Revisionist DVDs ?

[Ted]

Can anyone recommend any good Revisionist DVDs which can be shown to people who are new to Revisionism ?


Ted

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

I posted something like this awhile ago.

There are none.

The David Cole video exists on the internet in a fairly poor, but effective version.

After that you have "Mr. Death" by Errol Morris, which is, strangely, recommended by exterminationists and revisionists alike. It's a movie that Morris had to take back to the editing table and make more ambiguous after a screening at Harvard University had some students agreeing with Leuchter's theory.

And there you have the giant revisionist canon of videos.

[Ted]

I have the Fredrick Töben DVD but its not very good I gave it to a few of my freinds and they didnt think much of it, I think its very Amateur my self, I would love to be able to get the David Cole video on DVD.

[Vallon]

I have the Fredrick Töben DVD but its not very good I gave it to a few of my freinds and they didnt think much of it, I think its very Amateur my self.

The most boring passages are those texts that slowly roll by in complete silence. Probably, those "scenes" are supposed to be a refreshing change from Toben reading from behind his desk.

But the worst thing is the last quarter or so. I think Toben has been had by a prank of some German students. Supposedly they are experimenting with hydrocyanic acid, making Zyklon, and exposing themselves to the vapour in a bunker for an hour.

Now the follwing scenes are supposed to be taken one hour apart, yet the shadow of the roof on the wall is at exactly the same place.

Students entering the bunker.


Students exiting the bunker, supposedly one hour later.

[Karl S]

I received this e-mail from a friend who asked one of the persons involved in making this film.

Hi,
I looked at the photos on the site and I know what the person is trying to say... HOWEVER shadows are strange things, the sun throws its shadows much differently according to whether one is in the Tropics or near the Poles.
The Filming was done in Nth Germany (where I am now) so this morning I taped a ruler onto an outside table to measure shadow movement.
I reduced the pictures down in size I started the series at 11.30 in the morning and took this photo. You can see the shadow cuts through 194cms



This next photo I took an HOUR later at 12.30



The Shadow has now moved to 195.7 cm (approx 3/4 an inch)
Then at 13.30 2 Hrs later I took the next photo and you can see the shadow has moved to 198. 2 cm



That’s just on 4 and a half centimetres in 2 hours OR just under 2 inches.
So the shadow has moved just under 1 inch in an hour.
On the photos you presented me, can he show the shadow has not moved 1 INCH?

Hi, I did another Test this afternoon. The LEFT hand photo I took at exactly 15.00 (3 pm) the right hand photo I took at 16.00 (4 pm).
With just a light wind blowing the branches around MOST people would think they were taken within minutes of each other.
TRY IT, you have a digital camera.......now go below

[Vallon]

Look at the shadows on the door.

The shadows on the door are different, of course, because the door was closed and opened again. It is in a different position.

Irrespective of latitude, the sun moves 15 degrees per hour from east to west. (Or actually, the earth rotates 360/24 = 15 degrees per hour.)

A good place to study the motion of shadows is a web camera in Flagstaff, Arizona. A whole day's pictures taken att one-hour intervals are available there, and most days are sunny.
http://www.nau.edu/web/webcam.shtml

[Richard Perle]

I would say that the only thing that has changed between the two photos (apart from the angle of the door and the shadows cast on it) is that the sun has been obscured by a cloud by the time the second set of photos (or piece of film) were taken. The shadows are duller by this time.

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Why is it that I come to this board all the time and never ever heard of the "Frederick Toben DVD"? What kind of movie is this and what in the world is he doing having people go into that building? Students exposing themselves to HCN???

[Hannover]

Vallon said:

The shadows on the door are different, of course, because the door was closed and opened again. It is in a different position.

But the roof has not moved and the shadows are different. Note that he originally said:

Now the following scenes are supposed to be taken one hour apart, yet the shadow of the roof on the wall is at exactly the same place.

Notice how Vallon ignores the primary point of his argument.

- Hannover

[lazamtlob]

Of course the shadows of the door moves because the door is moved.
This is in and out pics and both merged in the last frame (supposedly one hour later ).
The shadow on the wall is the same.

[Hannover]

But Karl S said:

That’s just on 4 and a half centimetres in 2 hours OR just under 2 inches.
So the shadow has moved just under 1 inch in an hour.
On the photos you presented me, can he show the shadow has not moved 1 INCH?

From afar the shadow looks similar, but up close it seems to be another story.

Nonetheless, this DVD's main point, when you see it in it's totality (I have), is to challenge the notion that Zyklon-B could have outgassed in the amounts required, given the amount of time alleged in the 'holocau$t' mythology. Well, we've already shown scientifically that it could not.

Among other things, this DVD contain riotous claims by typical nutjob 'survivors' and 'eyewitnesses' which render the entire official story a joke.

While the DVD is not perfect, is does bring up many absurdities in the standard storyline and challenges the True Believers and 'holocau$t' Industry to show Revisionist research as being wrong via science, in a public debate. Something the True Believers are terribly afraid of.

- Hannover

[Vallon]

While the DVD is not perfect, it ... challenges the True Believers and 'holocau$t' Industry to show Revisionist research as being wrong via science, in a public debate. Something the True Believers are terribly afraid of.

I am not afraid, and am doing my best to respond to that challenge

Toben's DVD also shows a Tesch commercial on how vermin was killed in a large factory building, with a few cans of Zyklon B. Clearly, that was effective. There is an obvious contradiction with the outcome of the "experiment" by these students.

And science shows that the film of that experiment has continuity problems. I never noticed that the earth stopped rotating for an hour in the summer of 2001.

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Why can't this video be put on the web? I want to see it.

[Hannover]

Vallon said:

Toben's DVD also shows a Tesch commercial on how vermin was killed in a large factory building, with a few cans of Zyklon B. Clearly, that was effective. There is an obvious contradiction with the outcome of the "experiment" by these students.

And science shows that the film of that experiment has continuity problems. I never noticed that the earth stopped rotating for an hour in the summer of 2001.

- It's not Toben's DVD, he did not make it or produce it. I assume he has it on his website.

- Yes vermin was killed, after a process taking 24 hrs. to complete.

- Vallon ignores the ludicrous 'eyewtnesses/survivors' statements on the DVD. Why?

- And Vallon conveniently ignores Karl S's close-up measurements of shadows after 1 hour. Why?

So then Vallon, want to debate about the utter imposibility of Zyklon-B reaching a high enough cyanide level to kill 2,000 Jews in the alleged gas chambers? Which is the point that part of DVD is making.

Hannover

[Vallon]

- It's not Toben's DVD, he did not make it or produce it. I assume he has it on his website.

I would agree with you that Dr. Toben had nothing to do with filming the experiment.
The experiment is in the last 15 minutes of "Judea declares War on Germany", that I downloaded from http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3314380
I know there exists also a version of that film without the experiment, but the long version has the same commenter's voice also in the experiment part.

- Yes vermin was killed, after a process taking 24 hrs. to complete.

It takes a long time to kill all the nits and eggs.

- Vallon ignores the ludicrous 'eyewtnesses/survivors' statements on the DVD. Why?

I honestly do not remember exactly what statement you are referring to. Maybe they were ludicrous, and in that case there was no reason to criticize Toben's film for that.

- And Vallon conveniently ignores Karl S's close-up measurements of shadows after 1 hour. Why?

Because there is insufficient information to say much about it. I cannot see how high the object is that projected the shadow, for example. Also, it is perfectly possible that an edge produces a straight shadow in approximately the same place for some time. But in the case of the bunker, the shadow of the corner of the roof is in the same place. I have suggested looking at web camera pictures, where the camera position is stationary. For example, Flagstaff (http://www.nau.edu/web/webcam.shtml).
As for Karl S's photos, I have looked at them, and I noticed a shadow in the first picture (above the ruler) that is absent in the other ones.

So then Vallon, want to debate about the utter imposibility of Zyklon-B reaching a high enough cyanide level to kill 2,000 Jews in the alleged gas chambers? Which is the point that part of DVD is making.

I would be delighted to. In a separate thread maybe?