Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

[Werd]

Well David Cole is claiming that when Himmler issued his directive in June 1943 to empty all the ghettos in Ostland, it was impossible to send them further east. But if you recall the Korherr report says that even by 1942, many Jews had been deported to Soviet Russia. And as I said, there are many examples in that thread I linked up about Jews making it to the Soviet Union. I.E. Being evacuated to the Soviet Union was apparently not a problem. So I fail to see why Cole thinks it should be one. Especially considering the topics Russian gauge and the Holocaust and Germany & railway bottlenecks in the east. It seems that not even those on the other side of the holocaust debate can deny that Germans almost got immediatly to work on changing the railway system after Barbarossa.

If you genuinely think there is a bone to throw Cole on this issue, then go ahead. But I wouldn't. The most I would give him is that the Irving quote he pulled out of Hitler's War in his response to Eric Hunt is probably correct. And not even Mattogno, Graf or Kues were going to omit the part from Kube's July 31 report that women and children were liquidated too. Cole can have that bone if he wants. But that's just about all he is entitled to.

[borjastick]

I've been doing some calculations (certainly this must have been done before but I am interested in the numbers bandied about willy nilly) to see if there is some basic common sense to be applied to all this.

The Korherr report's figure show 3,926,316 persons evacuated east out of the sphere of mainstream German control. It also says that the figures do not include those in ghettos and camps, though I find this a little odd as it also uses this phrase 'sifted' through camps. To my understanding no one has ever explained this word and its use properly.

However if one adds the likely totals for ghettos and camps it could well be more than an additional 1,000,000, thus taking our total to 5m or thereabouts.

If you then look at the legal emigrations of Jews from Germany prior to the war of about 400,000 and a figure for the Russians moving jews from the advancing German troops in operation Barbarosa of about 1.8m we are already at a figure of about 7.2m jews!!

Then you add in all those who claim to have survived and escaped and the figure becomes more than bizarre. How many jews were there? To my mind the figures are just ridiculously high.

I have read in several books and papers that the figure under German influence and or control during the war was no more than 4m. and apparently 5m claimed reparations etc, though I accept these weren't all direct case of survivorship.

[Hannover]

borjastick:
You remind me of one of the people that are referred to here:

These Holocaust deniers are very slick people. They justify everything they say with facts and figures.

- Steven Some, Chairman of the New Jersey Commission on Holocaust Education, Newark Star-Ledger, 23 Oct. 1996, p 15.

As for the alleged Kube document, critical questions remain, from: Hannover @ Legitimate Nazi Atrocities

- Has anyone actually seen the original Kube document that we see a 'translation' for?
- Why is the original not routinely shown alongside the alleged 'translation'?
- Where was it supposedly found?
- When was it found?
- Who supposedly found it?

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. Truth needs no protection from scrutiny. The tide is turning.

- Hannover

[carlo_ch]

In my view, the key sentence is this one in section VII of the Korherr report (“The Jews in the concentration camps”):

“Nicht enthalten sind die im Zuge der Evakuierungsaktion in den Konzentrationslagern Auschwitz und Lublin untergebrachten Juden.” (Not counted are the Jews being accommodated in Auschwitz and Lublin as part of the evacuation action)

Thus, if “evacuation” really is a codeword for extermination, this would imply that Jews were also systematically killed/gassed in Auschwitz and Lublin. If by now we exclude that Jews were systematically killed/gassed at these two camps, it follows that “evacuation” most likely wasn’t a codeword.

( Note: A third possibility is that “Evakuation” really was a codeword, but the Jews “marked for evacuation” were not killed/gassed at Auschwitz and Lublin, but were going to be sent to one of the Reinhardt camps and killed/gassed there.)

As a German native speaker, I do not agree that Korherr’s words “Abgang” and “zurückgegangen” likely imply death. They appear to be used in a purely technical/statistical sense. If Jews were transferred out of what the national socialists at the time defined as “Europe”, Korherr would call that “Abgang”. Nevertheless, it’s true that theoretically, these words can also be used in a more figurative sense.

I agree with David that the revisionist case for “what happened to the 2.5 million jews” is not yet water proof. The missing pieces may likely be locked in some Russian archives. Then again, from a legal perspective, the presumption of innocence must apply until proofed otherwise. The quotes from Gerlach and Kube/Lohse may indicate that several tens of thousand Jews were killed/shot in the East, either because of (potential or actual) partisan activity or simply because the SS/SD couldn’t handle that many Jews. But these quotes do not proof that several hundred thousands or even a few million Jews were killed/gassed at the Reinhardt camps.

In my view, the most important steps to advance the revisionist case and possibly refute of what remains of the exterminationst allegations are 1) professional investigation of the ground at Treblinka, Sobibor etc, and 2) publicly demand access to Russian archives.

[Hannover]

Carlo:

I agree with David that the revisionist case for “what happened to the 2.5 million jews” is not yet water proof. The missing pieces may likely be locked in some Russian archives. Then again, from a legal perspective, the presumption of innocence must apply until proofed otherwise. The quotes from Gerlach and Kube/Lohse may indicate that several tens of thousand Jews were killed/shot in the East, either because of (potential or actual) partisan activity or simply because the SS/SD couldn’t handle that many Jews. But these quotes do not proof that several hundred thousands or even a few million Jews were killed/gassed at the Reinhardt camps.

In my view, the most important steps to advance the revisionist case and possibly refute of what remains of the exterminationst allegations are 1) professional investigation of the ground at Treblinka, Sobibor etc, and 2) publicly demand access to Russian archives.

Get serious.

- The Russian archives are / have been available to 'exterminationists' yet they have shown us nothing to support pseudo-quasi-Revisionist Cole or the standard storyline.
- As I posted, The Kube 'document' cannot even be shown to exist as it is alleged. Making claims of a document without presenting the actual document would be laughed out of a legit court of law. The matter is only worthy of ridicule.
- The simple fact that actual excavations of the camps are not permitted (no, its not because of self serving excuses of fictitious 'Jewish law' which does permit excavations and exhumations) says all that anyone needs to know. The alleged mass graves are just not there.

Air tight, water proof.

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. Truth needs no protection from scrutiny. The tide is turning.

- Hannover

[borjastick]

The other thing to consider with regard to the 'truth' buried inside the Russian archives is that it's a time bomb of lies and obfuscation. Just remember the thousands of docs they produced at Nuremberg which were dodgy at best and most likely faked. They only ever had copies and translations never hard originals.

Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive. - Sir Walter Scott (Marmion, 1808)

Remember the tv documentary about Hitler's skull being in a Russian archive. When they did a DNA test it turned out to be that of a female... woops!

Letting people inside the Russian archives to find the truth will tell us more about the lies of the regime than what actually did or didn't happen in the holocaust.

[Mala]

Eric Hunt:

David Cole refuses to debate... It's no surprise he doesn't want to debate.

No, it is not a suprise.

But what is surprising to me is your refusal to answer questions that have been posed to you on this forum and this thread.

You made this statement:

More importantly, the Germans did leave evidence of the number of dead at Treblinka Camp; they left several graves with a few hundred bodies in them and they left a small number of pits with partially cremated human remains in them.

And refused to answer these two questions:

#1

At Treblinka ( II ) - it is known, with the utmost certainty that, as of - 6/1/14 - no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science, literally - physically unearthed / tangibly located - scientifically verified human remains.

#2

Mr. Hunt, please give your source and reasoning for the statement below. Do you mean about 5,000? Certainly any number lower than 5,000 can mean "less than 5,000". “

Although, they left the remains of less than 5,000 people.

Thank you, B.

You also claimed that the person who quoted this statement:

WHAT PHYSICAL EVIDENCE? - Over the years, there have been no less than 4 major so-called “crime scene” investigations of Treblinka, and a number of major investigations of the other 3 camps as well - yet to date, it can still be categorically stated that archaeologists / forensic investigators have never located / proven the existence of even one mass grave at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka ( II ) that contains so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the alleged buried bodies - NOT ONE!

Was saying "there's no evidence for the 900,000 Jewish dead in mass graves," which is not at all what was quoted.

Now I would like to add a question #3:

Is this statement:

Archaeologists / forensic investigators have never located / proven the existence of even one mass grave at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka ( II ) that contains so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the alleged buried bodies - NOT ONE!

True or false?

Complaining that colestein is dodging you while you dodge questions yourself is very hypocritical Eric.

[Eric Hunt]

Relax, Mr. Gerdes I'm not dodging anything. Thank you again for all your perseverance bringing light to the Treblinka scam for many years.

You made this statement:

More importantly, the Germans did leave evidence of the number of dead at Treblinka Camp; they left several graves with a few hundred bodies in them and they left a small number of pits with partially cremated human remains in them.

I have to say that the first part has not been proven by the archaeological investigations. That sentence was actually suggested by a trusted Revisionist who was helping me shape the Cole rebuttal, which was released quickly after his attack. The few hundred bodies figure hasn't been justified yet by archaeology. Although, it's entirely possible such graves exist if 900,000 Jews actually transited through this area (deaths occurring via transit, mostly). One day we will get a complete archaeological investigation of the site and the existence of hundreds of bodies or cremated remains shouldn't be a surprise.

I will reword it, thanks for correcting that.


And refused to answer these two questions:

#1

At Treblinka ( II ) - it is known, with the utmost certainty that, as of - 6/1/14 - no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science, literally - physically unearthed / tangibly located - scientifically verified human remains.

You'd have to refer to the 1946 Polish report on that. Colls isn't allowed to penetrate the ground because the chief rabbi of Poland, who's actually from New York, won't let her. The 46 investigation came up mostly empty handed which is why Colls is out to prove something. And failing in spectacular hoax-busting fashion.

#2

Mr. Hunt, please give your source and reasoning for the statement below. Do you mean about 5,000? Certainly any number lower than 5,000 can mean "less than 5,000". “

Although, they left the remains of less than 5,000 people.

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This is another sentence suggested by the Revisionist who was helping me shape the article. He was going by the 1946 investigation. Judging from that, they found the remains of less than 5,000 people.

Now I would like to add a question #3:

Is this statement:

Archaeologists / forensic investigators have never located / proven the existence of even one mass grave at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka ( II ) that contains so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the alleged buried bodies - NOT ONE!

True or false?

They are coming up empty handed at Sobibor and are rushing now to build a visitors center inside the camp and put concrete all over in order to cover up the hoax.

Colls is a joke and the non-invasive techniques are as worthless as the sharks teeth she found when she discovered a depression in the GPR radar. Not much at Treblinka.

At Belzec, Kola have claimed 33 graves. To our satisfaction, this isn't proven.

Thank you Mr. Gerdes!

[Werd]

http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/5335

Steve says:
August 15, 2014 at 5:53 pm

Eric Hunt claims that Cole is saying Jews were gassed to death in the Reinhardt camps. When did he say that gassing was the method used? All I can see is Cole pointing to admissions of Jews being SHOT, or just “liquidated” and synonyms for the latter.

Well I guess that would mean that all the testimonies about gas chambers in Treblinka are wrong. In other words, Arad and Wiernik's personal claims as well as the claims they quote from Polish Underground reports are also wrong. And that would also mean that sonderkommandos did not pick through the bodies for gold before dragging them to the pits to be burned all before the dark ruddy red colour of livor mortis could set in from the blood spilling out of all the vessels and settling in the body. Well maybe they did, but they didn't do it after the gas chambers if there were no gas chambers. So then we would have to wonder why the so called eyewitnesses would tell the truth about plundering corpses for gold, but lie about the way in which they were killed.

One would think with the technology available, they could use non invasive procedures to detect any possible bullets buried below the ground decades after the war. They found other bones, including bones and ash on the surface. If there are no bullets left because the nazis picked them up after mass execution by bullets, then where are the testimonies about the nazis doing a bullet cleanup every once in a while? Why can witnesses recall every single detail about alleged gas chambers and bone crushing procedures that reduce any leftover bones to ash after cremation, but no witness can describe the bullet cleanup procedures? Is it because that didn't happen, either?

[Werd]

And if there are bullet cleanup testimonies that I missed, how can I be expected to believe the nazis got every single one? Were they supposed to be that diligant? And if there are no bullets, they must have used gas chambers. But that doesn't work for scientific reasons either. Why is it the hoaxers hang on to this nonsense so dearly?

[Mala]

Erich Hunt:

Thank you Mr. Gerdes!

Thank you for the compliment Mr. Hunt!


Eric:

The few hundred bodies figure hasn't been justified yet by archaeology.

Hasn't been "justified?" Interesting terminology. Don't you mean "proven?"


Eric Hunt:

I will reword it, thanks for correcting that.

Your welcome. I need to correct the wording on some things here as well, which I'll do shortly.


Eric:

You'd have to refer to the 1946 Polish report on that.

That is not an answer to the question that was posed to you Eric, which is:

At Treblinka ( II ) - it is known, with the utmost certainty that, as of - 6/1/14 - no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science, literally - physically unearthed / tangibly located - scientifically verified human remains.

The only correct answer appears to be numeric, as is 0 or 1 or 2 or 3 etc.

Stop dodging the question Mr. Hunt. (If you don't know what the answer is, just say so.)


Eric:

They are coming up empty handed at Sobibor and are rushing now to build a visitors center inside the camp and put concrete all over in order to cover up the hoax.

Colls is a joke and the non-invasive techniques are as worthless as the sharks teeth she found when she discovered a depression in the GPR radar. Not much at Treblinka.

At Belzec, Kola have claimed 33 graves. To our satisfaction, this isn't proven.

I will reword my second question now.


Mr. Hunt, is the following statement:

Archaeologists / forensic investigators have never located / proven the existence of even one mass grave at Treblinka ( II ) that contains the remains of so-much as 19 bodies - NOT ONE!

True. or False.

?

[borjastick]

Mala you know the answer to your questions so why does it matter that someone else answers them using language that you supply. It's like a stuck record, we all know the answers so what's your point?

The holocaust believers won't answer your questions, that much we know. The others like Mr Hunt haven't answered them but does that prove anything or have I missed something here?

[Mala]

borjastick:

Mala you know the answer to your questions so why does it matter that someone else answers them using language that you supply. It's like a stuck record, we all know the answers so what's your point?

The holocaust believers won't answer your questions, that much we know. The others like Mr Hunt haven't answered them but does that prove anything or have I missed something here?

borjastick, what do you mean "we all know the answers"?

If "we all know," then why do Eric and his "trusted revisionist" friend disagree on what the answers are?

Your statements make no sense. If the answers are known by all, including you, then why doesn't someone, especially you, just answer them?

Why are so many people so afraid to answer two simple questions?

Don't be afraid borjastick, and don't play games like Eric is; just tell us what the answers are.

[borjastick]

borjastick:

Mala you know the answer to your questions so why does it matter that someone else answers them using language that you supply. It's like a stuck record, we all know the answers so what's your point?

The holocaust believers won't answer your questions, that much we know. The others like Mr Hunt haven't answered them but does that prove anything or have I missed something here?

borjastick, what do you mean "we all know the answers"?

If "we all know," then why do Eric and his "trusted revisionist" friend disagree on what the answers are?

Your statements make no sense. If the answers are known by all, including you, then why doesn't someone, especially you, just answer them?

Why are so many people so afraid to answer two simple questions?

Mala

My post stands. It doesn't matter what I know and say because I have no power or authority. Your questions need to be answered by people like Caroline Sturdy Colls, the USHMM and other holocaust promoters. I don't think any revisionists are 'scared' as you say. The answers are as obvious as the nose on your face.

Don't be afraid borjastick, and don't play games like Eric is; just tell us what the answers are.

[Mala]

borjastick:

The answers are as obvious as the nose on your face.

You're playing games and dodging questions borjastick:.

Don 't be afraid. just give us the two answers that you claim everyone knows:

#1

At Treblinka ( II ) - it is known, with the utmost certainty that, as of - 6/1/14 - no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science, literally - physically unearthed / tangibly located - scientifically verified human remains.

#2

Is the following statement:

Archaeologists / forensic investigators have never located / proven the existence of even one mass grave at Treblinka ( II ) that contains the remains of so-much as 19 bodies - NOT ONE!

True. or False.

?