Hannover wrote:....disagree.
- Faking a signature is problematic. If adding a fake signature was that easy it would have done, it's not as easy as it seems though, debunking fake signatures are routinely done by experts. Hardly the same as some kid faking his dad's signature.
- Why would a copy of be retained in the first place? The info. alleged was highly incriminating and any copies would have been stamped secret, it was not. If copies were allegedly sent to others they would have been signed.
- Again, where is the original?
- As previously stated: no copy number, no secretary initials.
- How does this "copy" compare to other Reichenau document copies?
This is a faked document which was created in an attempt to incriminate a deceased man who could not defend himself. Proof of the fakery is not only the unsigned issue, but numerous other factors come into the picture as previously outlined in this thread. We have seen that document forgery along with faked & miscaptioned photos are part & parcel to the 'holocaust' storyline.
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Valid questions, but absence of signature and stamps doesn't prove forgery. It's just a few typed pages NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. Hence no probative value.
Found a book where this is discussed as well.
https://archive.org/details/TheWehrmach ... lframWetteRelevant excerpts:
In 1933 Hitler's new government broke off the joint activities of the Reichswehr and the Red Army, to the regret of more than a few officers. Among them was Colonel Walter von Reichenau, who, having just been named head of the Ministerial Office of the Reichswehr Ministry, occupied a key political position under Hitler's devoted minister of defense, General Werner von Blomberg. Interestingly, Reichenau assured a member of the Soviet embassy staff in Berlin in June 1933 that the Reichswehr stood behind "developing and intensifying German-Soviet friendship, just as in the old days." 51 Eight years later, when the Soviet Union was attacked, Reichenau — by then a field marshal and commander of the Sixth Army — would act as one of the most ardent proponents of racial ideology and the war of annihilation.
One may ask how this may fit the picture, But there comes more:
Racist Orders and Speeches by Hoepner, Manstein, and Reichenau
It is not only the "criminal orders" emanating from the OKW and OKH that document the solidarity between Hitler and the military leaders. The commanders in the eastern theater also issued orders that — most untypically for this form of communication with troops in the field — contained lengthy ideological statements. In addition, copies of speeches that high-ranking commanders delivered to their officers have survived, revealing efforts to prepare the latter psychologically and ideologically for the Russian campaign. Reading the speeches and orders from 1941 of Generals Erich Hoepner, Erich von Manstein, and Walter von Reichenau today, one cannot avoid the impression that they represent a direct echo of Hitler's speech of March 50.
General Hoepner commanded Panzer Group 4, which was scheduled to participate in the eastern campaign. At the beginning of May 1941 — that is, more than a month before the invasion — he explained to his officers how it would be run. His written order offers a perfect example of how various elements of German propaganda could be combined to create an explosive mixture: "Every military action must be designed and executed with an iron resolve to annihilate the enemy utterly and mercilessly. In particular there is to be no mercy for officials of the present-day Russian Bolshevist system."
___ Here is their attempt to translate the typewritten text:
In October 1941 Field Marshal Walter von Reichenau, commander of the Sixth Army in Army Group South, considered it necessary to issue an order specifying how much force was permitted or desired in dealing with the Bolshevist system, since so many soldiers had "unclear ideas" on the subject. In this order, which was intended to reach every soldier in the Sixth Army, Reichenau presented ideological arguments for the goal of extermination: "The most important goal of the campaign against the Jewish -Bolshevist system is the complete destruction of its grip on power and the elimination of Asian influence from our European cultural sphere. This means that soldiers will have to carry out missions that go beyond the traditional one-sided military duties. Here in the East our soldiers must not only engage in battle according to the rules of war, but also be the bearers of a relentless ethnic message and ruthlessly avenge the bestialities committed against us and ethnically related peoples." The order went on to mention the mass executions carried out by the Einsatzgruppen of the SS: "Hence soldiers must fully accept the necessity for the harsh but just expiation exacted from Jewish Untermenschen. This punishment serves the further purpose of suppressing uprisings behind the German front lines, which experience has shown are always instigated by Jews." Reichenau concluded his order with an intentionally vague call to continue the war of extermination: the mission of German soldiers was "ruthlessly to eliminate the treachery and brutality of non-German individuals and thereby secure the lives of German military personnel in Russia." 21
Note that no mentioning is made of the absence of signatures.
Here is Wette's attempt at explanation.
General Reichenau, a fervent National Socialist, had either observed or been informed that the murders of Jews had by no means met with the approval of all officers and soldiers in Army Group South. In one case, Lieutenant Colonel Hellmuth Groscurth of the general staff had attempted to intervene in the killings at Belaya Tserkov', and it is likely that some Wehrmacht officers expressed criticism or even outrage over the mass executions at Babi Yar near Kiev on September 29—30, 1941 (see the discussion later in this chapter). General Reichenau's order thus represents a response to the behavior of the troops during and after these mass killings. At the time of the Babi Yar massacre, Reichenau had executive authority in the Kiev area. His radical and racist order was adopted, incidentally, by Field Marshal Gerd von Rundstedt, commander of Army Group South. It was also approved by Field Marshal Walther von Brauchitsch, commander in chief of the army, and ultimately the operation was expressly commended by Hitler himself.
Racist Wehrmacht Propaganda for Enlisted Men
Did these messages reach ordinary soldiers in the ranks? What did they believe? As citizens of the National Socialist state, members of the armed forces had been subjected to daily doses of propaganda since the early 1930s. With the start of the Russian campaign, however, the propaganda concerning Jews became more and more aggressive. Messages now spoke of Jews as "the global enemy" who had to be "annihilated." Hitler repeated several times his absurd claim that Jews had begun the war against the German Reich. And the propagandists set out to strengthen the sense of superiority that Germans had long felt with respect to the Slavic peoples to the east, and to found it on racist ideology.
___ I think I come to the Wolfram Wette's description of the alleged "massacre's" a bit later. Since the above is already some good stuff for discussion.
It's like a game of Wackamole!
