Most laughable Nuremberg/IMT-allegations

[Whodunnit?]

Hello,

an important part of my "red pilling" was becoming aware of what the Nazis were actually accused of. Nonsense like this (I posted it already, it's from the book "The Holocaust Diaries" by Gustave Gilbert)

"Justice Jackson proceeded to describe the specific actions undertaken in this program leading to extermination: the infamous Nuremberg Laws of 1935; the well-planned "spon- taneous" uprising of November 9-10, 1938; the instigated pogroms and mass executions in the East from 1941 on; the
sadistic cruelty, torture, starvation and mass murder in the concentration camps—not to mention such sidelights as "scientific experiments" like freezing male victims almost to death and warming them back to life by sexual intercourse with the "animal heat" of naked gypsies. "Here Nazi degeneracy reached its nadir. I dislike to encumber your records with such morbid tales, but we are in the grim business of trying men as criminals . . . Our proof will be disgusting, and you will say I have robbed you of your sleep. But these are the things that have turned the stomach of the world and set every civilized hand against Nazi Germany."

Unfortunately I do not have a link to the original document. Maybe somebody can help out. This story will always have a special place in my heart, because I read the book as somebody who was still on the fence, and I remember how this passage just made me laugh so hard I had to put the book away.
It's just incredible what they got away with and thought they could go away with forever.

So what I'd like this thread to be is a collection of the most ludicrous Nuremberg/IMT-allegations, and also a clarification where some of the memes like "masturbation machines" actually come from.

In my opinion it is valuable to make good arguments. But don't underestimate the effect it has when you show people what ridiculous things actually constituted the Nuremberg-indictment. What I highlighted above does not require any explanation. It doesn't matter if there is a piece of paper with the proper stamps on it or a Nazi confession. In my opinion most people will immediately recognize this as nonsense. In fact, it makes it even better if there is a piece of paper with the proper stamps on it and a Nazi-confession, because then most people will be very sceptical of all other "documents".

I quote Saul Alinsky:
"Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

If you make people laugh about something or someone, they will never take this person or that thing seriously again. The Holocaust-narrative has to be taken seriously. You can ban "denying" something. But it is going to be very difficult to do something about jokes and mockery. In my opinion, the ridiculousness of some of the allegations is the achilles heel.

So can we have a thread where we just collect the most ridiculous allegations? Not in anecdotal form, but with the actual evidence that these allegations were in fact made

[Hektor]

Hello,

an important part of my "red pilling" was becoming aware of what the Nazis were actually accused of. Nonsense like this (I posted it already, it's from the book "The Holocaust Diaries" by Gustave Gilbert)

"Justice Jackson proceeded to describe the specific actions undertaken in this program leading to extermination: the infamous Nuremberg Laws of 1935; the well-planned "spon- taneous" uprising of November 9-10, 1938; the instigated pogroms and mass executions in the East from 1941 on; the
sadistic cruelty, torture, starvation and mass murder in the concentration camps—not to mention such sidelights as "scientific experiments" like freezing male victims almost to death and warming them back to life by sexual intercourse with the "animal heat" of naked gypsies. "Here Nazi degeneracy reached its nadir. I dislike to encumber your records with such morbid tales, but we are in the grim business of trying men as criminals . . . Our proof will be disgusting, and you will say I have robbed you of your sleep. But these are the things that have turned the stomach of the world and set every civilized hand against Nazi Germany."
....

Indeed a lot of the allegations were obvious nonsense. But with the dumbing down of the general population many people will still believe this. Just because it was said by 'witnesses' and put on record.

One of my favorites was the Rajzman testimony:

RAJZMAN: The whole process of undressing and the walk down to the gas chambers lasted, for the men 8 or 10 minutes, and for the women some 15 minutes. The women took 15 minutes because they had to have their hair shaved off before they went to the gas chambers.
MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Why was their hair cut off?
RAJZMAN: According to the ideas of the masters, this hair was to be used in the manufacture of mattresses for German women.
THE PRESIDENT: Do you mean that there was only 10 minutes between the time when they were taken out of the trucks and the time when they were put into the gas chambers?
RAJZMAN: As far as men were concerned, I am sure it did not last longer than 10 minutes.
MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Including the undressing?
RAJZMAN: Yes, including the undressing.
MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Please tell us, Witness, were the people brought to Treblinka in trucks or in trains?
RAJZMAN: They were brought nearly always in trains, and only the Jews from neighboring villages and hamlets were brought in trucks. The trucks bore inscriptions, "Expedition Speer," and came from Vinegrova Sokolova and other places.
MR. COUNSELLOR SMIRNOV: Please tell us, what was the subsequent aspect of the station at Treblinka?
RAJZMAN: At first there were no signboards whatsoever at the station, but a few months later the commander of the camp, one Kurt Franz, built a first-class railroad station with signboards. The barracks where the clothing was stored had signs reading "restaurant," "ticket office," "telegraph," "telephone," and so forth. There were even train schedules for the departure and the arrival of trains to and from Grodno, Suwalki, Vienna, and Berlin.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/02-27-46.asp

The beautiful hair of Jewish females to be gassed as fillings for the mattresses for German women. What could possibly be wrong with it. Such obviously tell tales are of course entertaining and printed in News papers they will make for some conversations of the less then intellectually privileged people reading this. So it's a bit like a marketing ploy there.


On the other hand: Can the Exterminationists point to any IMT evidence that actually supports their thesis of industrial gassing and an extermination program by NS-Germany to kill all the Jews?

[Hieldner]

Unfortunately I do not have a link to the original document. Maybe somebody can help out. This story will always have a special place in my heart, because I read the book as somebody who was still on the fence, and I remember how this passage just made me laugh so hard I had to put the book away.

The translated text of the relevant document, PS-1616, concerning Dr. Rascher’s alleged chilling experiments can be found here: The United States against Karl Brandt, et. al. Trials of war criminals before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals under Control Council law no. 10, Nuremberg, October 1946–April, 1949, vol. 1, pp. 249–51. The German “original,” a copy on microfilm, including temperature graphs of the alleged trial subjects is available here https://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/search/?q=evidence:%22PS-1616%22. The surprising result of his alleged research was that rewarming was faster with only one woman than with two, because inhibitions would be overcome more quickly in this case. The author also writes about experiments on children.

I don’t think it is unlikely that real cooling experiments were performed with prisoners, but the experiment described here is of course nonsense.

The document originates from the Seventh Army Document Center. The Seventh Army captured Nuremberg and “liberated” Dachau and was therefore closely involved with the preparation of the trials in these towns, e.g. interrogations and “discovering” documents. It had units of the OSS, the Psychological Warfare Division and the Counter Intelligence Corps in operation. The CIC seems to have been particularly concerned with producing propaganda and “catching Nazis.” It was composed to a good extent of the notorious Ritchie Boys, emigrants from Europe with knowledge of the German language who seem to have been mostly of Jewish origin.

The beautiful hair of Jewish females to be gassed as fillings for the mattresses for German women. What could possibly be wrong with it.

The gassing claim is of course nonsense, and I know nothing about the use of hair in mattresses in particular, but it was not uncommon at the time to recycle cut hair and reuse it in various products. That’s how it was done in resource-poor Germany back then, and that’s how it’s done not only in poorer countries like Russia to this day. There’s absolutely nothing criminal about it. So this claim is a bit strange and might have been aimed at the Western public.

Ankush Gupta. “Human Hair ‘Waste’ and Its Utilization: Gaps and Possibilities.” Journal of Waste Management, vol. 2014, p. 3.

See also hermod’s newspaper clippings here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14925&p=108710#p108675

So can we have a thread where we just collect the most ridiculous allegations? Not in anecdotal form, but with the actual evidence that these allegations were in fact made

On this subject, it is absolutely necessary to mention Carlos Porter’s unique collection of bizarre allegations in his book Made in Russia: The Holocaust https://jrbooksonline.com/cwporter/two2.htm. He’s just wrong on the use of hair, and there really were mobile crematory ovens. Also, some of the passages he quotes don’t mention Jews in particular.

My personal favourite was always this: forcing prisoners to climb trees and then cutting the trees down.

[Hektor]

It's of course not impossible that hair was 'reused'. But the combination there is of the 'gas chamber' narrative with 'mattresses for German woman. Point being that he was in no position to know what was done to the hair. The way the story is told also reveals him as a liar / someone that likes to tell tall tales.... Such were at the IMT, but there were such people also at e.g. the Eichmann and other 'Holocaust related trials'. Reflecting on the affair actually reveals that this was about narrative creation... And then about a blatantly false and deceptive one.

[cold beer]

It's of course not impossible that hair was 'reused'. But the combination there is of the 'gas chamber' narrative with 'mattresses for German woman. Point being that he was in no position to know what was done to the hair. The way the story is told also reveals him as a liar / someone that likes to tell tall tales.... Such were at the IMT, but there were such people also at e.g. the Eichmann and other 'Holocaust related trials'. Reflecting on the affair actually reveals that this was about narrative creation... And then about a blatantly false and deceptive one.

There's a curious absence of hair being stolen from Jewish women who were taken to camps or other locations strictly for labor. Mattress production is exclusively tied to gassing. And the hair is always Jewish. The mattresses were even labeled 'gassing mattress'.
No wait a minute, the matresses were labeled 'RJH' pure Jewish hair.

[Hektor]

It's of course not impossible that hair was 'reused'. But the combination there is of the 'gas chamber' narrative with 'mattresses for German woman. Point being that he was in no position to know what was done to the hair. The way the story is told also reveals him as a liar / someone that likes to tell tall tales.... Such were at the IMT, but there were such people also at e.g. the Eichmann and other 'Holocaust related trials'. Reflecting on the affair actually reveals that this was about narrative creation... And then about a blatantly false and deceptive one.

There's a curious absence of hair being stolen from Jewish women who were taken to camps or other locations strictly for labor. Mattress production is exclusively tied to gassing. And the hair is always Jewish. The mattresses were even labeled 'gassing mattress'.
No wait a minute, the matresses were labeled 'RJH' pure Jewish hair.

There is Zero evidence for this 'industrial practice' of making mattresses out of the hair. So it can be assumed that it is embellished story telling.
But in a climate where any obnoxious story is being believed, it will be believed by an audience primed that way.