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Re: Myles Power shooting his mouth off

Postby Hektor » 5 months 4 days ago (Wed Jan 04, 2023 2:21 am)

Otium wrote:I wonder, how does Myles account for the Prussian Blue is the pure homicidal gas chambers in other camps which were never used for delousing? Are we to expect these "gas chambers" met the perfect conditions, somehow, for Prussian blue to form?

I also have to comment on this from Myles' blog post:

"The book also suffers from an identity crisis as Rudolf struggles to pin down who his target audience actually is. There are sections written in a dry scientific manner, which I imagine the average revisionist would struggle with, punctuated by sections written in the style of a teenager’s MySpace page in the early 2000s. For example, why in a book that supposedly disproves the holocaust would its author think it was a good idea to randomly start talking about his birthday?"



Sounds like an attempt to disparage your opponent. Again: Why would you be interested in that, if you could actually prove your case for the Holocaust?


Otium wrote:Myles, you're just flat out lying. This is a horrible example because you don't have another one.

What he's referring to is a single quip from Germar in his book on a single occasion:

Wikipedia is probably the world’s most frequently consulted encyclopedia. In its English-language entry about Germar Rudolf one can read (last accessed on Oct. 29, 2016; yes, my birthday…):

Germar Rudolf, The Chemistry of Auschwitz: The Technology and Toxicology of Zyklon B and the Gas Chambers – A Crime-Scene Investigation (Uckfield: Castle Hill Publishers, 2020), p. 353.


Rudolf hardly just starts "talking" about his birthday. But yeah, wow, what a tangant! Good example Myles... Rudolf sure does just break out into a nonsensical stream of consciousness...



Play the man, not the ball is the tactic here. Just to keep people busy with textual garbage that hasn't any actual value in terms of understanding the issue at hand. But the 'Holocaust Debate' was actually rife with this right from the beginning.

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Re: Myles Power shooting his mouth off

Postby Otium » 5 months 4 days ago (Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:04 am)

Myles write in his blog post:

"When I previously brought attention to Rudolf’s lewd convictions it was not just because it is hilarious, but because it is a perfect example of how he and his fellow revisionists construct their arguments. They like to get bogged down in the minutiae whilst purposely ignoring the bigger picture. What I am basically saying is that cyanide-based residue is not the only evidence we have of homicidal gas chambers, and by allowing ourselves to get bogged down on the insignificant, we miss the bigger picture. We have warehouses of personal effects that once belonged to the victims, pictures from the camps when they were functional, and witness testimonies not only from people who survived the camps but from those who worked there."


This is a very interesting admission, which essentially boils down to a shallow cop-out and brazen admission that the homicidal gas chambers don't matter. This is yet again, another shift of the goal posts because the gas chamber story cannot be defended. Myles knows this but cannot say: "Okay the revisionists are right about the gas chambers".

If we've been lied to about this, then why should we believe anything any of these so-called "historians" and "scientists" say? We shouldn't, especially when they didn't have the integirty to concede to the revisionists in the first place; or better yet, the integrity to do their job objectivly and impartially by conducting the research and asking the questions themselves which would lead them to an honest conclusion.

If it's such a thing as the story of the gas chambers is an "insigificant" and "small part" of the "bigger picture" Myles, then it means you and the whole mainstream academic mafia need to abandon the gas chamber story officially and unambigously.

Myles also says:

"The evidence is in fact so robust and plentiful that those who don’t believe the holocaust happened are choosing to do so! There is no doubt in my mind that Rudolf intentionally set out to disprove the use of Zyklon-B when he traveled to Poland after being commissioned to do so by Hajo Hermann on behalf of Otto Ernst Remer. Unfortunately for Rudolf, scientific discoveries do not happen in a vacuum and if you purposely ignore the mountain of contradictory evidence to reach your distasteful conclusion as he did you are not doing science – you are attempting to excuse away your bigotry."


Myles, there's nothing "distasteful" about conclusions reached by evaluating facts, even if you disagree with the interpretations or the conclusion, this is why topics are debated. That you think any conclusion other than the preconcieved one you believe is "distasteful" says more about your own bias and inobjectivity than it does about the revisionists so-called "bigotry", none of which can be shown to exist, and if it could has nothing to do with the facts being discussed. Either the facts are facts or they're not. Nobody is the arbiter of what facts in any field, history or science can be discussed because of personal beliefs held by those who study and debate.

More importantly, if the alleged "mountain of contradictory evidence" is that which you just listed: testimony, personal effects, pictures from the camps when they were functional etc. this has nothing to do with the topic at hand which is the chemistry and alleged murder process. Since this is the topic Germar is writing about he isn't obligated to discuss this other "evidence", because it isn't necessarily relevant to what he's arguing. In cases where it is, Germar addresses it in his book which you'd know if you actually read it. Otherwise it has nothing to do with the crux of the argument which is the chemistry.

Myles again:

"When I published my first blog post on Holocaust denial 5-years ago, I had no idea how big of a project it would turn into. This was due in part to revisionists moving the goalposts at every opportunity, but now I feel it’s time to bring this project to a close."


Myles. Revisionists have been making more or less the same arguments for decades upon decades, refining them and correcting them when necessary. In your half a decade stint in half-hearted psudo-"objective" investigating of what revisionsts said all you did was snipe and character assasinate because of your bigoted, self rightous hatred of those men like Germar Rudolf which is not better shown than when you mock the personal trials and tribulations he faced in his life by call his wrongful convictions "hilarious" and mock his cultural differences.

You didn't once engage in an honest debate on the relevant facts discussed by revisionists. You didn't debate here, you didn't offer to debate with the TRS guys on their podcast, you didn't want to be shown for being the liar you are when you could twist and manipulate half-truths in obtuse 45 minute youtube videos on a platofrm that would ban any open discussion on these topics. So much for your feigned love of "objectivity" and "science". When you wouldn't engage in the topics reivsionists called you out on, you shifted the goal posts and accused revisionists of shifting them when they tried to keep you on track. But you couldn't stay on track, because to do so would mean being forced to answer tough questions you'd rather give opaque responses to, and by association and snide implication dismiss through other irrelevant avenues.

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Re: Myles Power shooting his mouth off

Postby HeiligeSturm » 5 months 4 days ago (Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:04 am)

Hektor wrote:
Another canard is that "Revisionists claim that all documents are forgeries" - Not true at all. As a matter of feasibility most documents are probably originals. It simply isn't feasible to forge millions of documents, while it is perfectly feasible to forge a small number of them, of course. So overwhelmingly the documents are real. Just that they don't happen to support the Holocaust Hypothesis.


Good points.
What comes to possibly forged documents... also rubber stamps were replicated. These were once upon a time sold on places like e-bay
and before that in obscure "antique" shops in the Baltic area.
One can still buy these stamps like the one from Sobibor for a nice price of $21.00.
https://www.kelsmilitary.com/product/WRS5.html
It seems that Dutch resistance made these stamps already in the war time.
https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn42228
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Re: Myles Power shooting his mouth off

Postby Butterfangers » 5 months 4 days ago (Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:55 pm)

Butterfangers wrote:Myles claims Rudolf "ignored the importance of temperature", and that this was how he came to his conclusions. This is blatantly false. Whoever needs confirmation that Myles is either a flat-out liar or has committed a serious oversight need only read through pages 236-240 of TCOA, again linked here: https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/02-tcoa.pdf

On second look, I missed a lot of other areas where Rudolf mentions and discusses temperature throughout the book.

In fact, using the search function (Ctrl+F) while viewing the PDF, I came up with the following (included all matches prior to "Acknowledgements" or "Appendices"):

87 matches for "temperature"
47 matches for " heat" (added a space in front of "heat" to avoid words like "theatre", etc., but allow for "heating", "heater or "heated")


That's 134 matches total for either of the above terms. Surely there are other terms which might indicate temperature (e.g. "degrees" or "insulation"), and there are also words like "unheated" or "superheated" which will be missed, but let's just include the above for now.

The Chemistry of Auschwitz, overall, is about 370 pages in length, not including "Acknowledgements" or "Appendices".

370 pages / 134 matches = ~2.8 pages per match

This means that, on average, Rudolf mentions heat and/or temperature at least once every 2.8 pages.

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Re: Myles Power shooting his mouth off

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Re: Myles Power shooting his mouth off

Postby Hektor » 5 months 3 days ago (Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:47 am)

fireofice wrote:Response by Jim Rizoli:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/R1u4vznPZ2Rr/



The documents aren't necessarily Lies. They just don't happen to support the core claims of the Holocaust narrative. At best they don't contradict it. But many documents actually do.

I realize this relates to the way Jim is expressing himself, of course. But wording is important in the debate... and it can become quite technical.

"Wooden gas chamber doors" - Now the excuse is that they weren't there, "when it happened". ... supposedly.
But they are what was shown to pilgrims. Making people believe those were there. Don't blame Revisionists for sloppy or deceptive work of Exterminationists, Myles.

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Re: Myles Power shooting his mouth off

Postby greatmystery » 5 months 3 days ago (Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:05 pm)

I did not address the matter of Oskar Gröning in my frist articles because it has nothing to do with Chemistry of Auschwitz. I just finished an article doing that today. And of course I found that Myles had to be deceitful and sneaky to make his points. The worst offense was him omitting how light Gröning's sentence was.
https://www.holocaust.claims/auschwitz- ... r-groning/

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Re: Myles Power shooting his mouth off

Postby Butterfangers » 5 months 3 days ago (Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:40 pm)

greatmystery wrote:I did not address the matter of Oskar Gröning in my frist articles because it has nothing to do with Chemistry of Auschwitz. I just finished an article doing that today. And of course I found that Myles had to be deceitful and sneaky to make his points. The worst offense was him omitting how light Gröning's sentence was.
https://www.holocaust.claims/auschwitz- ... r-groning/

Some good points there. I am not sure if you also intended to mention that the claim that Groening "saw the gas chambers" is false, based on a falsified quote. Mentioned here (toward the end of this post), with links/sources for more info:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14741&start=30#p107358

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Re: Myles Power shooting his mouth off

Postby Hektor » 5 months 3 days ago (Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:07 pm)

Butterfangers wrote:
greatmystery wrote:I did not address the matter of Oskar Gröning in my frist articles because it has nothing to do with Chemistry of Auschwitz. I just finished an article doing that today. And of course I found that Myles had to be deceitful and sneaky to make his points. The worst offense was him omitting how light Gröning's sentence was.
https://www.holocaust.claims/auschwitz- ... r-groning/

Some good points there. I am not sure if you also intended to mention that the claim that Groening "saw the gas chambers" is false, based on a falsified quote. Mentioned here (toward the end of this post), with links/sources for more info:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14741&start=30#p107358


Yes, since I recalled it a little, I also thought of this, when Myles brought up Groening and essentially misquoted him. The video also shows that Groening was misguided on what "Holocaust Deniers" actually claim, too. "Denying Auschwitz"... In Germany Holocaust Revisionists were frequently called "Auschwitzleugner" meaning Auschwitz Deniers. That was a debating trick to create the impression with the audience that Revisionists deny the existence of concentration camps. It seems the Holocaustians want to avoid any debate on what the concentration camps were and what happened there. Meaning they don't want to discuss what evidence there is for homicidal gassings and whether it is actually convincing in a rational and empirical way.

That's btw why Myles is quibbling about 'denier literature on 'the chemistry of Auschwitz'. It gives him a chance to contradict arguments and find (supposed) faults with it. That way they can distract from the fact that they had almost 80 years to make a case with conclusive evidence supporting their claims, but never managed to do so. Instead they come up with court room theatrics of 'testimony', 'confessions', 'piles of evidence', 'best documented genocide', etc.

And this actually is strong proof that the claims and narrative is actually false. For, if it was right, they could simply have done the research in a rational and objective manner and presented it. That would of course also have to outline limitations and problems with the evidence. Something they never addressed but respond to evasively, when they are confronted with it.

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Re: Myles Power shooting his mouth off

Postby greatmystery » 5 months 2 days ago (Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:35 am)

Butterfangers wrote:
greatmystery wrote:I did not address the matter of Oskar Gröning in my frist articles because it has nothing to do with Chemistry of Auschwitz. I just finished an article doing that today. And of course I found that Myles had to be deceitful and sneaky to make his points. The worst offense was him omitting how light Gröning's sentence was.
https://www.holocaust.claims/auschwitz- ... r-groning/

Some good points there. I am not sure if you also intended to mention that the claim that Groening "saw the gas chambers" is false, based on a falsified quote. Mentioned here (toward the end of this post), with links/sources for more info:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14741&start=30#p107358


I considered adding that, however they claim that the they guy said it, but they cut it out of the video. Which is a major cope and leads one to wonder why they cut that important part out. But because my site is about refuting claims that the officials make I decided not to include it in my article.

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Re: Myles Power: A Review of the Chemistry of Auschwitz

Postby Hektor » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:02 pm)

Lamprecht wrote:Myles made a blog post today:
....
Rudolf addresses Green's arguments multiple times in the book.

Myles continues:
Myles Power wrote:Oskar Gröning was a German SS Unterscharführer whose responsibilities included counting and sorting the money taken from prisoners at the Auschwitz concentration camp. After the war, he returned to Germany where he led a normal life, reluctant to talk about his time at the death camp for more than 40 years later until learning about Holocaust denial. He obtained a pamphlet by the Holocaust denier Thies Christophersen which he then mailed back to Christophersen having written his own commentary on it condemning Holocaust denial which included the following.
I saw everything. The gas chambers, the cremations, the selection process. One and a half million Jews were murdered in Auschwitz. I was there.” – Oskar Gröning

First off, this statement is recent (less than 10 years ago) and made in Germany where "Holocaust denial" is a crime.
Second, it's not an accurate quote. See: viewtopic.php?t=7622
....

Christophersen didn't see the (homicidal) gas chambers. And he was there as well. Is btw. far more detailed on what he is telling. And what he say is sincere and believable.

And guess why many of the former camp staff was 'reluctant to talk'. They didn't want the harassment that could promptly follow.


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