Germans made them disappear without a trace. Laughable. Seinfeld is asking me to prove a negative since he can produce no evidence. Sorry, the onus is upon the accuser to come up with credible evidence.

Also, there is the oft cited Bruns 'statements' on Riga. That absurdity is thoroughly refuted by yours truly here:

'the bogus Bruns document':
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=15
and
'Confusing: Bruns' transcript'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1181

Search 'Bruns' at this forum for more.

There is simply no evidence for the Riga massacres as alleged. It's another 'just because Jews say so' story.

- Hannover

TMoran · Postby **TMoran** » 1 decade 8 years ago (Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:29 am)

Conrad Seinfeld:

Leaving aside the question of numbers likely to have been massacred at any particular location what a revisionist such as Hannover has to demonstrate somehow is that the Germans were not able to dispose thoroughly of victims disinterred from mass graves, by means of open-air cremations, and the crushing of bones and such, as well as the removal of the ashes.

Gee, and I thought it was up to the prosecution to show there was crime. Just think of how many innocent people would have been hung or given life sentences in a U.S. court with a standard like that. There we have it the defense has to show how it would all have been impossible? Thirty eight thousand (38,000) murder victims and we have it said the number isn't important? Gee.

Well, not surprising. Holocaust standards are in a league all by themselves. Otherwise, if subjected to the same standards we find in U.S. courts there would be no Holocaust story terrorizing the world today.

Sailor · Postby **Sailor** » 1 decade 8 years ago (Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:51 pm)

the_Skunk wrote:http://home.att.net/~kimmel_a/Riga_massacre.htm

I am always amazed about testimonies concerning the disappearance of mass graves which contain that many people.

In the case of Rumbula:

Where are the bodies ?
Jews say that during the summer of 1943. Himmler issued a general order that the bodies of massacre victims buried in mass graves were to be exhumed and burned. The burning was done in secrecy, with the participants killed after the job was completed.
Ashes were thrown in the wind !!

Where can we take a look at the Himmler order? It apparantly was thrown in the wind and disappeared too!

In the case of Babi Jar a believer on the other board claims that a big flood came and washed everything away and covered it with 15 feet of mud. And that is why nobody can find the human remains of over 200,000 alleged victims.

How convenient!

Hannover · Postby **Hannover** » 1 decade 8 years ago (Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:51 pm)

In the case of Babi Jar a believer on the other board claims that a big flood came and washed everything away and covered it with 15 feet of mud. And that is why nobody can find the human remains of over 200,000 alleged victims.

Oh jheesh! How absurd. This is a lie of Biblical proportions. :roll:

Next they're going to claim that no one can find the alleged remains because they were swallowed by a whale.

- H.

The_Skunk · Postby **The_Skunk** » 1 decade 8 years ago (Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:20 pm)

Sailor wrote:
the_Skunk wrote:
In the case of Rumbula:
Where are the bodies ?
Jews say that during the summer of 1943. Himmler issued a general order that the bodies of massacre victims buried in mass graves were to be exhumed and burned. The burning was done in secrecy, with the participants killed after the job was completed.
Ashes were thrown in the wind !!

Where can we take a look at the Himmler order? It apparantly was thrown in the wind and disappeared too!

How convenient!

I am amazzed that Jewish run Universities like Harvard and Yale don't send archaeological teams to these sites

.

TruthSeeker · Postby **TruthSeeker** » 1 decade 8 years ago (Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:58 pm)

what a revisionist such as Hannover has to demonstrate somehow is that the Germans were not able to dispose thoroughly of victims disinterred from mass graves

Sir, since it is YOU who claims that there is truth behind such absurdities, it is YOU who should demonstrate how or what the Germans did, and where the remains are. Your tactics of assuming guilty until proven innocent might get you wherever you want in the jew-controlled world/media, but it won't get you anywhere HERE. Nice try. :roll:

In the same manner, by the way, you must also prove, since YOU claim that jews were "massacred", that they indeed were.

We're waiting.