'onetruth' & 'holocaustcontroversies' claim some forgeries of 'real cremation photos' ... I say they're ALL fake

[Hannover]

According to blogger, Zionist True Believer, 'onetruth', all versions of these photos, except two, are forgeries as mentioned in the 'holocaustcontroversies' / HC post below.

These photos have been discussed here numerous times, i.e.:
'Eric Hunt rolls over?'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10950
I wanted a specific thread for these 'photos' so they don't get buried.

Upfront I will state that I believe they are ALL clumsy forgeries which have blown up in 'The 'holocaust Industry's face, therefore their need to come up with an excuse, any excuse in attempting to distract from the fakery involved.
Note the different numbers of 'corpses', the laughable rubber armed men, the spaghetti women, the staged 'window frame', etc.

Before reading the HC post below, here are numerous examples of these 'photos' that was supposedly 'smuggled out of Auschwitz':













2 versions, less corpses in one vs. the other




I hope that's all of them, if not please post the others.

Read on and see the rationalization that is used below. According to this 'holocautcontroversies', any other versions except two are forged.
And note the reference to some TV show which I have never seen and the allegations made about it.

Read on. comments invited
[Note the original contains various links within the text, I'll get into those if someone else doesn't.]

- Hannover

If you start with false premises, everything you subsequently extrapolate from those premises will likewise carry along the original error and thus exhibit error within themselves.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... ed-by.html

A Charge of Forgery Supported by Forgery: The Smearing of a Genuine Auschwitz Photo
Author: HC Guest Blogger
a guest post by Andras Szilagyi

[An introductory note by Sergey Romanov: as I was browsing through the denier accounts on Twitter, I noticed that a new wild denier "theory" has appeared regarding the famous Auschwitz Sonderkommando photos (whose authenticity is not in any doubt despite the denier allegations). Turns out the CODOH zombies discussed it too, in all earnestness. I also found a very neat refutation of this claim on a Hungarian skeptics blog, asked the author if I could re-blog it here and got the permission. This case shows once again that there is no half-baked, harebrained conspiracy scheme that the deniers won't latch onto in order to deny the proven facts of history.]

Unsurprisingly, the process of industrial-scale genocide perpetrated in the Auschwitz death camp has been documented only by a few photographs taken on the spot. The exceptions include four photographs clandestinely taken by a few members of the Sonderkommando, the prisoners forced to dispose of the huge amount of corpses coming from the gas chambers. The photos were smuggled out of the camp in a tube of toothpaste, along with an accompanying letter. Out of the four photos, the best known is this one, showing the area of an open-air burning pit behind Crematorium V:



The photo shows the members of the Sonderkommando doing their job around the cremation pit. Smoke rises from the pit, and plenty of corpses to be cremated lie all around.

The photo has been known since 1945. Although its original negative is lost, a number of contact prints can be found in the Auschwitz Museum, along with a large print over 18 inches wide. There is also a version with lower contrast, where more details can be discerned.

Holocaust deniers question the genuinity of most Auschwitz photos. However, they used to have only a few objections regarding this photo, except trying to argue about the number of corpses, their seemingly unusual anatomical positions and the causes of their death. Recently, however, a new suggestion appeared in a few holocaust deniers' forums. Someone watched an episode of Ghost Adventures, a paranormal television series on Travel Channel, and noticed that a photo showing surprising similarity to the Auschwitz photo was presented as an illustration of a 1912 train accident that occured near Dresden, Ohio:



However, the photo presented in the programme shows much fewer corpses than the Auschwitz photo; or maybe they are not even corpses but some debris or train wreckage. Immediately, the charge was raised that the Auschwitz photo is in fact fake; it is a modified version of what is actually a photo of an 1912 Ohio train accident.

Let's examine this claim! In this episode of Ghost Adventures, titled Prospect Place, several photos are presented (around 9:00 minutes) to illustrate the train accident:





We can use Google's image search which has the nice feature that we can upload an image and search by it. Thus, we can upload screenshots from the episode and find corresponding images on the net. In a few seconds, it turns out that the first image is actually a photo of a Texas train accident (Bowie, TX) while the second one is that of a California train accident. Besides, others have already noticed that the photos of burn victims shown in the episode are actually modified versions of photos of Hiroshima bomb victims.

It is obvious, then, that Ghost Adventures didn't present photos of the actual 1912 Ohio train accident. The crew probably used Google's image search to find old photos to illustrate the topic, and they modified them to fit their needs. We cannot really blame them for this; after all, this is not a historical documentary. It is a paranormal show for entertainment purposes. The train accident is not the main topic of the episode, and these photos are only shown for a few seconds.

However, it is still possible that the photo shown in Ghost Adventures is the original one (possibly indeed showing a train accident), and the Auschwitz photo was created by modifying it. This is somewhat doubtful, though, as there seems to be no reason why an inward-curving barbed-wire fence would be set up along railroad tracks. Besides, we haven't been able to find on the net a copy of the photo shown in Ghost Adventures with a date earlier than 2010 (this particular episode was first aired in January 2010).

But let's examine the two photos more closely! There are a lot more corpses in the Auschwitz photo. Was the original photo the one shown in Ghost Adventures, and more corpses were added later to obtain the Auschwitz photo? Or the Auschwitz photo is the original, and most of the corpses were removed to create the version seen in Ghost Adventures?

Carefully examining the patterns of the ground in the lower part of the photos, it can be seen that some patterns are exactly repeated in the Ghost Adventures photo. These same patterns can also be found in the Auschwitz photo, but they are not repeated:



The upper image is the one shown in Ghost Adventures, and the lower one is the Auschwitz photo. Rectangles with the same color enclose identical portions of the images.

There is thus no doubt that the Auschwitz photo is the original one. The other photo was created by digitally removing most of the corpses by copying and repeating portions of the ground. Most likely, this editing job was done by the Ghost Adventures crew. They probably didn't do it for fraud. It was very unfortunate, however, that they couldn't find anything else but an iconic Auschwitz photo to illustrate a train accident, and they even adjusted it to fit their needs. And of course, it is no surprise that the extreme confirmation bias of holocaust deniers led them to jump to conclusions, immediately proclaiming that it must be the Auschwitz photo that is fake.

The location where the photo was taken can be easily identified, and its genuinity is supported by its match to the present view of the place. What's more, a British aerial photograph taken in August 1944 shows dense smoke rising from exactly the place where the photo was taken.
Posted by HC Guest Blogger at Monday, March 13, 2017

[hermod]

March 2017? New wild denier theory? Are there still "deniers" claiming that the pic in Ghost Adventures is a photo of the 1912 train accident in Dresden, Ohio? What's next? Young researcher Jean-Claude Pressac defeats deniers with brand new discoveries???

[Hannover]

Of course 'holocaustcontroversies' & onetruth ignore the fake window, a prop placed in front of a faked photo for dramatic purposes, compare these two:

from Zionist controlled Wikipedia*, not that TV show:



but then compare this laughable dead giveaway:



And next up, we have laughable rubber armed Jews, again taken from Zionist dominated Wikipedia*, not that TV show:



Now see this classic blow up revealing fake spaghetti women:



Their claiming 'The TV show digitally removed corpses' is beyond desperate. They would have no reason to bother, makes zero sense, compare these:


That a TV show used a fake 'holocaust' photo, and there are tons of fakes, is irrelevant to the fact that the photo / photos are phony as a three dollar bill. 'Ghost Adventures' had nothing to do with it.

* 'Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course'
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

"The Holocau$t Industry", nailed again.

- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.

[borjastick]

I still think this photo, if taken at all at Auschwitz, was taken later in 1945 after liberation. Furthermore there is no proof these bodies were murdered and were jews. All in all a mess or mutton dressed as lamb.

[hermod]

Of course 'holocaustcontroversies' & onetruth ignore the fake window, a prop placed in front of a faked photo for dramatic purposes, compare these two:

from Zionist controlled Wikipedia*, not that TV show:



but then compare this laughable dead giveaway:

What's the source of the giveaway (2nd pic)? Gross forgery. Quite appalling.

[ginger]

Arthur Butz used a photo of open burning pits alleged to be north of Krema V. If I remember correctly he was talking about the typhus epidemic in 1942 and because the camp lacked enough cremation capacity, the dead were burned in open pits. I believe there were aerial photos of it because the US was interested in the Buna rubber plant and trying to get the technology. See "Hoax", Fig. 7.

From what I have read about burning bodies in the open, it would not go far to dispose of the alleged 5000 corpses a day. It requires lots of wood and takes around 6 hours; bodies are 70% water. If there was heavy reliance on burning in open pits, the area would be devoid of trees.

[Hannover]

The propaganda says this fake photo was

known since 1945"

.... after the alleged gassing are said to have stopped.

So why was it not made available to the public earlier, when the impossible gassings are said to have been occurring?

And how convenient,

its original negative is lost".

- Hannover

We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

[permanent_denial]

If anything, doesn't this photo, if indeed genuine, exonerate the Germans of having used cyanide poisoning to execute these alleged inmates? As far as I understand it, cyanide poisoning typically causes the flesh of the corpse to appear pink or bright red. It is not only obvious that, even though a black and white photo, the corpses do not appear to have shown this pigment, but also, the living humans surrounding and amidst the piles of bodies clearly have skin that appears to be much darker than that of the corpses. Assuming the standing persons are not of African descent, which seems unlikely, wouldn't the shade of the light reflecting from the corpses have been much darker than that of the standing persons, had they indeed have been executed by introduction of cyanide into their respiratory system?

[Mongol]

I agree with Holocaust Controversies that the version of the photo which includes the "spaghetti woman" is retouched (https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-auschwitz-burning-open-air.html):

Version A was submitted as evidence at the Höß trial as part of Roman Dawidowski's expert report of September 26, 1946 (according to Carlo Mattogno, Auschwitz: Open Air Incinerations; the photo 278 linked above is reproduced in this publication as well), preserved at the Auschwitz State Museum (ASM), published in the books of the ASM, used in almost all publications, also available with modified contrast, brightness, saturation.

Version B was published in Tadeusz Kulakowski, Gdyby Hitler zwyciezyl..., 1960. Compared to version A, strong contours of the Sonderkommando prisoners and details of the barb wire/insulation of a fence post in the background have been added.

Version C is reproduced in Sally Wehsely, Die SS-Henker und ihre Opfer, 1965. Compared to version A, contours of the Sonderkommando prisoners and details of a female corpse have been added. The man on left was blackened completely.

Finally, version D can be tracked down only to Udo Walendy’s Bild-"Dokumente" für die Geschichtsschreibung?, 1973. Walendy writes that the close up was taken from Kulakowski and thus should be identical with version B, but this is not the case. The retouched corpse appears as in version C, but the contours of the Sonderkommando prisoner have been not or somewhat slighter enhanced.

Version A linked above:



Version B linked above (there seems to be diagonal hatching over the fence post on the left; the smoke also looks redrawn because there's an upward-pointing light triangle within the smoke slightly left and upwards from the center of the photo, and because the smoke above the group of 6 men on the right is lighter than in other versions):



Version C linked above (the smoke seems thicker so you can't see the details of the treeline through the smoke, and on the right side of the photo, the pattern of lighter areas of smoke against darker areas of smoke is different from other versions; now the "spaghetti woman" has the line between the legs, the eye, and the "third arm"):



Version D linked above (the "spaghetti woman" looks similar to version C so this could just be a cropped version of version C):



The version below from the Wikipedia article titled "Sonderkommando photographs" is cropped in a similar way as Version C, but the "spaghetti woman" seems to be missing the line between the legs and the eye and the third arm, and you can see the details of the treeline through the smoke:



I found another fairly higher-quality version of the photo from the website of Yad Vashem, but here the pattern and density of smoke matches the previous photo and not version C, and the "spaghetti woman" of versions C and D is also missing (https://www.yadvashem.org/articles/general/epicenter-horror-photographs-sonderkommando.html):



The post on Holocaust Controversies says that "the cropped versions B and C only surfaced in the 60s in rather obscure publications employing collaging and retouching also on other photographs" (they didn't cite any source, but Udo Walendy showed that other photos in the book "The Yellow Star" by Gerhard Schoenberner were also manipulated: http://www.vho.org/D/gzz/10.html). And Wikipedia also says that in versions of the photos published in the 50s or 40s, "some of the figures had been retouched to make them clearer" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando_photographs).

Of course 'holocaustcontroversies' & onetruth ignore the fake window, a prop placed in front of a faked photo for dramatic purposes, compare these two:

from Zionist controlled Wikipedia*, not that TV show:



but then compare this laughable dead giveaway:

The left side of photo 281 might actually be a part of another photo. Wikipedia says that it's part of photo 282 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando_photographs):

In photograph 281, a fragment of photograph 282 can be seen on the left, which means that the order in which the images were taken contradicts the numbering of the State Museum: the images of undressing in the birch woods precede the images of the cremation pits.

Photo 282 has a diagonal tree trunk near the right edge of the photo, but there's no part around the trunk where the configuration of leaves would match the left side of photo 281 (even though it could be that the left side of photo 281 shows a cropped out part of photo 282, or that it shows a part of another photo which was similar to photo 282). The left side of photo 281 looks like it features a tree trunk and leaves against a light sky, where the light areas look more like sky than ground because they don't have the same kind of texture as the ground that's visible through the black frame. Here's photos 281 and 282:



Pressac said that there are also retouched versions of photo 282 (https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/pressac/technique-and-operation/pressac0423.shtml):

The first two photographs (Photos 15 and 16) were never retouched, unlike the third (Photo 17), three different versions of which are known to the author:

1. The original [PMO neg. no. 282 and its enlargement, neg. no. 279]
2. First retouched version (minor retouches only; reference not known):
3. Second retouched version, the «exhibition photograph» hung on the first floor of Block 4 («Extermination»), opposite the cutaway plaster model of Krematorium II (Photo 17a [PMO neg. no. 252a])

The major changes made to Photo 17 are to be found on Photo 17a:

- The attribution of faces to the three naked women, whereas they are totally indistinguishable on the original, each of the three bodies received a distinct face, with the lighting matching that of the rest of the picture:
- Transformation of their bodies, those of OLD women (thus unfit for work and destined for gassing and cremation) into those of YOUNG women (thus fit for work, so they should not be there, an embarassing contradiction which escaped the "retoucher"), their breasts, fallen on the original, being lifted and redrawn.

In a third version of photo 282 I found on the website of Yad Vashem, it seems like they have drawn a completely different face on the woman on the left (https://www.yadvashem.org/articles/general/epicenter-horror-photographs-sonderkommando.html):

[Mongol]

Germar Rudolf said that the fence posts in photo 280 don't match the fence posts at Birkenau (http://vho.org/VffG/1999/1/RudGes1_e.html):



But a commenter at Holocaust Controversies wrote that the same fence is still there to this day and posted this photo (https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-auschwitz-burning-open-air.html):

[Lamprecht]

What are these photos supposed to prove anyway? They're allegedly from August 1944. We know for a fact people were dying of disease at Auschwitz at this point in time.



1,847 typhus deaths, August 1944
viewtopic.php?p=94680

[borjastick]

It always amazes me about this picture of the burning bodies with spaghetti people, that every expert claims it is true and they know exactly where this is and yet no one has ever excavated this area and it isn't marked with a tour stop and info board/picture. Why is that I wonder?