Was there any gas chamber at the Ravensbruck concentration camp?

[theowl53]

I'm new to this whole subject. I heard from Mark Weber that all the camps within what was known as 'The Greater German Reich' were investigated by Western Allied investigators who claimed that all of them were not extermination, but concentration camps. Ravensbruck is one such. Does this mean that even according to mainstream history, there was no gas chamber at Ravensbruck at all? How does this work? I do not understand

[Lamprecht]

Ravensbruck - Fact or Fiction?
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Carlo Mattogno, with pomp and aplomb, debunks the gas chamber claims about Ravensbrueck (see pages 182 - 199).
http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/25-itgc.pdf

Ravensbruck gaschamber
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I don't read German, but in the 2011 book Neue Studien zu Nationalsozialistischen Massentötungen durch Giftgas (New Studies on National Socialist Mass Killing by Poison Gas) there's apparently a chapter by Bernhard Strebel titled 'Die Gaskammer im Konzentrationslager Ravensbrück Anfang 1945' (The gas chamber in Ravensbrueck concentration camp in early 1945).

You won't find many historians talking about it these days as it doesn't fit the accepted storyline that there were no gas chambers on German soil.

The Industry still maintains there was a homicidal gas chamber at Sachsenhausen, Ravensbrueck (temporary one set up late), Mauthausen (now in Austria once more), Neuenngamme (prisoner cell used as a gas chamber a few times), Dachau (even Pressac & Van Pelt claim it was a gas chamber), plus half-a-dozen-or-so T4 centres.

On Ravensbrück, Jewish 'holocaust' historian Olga Wormser-Migot remarks that there were no gas chambers at Ravensbruck:

... the declarations on the gas chamber at Ravensbrück place the beginning of its existence in Febr. 1945,
date of the arrival of those evacuated from Auschwitz, the date when the Ravensbrück detainees discovered
the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz.

- Le Système concentrationnaire nazi", Le problème des chambres à gaz, p. 544

more here:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7647&p=57586

- Hannover

"survivor" says gassings at Ravensbruck etc.
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[Archie]

One ploy that they do is to say that there were incidental or occasional of experimental gassings at some of these camps. I think this is because they worry that if they make a categorial denial of gassings that would compromise testimonies, memoirs, confessions, and histories that assert gassings and that in turn might raise questions about the so-called extermination camps. So some of them will leave the door open for some small-scale gassings which are difficult to conclusively disprove.

Here are a couple of sources on the general issue of gassing in the camps in Germany.

Stephen Pinter Letter, 14 Jun 1959

“I was in Dachau for 17 months after the war, as a US War Department Attorney, and can state that there was no gas chamber at Dachau. What was shown to visitors and sightseers there and erroneously described as a gas chamber, was a crematory. Nor was there a gas chamber in any of the other concentration camps in Germany. We were told that there was a gas chamber at Auschwitz, but since that was in the Russian zone of occupation, we were not permitted to investigate, since the Russians would not permit it.

[…] uses the old propaganda myth that millions of Jews were killed by the national socialists. From what I was able to determine during six postwar years in Germany and Austria, there were a number of Jews killed, but the figure of a million was certainly never reached. I interviewed thousands of Jews, former inmates of concentration camps in Germany and Austria, and consider myself as well qualified as any man on this subject.”

Pinter was there as an attorney with the army but his statement, while very interesting, reflects his own views and could fairly be described as an the findings of an official allied investigation.

https://codoh.com/library/document/step ... ionist/en/

Martin Broszat (Institut für Zeitgeschichte), letter from 19 Aug 1960

Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed. The gas chamber in Dachau was never entirely finished or put "into operation." Hundreds of thousands of prisoners who perished in Dachau and other concentration camps in the Old Reich [that is, Germany in its borders of 1937] were victims, above all, of the catastrophic hygienic and provisioning conditions: according to official SS statistics, during the twelve months from July 1942 through June 1943 alone, 110,812 persons died of disease and hunger in all of the concentration camps of the Reich. The mass extermination of the Jews by gassing began in 1941-1942 and occurred exclusively in a few facilities selected and equipped with appropriate technical installations, above all in the occupied Polish territory (but at no place in the Old Reich): in Auschwitz-Birkenau, in Sobibor on the Bug [river], in Treblinka, Chelmno and Belzec.

It is at those places, but not in Bergen-Belsen, Dachau or Buchenwald, where the mass extermination facilities, spoken of in your article [in an earlier issue of Die Zeit], were built and disguised as shower baths or disinfection rooms. This necessary differentiation does not, of course, change anything regarding the criminal character of the facility that was the concentration camp. However, it may perhaps help eliminate the annoying confusion that arises from the fact that some ineducable people make use of a few arguments that, while correct, are polemically torn from the context, and that, rushing to respond to them are other people who, although they have the correct overall view, rely upon false or mistaken information.

Dr. M. Broszat
Institute for Contemporary History
Munich

This here is a semi-official denial of gassings at largest camps in Germany and it says none of others in the Altreich were extermination camps. He does not go into detail about how this was determined.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n3p12_Broszat.html


Nowadays generally they do claim gassings at Mauthausen, Hartheim Castle and a few other places. For Dachau they will usually insist the gas chamber was "real" but wasn't ever used. Some may try to claim experimental gassings. Michael Berenbaum in his article on Ravensbruck for Britannica claims that 2,200 were gassed there very late in the war.

In late January or early February 1945, some 2,200 women were killed in gas chambers constructed next to Fürstenberg’s crematorium.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Ravensbruck-concentration-camp-Germany

Here's a thread on gassing claims at non-extermination camps.
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[DissentingOpinions]

I'm new to this whole subject. I heard from Mark Weber that all the camps within what was known as 'The Greater German Reich' were investigated by Western Allied investigators who claimed that all of them were not extermination, but concentration camps. Ravensbruck is one such. Does this mean that even according to mainstream history, there were no gas chambers at all? How does this work? I do not understand

FTFY.

[Hektor]

I'm new to this whole subject. I heard from Mark Weber that all the camps within what was known as 'The Greater German Reich' were investigated by Western Allied investigators who claimed that all of them were not extermination, but concentration camps. Ravensbruck is one such. Does this mean that even according to mainstream history, there were no gas chambers at all? How does this work? I do not understand

FTFY.

The testimony for those 'gas chambers' was probably too embarassing and for the Western Camps Germans imprisoned there would still be alive in 1960. Some of them may have called out the gas chamber stories as 'nonsense' so there was an incentive to tone the propaganda down a little.

Famous prisoner of Ravensbruck was 'Corrie Ten Boom':

Before she died, she told Corrie, "There is no pit so deep that He [God] is not deeper still." Twelve days later,[1] Corrie was released. Afterward, she was told that her release was because of a clerical error and that a week later, all the women in her age group were sent to the gas chambers.[21]

In other words hearsay. And "Corrie Ten Boom" was someone pretty certainly did highly embellish her stories. She made a living telling stories after the war. She knew how to 'captivate' an audience with her story telling. She gave the thing a "Christian" vernier, which is why she would speak to church groups, something many Jews may have had refused to do at the time...

Ten Boom was imprisoned in Ravensbruck apparently to her running a rationing scam. This slips a bit through her stories. But she portrays it as 'charity' for 'people that had to hide from the Nazis'.

Here is an example on how she embellished her stories:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/how-thi ... ined-death

[hermod]

I'm new to this whole subject. I heard from Mark Weber that all the camps within what was known as 'The Greater German Reich' were investigated by Western Allied investigators who claimed that all of them were not extermination, but concentration camps. Ravensbruck is one such. Does this mean that even according to mainstream history, there was no gas chamber at Ravensbruck at all? How does this work? I do not understand

There were no homicidal gas chambers at any German camp during WWII. But the notorious orthodox/exterminationist/antirevisionist 1960 letter officially denying the existence of homicidal gassings in the Old Reich (see Martin Broszat's letter in Die Zeit ) was mitigated by its author 16 years later and Martin Broszat finally claimed that some homicidal gassings had taken place in Ravensbruck, Natweiller and Mauthausen but that they were not part of the alleged genocidal mass slaughter of Jews at eastern camps (alleged extermination camps of Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek, Sobibor, Treblinka, Belzec and Chelmno) and were perpetrated to "psychologically facilitate the work of the execution Kommandos " at western camps.

For info, Broszat repudiated the stories of homicidal gassings in Dachau, Buchenwald and Belsen in 1960 for damage control purposes after a former German General (General Martin Unrein) had said "this was only a shower" on a tour of Dachau when he was in the alleged homicidal gas chamber there. But Mr. Broszat "omitted" to explain how the testimonies about homicidal gassings in Dachau, Belsen and Buchenwald were less probative than the testimonies about homicidal gassings in Auschwitz, Treblinka and Sobibor. He just arbitrarily told people to move from a false narrative (the story that all the German camps had been extermination camps) to another false narrative (the story that only six German camps on the eastern side of the Iron Curtain had been extermination camps), so unintentionally debunking the alleged probative nature of testimonies.

Aucun gazage à Dachau
(par le Dr Martin Broszat)

[...]

Les réserves exprimées dans cette lettre furent explicitées par Broszat dans la «Note préliminaire» à l'article d'Ino Arudt et Wolfgang Scheffler «Organisierter Massenmord an Juden in nationalsozialistischen Vernichtungslagern», VfZ, 24e année, 1976, cahier 2, p. 109.

« Comme nous l'avons déjà relevé, les exterminations de juifs au sens institutionnel (exécution du programme de la "solution finale") au moyen d'installations de gazage eurent lieu exclusivement dans les camps susmentionnés [Il s'agit des camps de Chelmno, Belzec, Treblinka, Majdanek, Sobibor et Auschwitz-Birkenau mentionnés à la page 105 de l'article.] des territoires polonais occupés. En revanche, dans les camps de concentration, d'une manière générale, il y avait bien des crématoires (pour la crémation des détenus morts en masse ou tués pendant la guerre), mais pas d'installations de gazage. Là où cependant ce fut le cas en particulier (Ravensbruck, Natzweiler, Mauthausen), elles ne servirent pas à l'extermination des juifs au sens du programme de la "solution finale". Elles devaient plutôt faciliter psychiquement le «travail» des Kommandos d'exécution qui, jusqu'ici, consistait à fusiller les détenus, à les tuer par des injections de phénol et par d'autres méthodes. »

https://aaargh.vho.org/fran/inst/doc/mbdz600819.html

Translation:

The reservations expressed in this letter were explained by Broszat in the "Preliminary note" to the article by Ino Arudt and Wolfgang Scheffler "Organisierter Massenmord an Juden in nationalsozialistischen Vernichtungslagern" ( https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/ ... _arndt.pdf ), VfZ, 24th year, 1976, notebook 2, p. 109.

"As we have already noted, the exterminations of Jews in the institutional sense (execution of the program of the "final solution") by means of gassing installations took place exclusively in the above-mentioned camps [those are the camps of Chelmno , Belzec, Treblinka, Majdanek, Sobibor and Auschwitz-Birkenau, mentioned on page 105 of the article] of the German-occupied Polish territories. On the other hand, in the concentration camps in general, there were crematoria (for the cremation of prisoners who had died en masse or had been killed during the war), but no gassing facilities. Where, however, this was the case in particular (Ravensbruck, Natzweiler, Mauthausen), they were not used for the extermination of the Jews in the sense of the program of the "final solution". Rather, they were used to psychologically facilitate the “work” of the execution Kommandos which, until that time, consisted of shooting the detainees, killing them by injections of phenol and by other methods.

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[Hektor]

I'm new to this whole subject. I heard from Mark Weber that all the camps within what was known as 'The Greater German Reich' were investigated by Western Allied investigators who claimed that all of them were not extermination, but concentration camps. Ravensbruck is one such. Does this mean that even according to mainstream history, there was no gas chamber at Ravensbruck at all? How does this work? I do not understand

There were no homicidal gas chambers at any German camp during WWII. But the notorious orthodox/exterminationist/antirevisionist 1960 letter officially denying the existence of homicidal gassings in the Old Reich (see Martin Broszat's letter in Die Zeit ) was mitigated by its author 16 years later and Martin Broszat finally claimed that some homicidal gassings had taken place in Ravensbruck, Natweiller and Mauthausen but that they were not part of the alleged genocidal mass slaughter of Jews at eastern camps (alleged extermination camps of Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek, Sobibor, Treblinka, Belzec and Chelmno) and were perpetrated to "psychologically facilitate the work of the execution Kommandos " at western camps. ....

Broszat's careful attempt at Revisionism won't have went unnoticed. At a later stage, they may have had 'more testimony', including people that insisted there were homicidal gas chambers. Since 'surivor testimonies' that affirm the narrative 'can't be wrong', they simply claimed now that some of the camps had 'homicidal gas chamber'... If you applied that method to other subjects, you'd probably get far more horror stories on prisons, hospitals, hospitals, etc.

As this method can prove anything, it does prove nothing. But that's too high for the average Holocaustians.