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Jehoshua Rosenbaum video
The best eye-wittiness Jehoshua Rosenbaum in an interview. Download it (21.5 Mb) at http://www.codoh.info/video/jehoshua.mpg (Right-click on the link and save it to disk)
Also, I suggest our readers see this related thread on Rosenbaum:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... c7fad8d484
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http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... c7fad8d484
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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.
Regarding the Rosenbaum report I made a sweeping statement, calling it a lie. Here are the reasons for that statement. Hans, from the other board, would like to cross-examine me about them, not Rosenbaum, of course. Since I have no intention to post on the other board, my one o month on this one will have to do, I’ll give my explanation here.
Just a few reflections up front. Why is it that the true believers can’t accept that lies have been told. Just one example: When the number of victims in Auschwitz was revised downward from 4 mill. to about one, we are told that serious historians knew this all along. Well, pardon me, peasants like me, and I’m not alone, believed the 4 mill. to the bitter end, in fact, I know of some people in Germany and here that still do. Why not come out and say, OK, we’ve been had, we are only human and it’s an historical event, open to revision. If this was admitted about some of the eye witness testimony the whole thing would become more ‘human’, instead of being almost mythical, defended tooth and nail, don’t ask questions, ’Believe’
Now about Mr. Rosenbaum;
1. He states Cyclone B was thrown through the window by the SS. How? One of the pictures shows a can of the stuff, used for fumigation. Are we to assume that this SS guy opened the can poured a portion into his hand and threw it in the room? Then we heard cries, again, why? Sound effect? 15 min. or so later the doors were opened. How did they know all the poison had been released from the binding substance? What about ventilation?
2. Now they were told to hurry and dump the bodies into the pits. 15,000 bodies could be burned per day, 1000 at a crack which took about 30 min. (No disclaimer, like, if memory serves me correctly, no, exact figures). How’s that possible? If we would have been told that the pits were for wood or coal and the bodies were piled onto grates, maybe. But to burn humans, mostly water, in pits, no way and 1000 in 30 min. Gimmi a break. And I really don’t care what material was supposedly used, 1000 corpses in 30 min., under primitive conditions, ridicules. And then the part about the leftovers which had to be gathered and burned. Yes Hans, he says teilweise (partially) burned, but right after he states : Hände und Füsse die auf die Seite gefallen sind mussten wir wieder auf das Feuer legen. (we had to put hands and feet, which had fallen off, back onto the fire) So, forget about realizing a mistake and suggesting partial burning. That’s not what he said, in fact, when he says 30 min. he sounds very positive.
The devil is in the details. I realize that this is only a portion of the interview, taken out of context. Also, I am the last one to suggest that the camps were recreation facilities, but whatever happened, when told, must be believable and possible.
Wilf
Just a few reflections up front. Why is it that the true believers can’t accept that lies have been told. Just one example: When the number of victims in Auschwitz was revised downward from 4 mill. to about one, we are told that serious historians knew this all along. Well, pardon me, peasants like me, and I’m not alone, believed the 4 mill. to the bitter end, in fact, I know of some people in Germany and here that still do. Why not come out and say, OK, we’ve been had, we are only human and it’s an historical event, open to revision. If this was admitted about some of the eye witness testimony the whole thing would become more ‘human’, instead of being almost mythical, defended tooth and nail, don’t ask questions, ’Believe’
Now about Mr. Rosenbaum;
1. He states Cyclone B was thrown through the window by the SS. How? One of the pictures shows a can of the stuff, used for fumigation. Are we to assume that this SS guy opened the can poured a portion into his hand and threw it in the room? Then we heard cries, again, why? Sound effect? 15 min. or so later the doors were opened. How did they know all the poison had been released from the binding substance? What about ventilation?
2. Now they were told to hurry and dump the bodies into the pits. 15,000 bodies could be burned per day, 1000 at a crack which took about 30 min. (No disclaimer, like, if memory serves me correctly, no, exact figures). How’s that possible? If we would have been told that the pits were for wood or coal and the bodies were piled onto grates, maybe. But to burn humans, mostly water, in pits, no way and 1000 in 30 min. Gimmi a break. And I really don’t care what material was supposedly used, 1000 corpses in 30 min., under primitive conditions, ridicules. And then the part about the leftovers which had to be gathered and burned. Yes Hans, he says teilweise (partially) burned, but right after he states : Hände und Füsse die auf die Seite gefallen sind mussten wir wieder auf das Feuer legen. (we had to put hands and feet, which had fallen off, back onto the fire) So, forget about realizing a mistake and suggesting partial burning. That’s not what he said, in fact, when he says 30 min. he sounds very positive.
The devil is in the details. I realize that this is only a portion of the interview, taken out of context. Also, I am the last one to suggest that the camps were recreation facilities, but whatever happened, when told, must be believable and possible.
Wilf
Neugierig commented on Rosenberg's nonsense:
'1. He states Cyclone B was thrown through the window by the SS. How? One of the pictures shows a can of the stuff, used for fumigation. Are we to assume that this SS guy opened the can poured a portion into his hand and threw it in the room? Then we heard cries, again, why? Sound effect? 15 min. or so later the doors were opened. How did they know all the poison had been released from the binding substance? What about ventilation?'
Evidently Rosenberg would have been talking about the "bunkers" ("Red house"/"White house") or Cremas IV and V?
I know there's a testimony out there that relates how a German SS had to go from one window to another with a ladder and he described how he would have to do a three hand job of hanging onto the ladder while having to open the can of Zyklon B and the window and pouring in the pellets saying something like 'this balancing act had to be done six times' which would mean four windows.
There are some major questions that face the credibility of the Holocaust story and one of those is why did they have wire mesh introduction systems to retrieve the pellets from Cremas II and III and no retrieval plans for Cremas IV and V? Or for Majdanek for that matter?
Zyklon B was designed to release the agent HCN slowly over a period of time for two reasons. It was made safer to handle and to ensure the distribution of the agent evenly to all recesses. With a 15 minute gassing period probably no more than 10% of the agent HCN would have been released. Thus all the rest would have still been in pellets seriously complicating the emptying of the chambers.
'2. Now they were told to hurry and dump the bodies into the pits. 15,000 bodies could be burned per day, 1000 at a crack which took about 30 min. (No disclaimer, like, if memory serves me correctly, no, exact figures). How’s that possible? If we would have been told that the pits were for wood or coal and the bodies were piled onto grates, maybe. But to burn humans, mostly water, in pits, no way and 1000 in 30 min. Gimmi a break. And I really don’t care what material was supposedly used, 1000 corpses in 30 min., under primitive conditions, ridicules.'
Where does one put the wood or coal when trying to burn bodies in pits?
At the bottom to be smothered by the bodies tossed in?
On top of the pile of bodies where most of the heat would go up like heat does?
A layer of bodies then a layer of wood or hot coal then a layer of bodies etc, thereby each layer smothering each layer of combustion?
You just don't burn bodies in pits without having to expend incredible amounts of fuel over long periods of time.
'1. He states Cyclone B was thrown through the window by the SS. How? One of the pictures shows a can of the stuff, used for fumigation. Are we to assume that this SS guy opened the can poured a portion into his hand and threw it in the room? Then we heard cries, again, why? Sound effect? 15 min. or so later the doors were opened. How did they know all the poison had been released from the binding substance? What about ventilation?'
Evidently Rosenberg would have been talking about the "bunkers" ("Red house"/"White house") or Cremas IV and V?
I know there's a testimony out there that relates how a German SS had to go from one window to another with a ladder and he described how he would have to do a three hand job of hanging onto the ladder while having to open the can of Zyklon B and the window and pouring in the pellets saying something like 'this balancing act had to be done six times' which would mean four windows.
There are some major questions that face the credibility of the Holocaust story and one of those is why did they have wire mesh introduction systems to retrieve the pellets from Cremas II and III and no retrieval plans for Cremas IV and V? Or for Majdanek for that matter?
Zyklon B was designed to release the agent HCN slowly over a period of time for two reasons. It was made safer to handle and to ensure the distribution of the agent evenly to all recesses. With a 15 minute gassing period probably no more than 10% of the agent HCN would have been released. Thus all the rest would have still been in pellets seriously complicating the emptying of the chambers.
'2. Now they were told to hurry and dump the bodies into the pits. 15,000 bodies could be burned per day, 1000 at a crack which took about 30 min. (No disclaimer, like, if memory serves me correctly, no, exact figures). How’s that possible? If we would have been told that the pits were for wood or coal and the bodies were piled onto grates, maybe. But to burn humans, mostly water, in pits, no way and 1000 in 30 min. Gimmi a break. And I really don’t care what material was supposedly used, 1000 corpses in 30 min., under primitive conditions, ridicules.'
Where does one put the wood or coal when trying to burn bodies in pits?
At the bottom to be smothered by the bodies tossed in?
On top of the pile of bodies where most of the heat would go up like heat does?
A layer of bodies then a layer of wood or hot coal then a layer of bodies etc, thereby each layer smothering each layer of combustion?
You just don't burn bodies in pits without having to expend incredible amounts of fuel over long periods of time.
neugierig wrote:2. Now they were told to hurry and dump the bodies into the pits. 15,000 bodies could be burned per day, 1000 at a crack which took about 30 min. (No disclaimer, like, if memory serves me correctly, no, exact figures). How’s that possible? If we would have been told that the pits were for wood or coal and the bodies were piled onto grates, maybe. But to burn humans, mostly water, in pits, no way and 1000 in 30 min. Gimmi a break. And I really don’t care what material was supposedly used, 1000 corpses in 30 min., under primitive conditions, ridicules.
And the “900 Heizers” Dr. Keren of THHP tells us all about are each dragging a naked body of a dead Jew in long lines all over the camp, from the four crematoriums to the various pits.
While the other 100,000 camp inmates are watching.
Incredible story.
And if you express any doubts you are labled an anti-Semite, neo-nazi, Israel-hater, Holocaust-denier or worse.
Human soap Hans is simply an example of 'garbage in, garbage out'.
He says Rosenbaum's statements conform to others; sorry but multiple cases of nonsense are still nonsense. UFO/alien abduction stories are in conformity too.
You know they're in trouble when they claim nutbars like Rosenbaum are credible, what a laugh. It's the old..'once you lie, you must continue to lie' syndrome. Hans is trapped in a lie.
Science, the enemy of True Believers like 'Hans'.
I have some posts from Hans from the old CODOH bbs, I'll continue to demonstrate just how ridiculous he is.
- Hannover
He says Rosenbaum's statements conform to others; sorry but multiple cases of nonsense are still nonsense. UFO/alien abduction stories are in conformity too.
You know they're in trouble when they claim nutbars like Rosenbaum are credible, what a laugh. It's the old..'once you lie, you must continue to lie' syndrome. Hans is trapped in a lie.
Science, the enemy of True Believers like 'Hans'.
I have some posts from Hans from the old CODOH bbs, I'll continue to demonstrate just how ridiculous he is.
- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.
Sailor has mused:
'And the “900 Heizers” Dr. Keren of THHP tells us all about are each dragging a naked body of a dead Jew in long lines all over the camp, from the four crematoriums to the various pits.
While the other 100,000 camp inmates are watching.'
There certainly wouldn't have been a problem for the inmates to have seen it all since Philip Mueller says in his book that the Germans lit the processions of prisoners to the gas chambers with "thousands of lights".
Sailor also concluded:
'And if you express any doubts you are labled an anti-Semite, neo-nazi, Israel-hater, Holocaust-denier or worse.'
What the hell, don't bother over that. What with Holocaust 'facts' being what they are the Holocaust community has to have something to fight back with.
'And the “900 Heizers” Dr. Keren of THHP tells us all about are each dragging a naked body of a dead Jew in long lines all over the camp, from the four crematoriums to the various pits.
While the other 100,000 camp inmates are watching.'
There certainly wouldn't have been a problem for the inmates to have seen it all since Philip Mueller says in his book that the Germans lit the processions of prisoners to the gas chambers with "thousands of lights".
Sailor also concluded:
'And if you express any doubts you are labled an anti-Semite, neo-nazi, Israel-hater, Holocaust-denier or worse.'
What the hell, don't bother over that. What with Holocaust 'facts' being what they are the Holocaust community has to have something to fight back with.
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