Sassen discussion roundtable with Eichmann in Buenos Aires in 1957 and alleged "Mossad kidnapping"

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Hello,

I recently read this article about the Sassen Roundtable in Buenos Aires and the Eichmann tapes from 1957. They were discussing the "Holocaust" at the time. The intention behind the Sassen Round Table was to exploit the talks for publication as part of a revisionist book project for the Dürer publishing house run by Eberhard Fritsch, who also took part. The Sassen Round emerged from the Dürer Circle. There is an article about Sassen here and about Eichmann here. You can get it translated with deepl.com.

What is new for me is that now, thanks to Gaby Weber, 785 pages of the transcripts are freely available on the Internet: https://fragdenstaat.de/dokumente/7747-sassen/

However, the papers that she had sued free from the secret service are quite fuzzy and blurry. I wonder why established historians don't simply upload all the preserved tape recordings to YouTube, for example. Why are they still lying around in the archives?

In general, it is always said that Eichmann confirmed the Holocaust to Sassen and his friends by testifying:

"I must tell you quite honestly, if we had killed 10.3 million Jews out of the 10.3 million that Korherr expelled, as we now know, then I would be satisfied and say, well, we have destroyed an enemy."

But Eichmann dubiously retracted this statement at a later meeting. He said he did not want to maintain this statement any longer. Nevertheless, Eichmann made nonsensical statements to Sassen - as he did later in Israel.

New for me is also the following:

"At the eleventh IHR conference in October 1992, David Irving reported on the "Eichmann Papers." In doing so, he mentioned that Hans Werner Woltersdorf was an eyewitness "present at many of these recordings with Eichmann." On January 14, 1992, Woltersdorf wrote a very long letter to Irving about the Sassen interviews."

It would also be important if this letter were freely available (digitized). Hans Werner Woltersdorf wrote several books in the 1990s in which he also supported revisionism. For example, this book here from the early 2000s: Behind the Scenes of the New World Order - Time Criticism without Taboos (Woltersdorf does not discuss Eichmann in the book either, I think).

In the article there is the following paragraph:

"Often," Hans Werner Woltersdorf quotes the statements of Schneider's two daughters, "Eichmann referred to communications from the postwar press, whose statements (about gassings by the millions) he did not doubt in the least, accepted them as historical facts, and often corrected his recollections afterwards in view of these new findings."

One historian characterizes the views thus:

"So while Sassen I think is more of a Holocaust denier and would like to brush it all aside, Eichmann in this interview does want to prove what his actual historical role was. There is a sequence where they argue about which country still has Jews and how many. And then Sassen says: 'Yes, they are all still there. Just look. They are all still there. While Eichmann is very disappointed about it. So one tries to deny it and the other thinks he didn't destroy enough." - Irmtrud Wojak

Gaby Weber writes:

"In Germany and Israel, Alex Weissberg's book about Joel Brand had been published in 1956. In it, the leader of the Jewish resistance in Hungary describes Eichmann's leading role in the transports of 434000 Jews to Auschwitz and his offer to spare a million Jews for 10000 trucks. Eichmann, Brand said, was a stone-cold anti-Semite, a merciless implementer of the Final Solution in which six million Jews were murdered. Eichmann felt unjustly accused by Brand and wanted to defend himself. He had nothing at all against Jews, he told Sassen into the microphone, but had only done his duty, and the figure of six million was 'nonsense,' exaggerated beyond measure."

Further, the article says about the literature that was covered at the time:

Reading and evaluating Holocaust literature together played a decisive role in the Sassen Circle. In 1957, almost every German-language book on the subject was available in Buenos Aires. Copies of the books were also made and distributed for the discussions and could be taken home. The literature was often referred to as "enemy propaganda," "enemy literature," "enemy press," or "enemy evidence." The authors were "of the enemy" or "from the enemy side."

Eichmann quoted from the transcript of the Nuremberg trials right at the beginning. Almost thirty tapes deal with the book "The Story of Joel Brand" (1956) by Alexander Weissberg-Cybulski. A special role was played by the book "The Final Solution" (1956) by Gerald Reitlinger. This was followed by long discussions about the volume of documents "The Third Reich and the Jews" (1955) by Léon Poliakov and Joseph Wulf. From volume 39 on, they also discussed National Socialist legislation with the help of the book "Das Ausnahmerecht für Juden in Deutschland 1933-1945" (1954) by Bruno Blau. The book "Die geheime Front" (The Secret Front) by Walter Hagen (= Wilhelm Höttl) was also discussed, since Eichmann and Langer knew the author personally and because of Höttl's affidavit in Nuremberg. Eichmann also mentioned the book "Der SS-Staat" (The SS State) by Eugen Kogon and "Das Urteil von Nürnberg" (The Nuremberg verdict) (with a foreword by Robert Kempner). Bettina Stangneth writes:

"Probably no one in the late fifties studied literature on the 'Final Solution' as thoroughly and in such a well-informed circle as did the men in Buenos Aires [...]."

Fritsch went to Austria in 1958, and his Dürer publishing house and his Nazi exile magazine "Der Weg" ceased publication. Sassen also worked for this magazine, among others. Therefore, nothing was ever published by Sassen and Fritsch. When Eichmann was imprisoned in Israel, Sassen removed interviews with other participants as well as the contents of tapes 6 through 10, which contained overly explicit criticism of Israel, and had the transcript end with a lecture by Eichmann on tape 67 that read like a closing statement. This was offered to magazines and intelligence agencies. Sassen sold it to Time-Life and Stern magazines, which soon published articles. In 1979, Sassen gave the surviving documents, tapes and transcripts to Eichmann's widow, Vera.

Bettina Stangneth, author of the book "Eichmann before Jerusalem," said in an interview "Eichmann zog in Jerusalem eine perfide Show ab":

There were differences among the National Socialists after 1945 about the path to take. Some dreamed of a coup against the hated democracy. Others wanted to infiltrate the Federal Republic with a party and a large publishing network and turn back the wheel of history. Eichmann is also a problem for these people because he confirmed in Argentina that the Holocaust really existed, that it was not a propaganda lie of the victors. So they had to develop other denial strategies. These included, for example, the claim that the Holocaust did take place, but that behind it were the Zionists, who wanted to kill three birds with one stone, namely to force emigration to Palestine, get rid of the assimilated Jews and morally destroy the Germans. Even before the Sassen Round Table talks began in April 1957, articles appeared in the "Weg" with titles such as "The Role of the Gestapo," where the mass murder was attributed to a small group of conspirators who had nothing to do with National Socialism and especially Adolf Hitler. Later, in Sassen's notes, there is the suspicion that his friend Eichmann was a naive victim of the Jewish world conspiracy, who still did not understand that he was only a puppet. And at a party meeting of the German Reich Party the suspicion is raised that Eichmann himself must be a Jew. Conspiracy theory for the advanced. This nonsense persists more stubbornly than one might think possible. With Eichmann, however, this theory could not be substantiated. He was a convinced National Socialist and precisely for that reason a mass murderer, full of pride in what he had done. The only thing he regretted was that he had not quite accomplished the task and that it had not been possible to murder ten million. And with this conviction, Eichmann sits in Jerusalem and fights on.

According to Gaby Weber, Sassen is said to have had connections to American intelligence services. Eichmann also allegedly had connections to Soviet (!) intelligence services.

On May 11, 1960, Adolf Eichmann did not come home from work. Gaby Weber contradicts the official version of the Mossad kidnapping. According to her, there was no "heroic kidnapping" by the Mossad, but an extradition by Argentine officials in May 1960. She argues that Eichmann's "kidnapping" was deliberately staged (at the time of the Paris summit conference in May 1960) to divert attention from the disclosure of secret underground nuclear tests by the U.S. in Argentina, which threatened to become known in 1960 because of the Valdivia earthquake. The reason for Eichmann's removal was not his involvement in the "Holocaust" but because he talked too much, including about secret cooperation in the nuclear field between West Germany, Israel and Argentina. Gaby Weber writes:

"Was Eichmann a danger because he wanted to write a book with the Dutch SS man Willem Sassen about the 'Final Solution' and also report on his long-standing cooperation with the Zionist organizations?[...] It was probably not only Eichmann's knowledge of the explosive triangular business and the supply of natural uranium and heavy water that was decisive in getting him removed from circulation."

For the views, Weber was labeled a "conspiracy theorist" by mainstream media. On April 29, 1960, the Mercedes Benz Argentina shareholders' meeting appointed U.S. intelligence agent William Mosetti, former manager of the Standard Oil Company, as its general manager.(From 1927 to 1933 Eichmann himself had worked for the US Vacuum Oil Company from the Rockefeller empire as an agent for Upper Austria!!) 12 days later, on May 11, 1960, Eichmann did not come home. On May 12, 1960, one day after the absence, William Mosetti had Ricardo Klement (= Eichmann) deregistered from social insurance. He must therefore have known by this time that Eichmann would not be coming back - eleven days before Ben Gurion announced his capture in the Knesset. Eichmann is said to have previously told his wife that he had "an important appointment outside Buenos Aires." The next morning, his wife raised the alarm at the Mercedes factory and an "unofficial search operation was initiated" - according to a memo by former SS officer and Daimler board member Hanns-Martin Schleyer.

According to Weber, Eichmann was flown out on a Piper plane with a U.S. registration number, which took off from a local airport near Eichmann's home on May 11, 1960, and crossed the Río de la Plata toward Uruguay. In Punta del Este, Eichmann was reportedly handed over to the Israelis on May 21, 1960.

The story and the trial of Eichmann had a negative effect on Sassen. Rumors made the rounds within Argentina's German exile community about his possible involvement in Eichmann's disappearance. This had cost him his credibility. In the French national magazine Notre Europe, Sassen was accused of being a secret agent of the "enemy" whose goal was division within the Nazi movement in Argentina. There was also deep mistrust in Flemish nationalist circles. The Sassen family left Argentina after the Eichmann trial. Sassen went to Paraguay and Uruguay, among other places. In Rome, he is also said to have run a travel agency for a time.

Bettina Stangneth writes about Willem Sassen:

"After the Eichmann trial and his flop with Life, Willem Sassen also repeatedly spoke of plans to write about Eichmann after all. Even when he decided in 1979 to hand over his papers and also the tapes to the Eichmann family, he wanted to retain the right to refer to the Argentina papers in an attempt of his own. He never revealed details about the Sassen Round Table and kept his knowledge to himself even after the death of most of those involved, such as Ludolf von Alvensleben. Only the encounter with Eichmann did not let him go. In his last interview, which shows a broken and alcoholic man who can hardly speak an intelligible sentence, his thoughts still revolve around the Eichmann book. He was never able to write it, however. In the end, he apparently suffered the same fate as the novel character he himself had created at the time of his first intensive confrontation with Eichmann in 'Die Jünger und die Dirnen': [...]"

In this 1994 Spanish interview broadcast on "Edicion plus" (Telefe Buenos Aires), Sassen contradictorily said:

"Gas chambers as such, as described, did not exist. What did exist ... Gas chambers existed, of course, they existed ..."

It is conceivable that Sassen meant here the difference between man-killing gas chambers and disinfestation chambers.

Here is another article: More sophisticated than Holocaust deniers - Raffinierter als die Holocaustleugner

Here is a book as PDF by Gaby Weber from 2012: Eichmann wurde noch gebraucht – Der Massenmörder und der Kalte Krieg

And here is a recent documentary from 2021 by Gaby Weber (in english) about the Eichmann trial: Pimpel and Bluestar- The BND files on the Eichmann criminal case

Weber is not a revisionist, but her research is very interesting. Eichmann's lawyer, Robert Servatius, was an agent of the BND and all steps were coordinated with BND chief Gehlen.

What does the revisionist community actually think of this whole issue? I don't think there is a book on this by the revisionists, is there? Why was the Sassen interview kept secret for so long and the tapes are still not online, while the Eichmann trial is completely available on YouTube?

Sorry, I am new here. Looking forward to your thoughts.

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FYI, quite a lot here on Eichmann / Sassen.
Quick examples:

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and:
Eichmann Interview by Sassen
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At the CODOH Forum, "Search found 61 matches: sassen eichmann":
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Thanks & welcome, M1

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I just reread my comments after reading supposed Eichmann in his own words in the Life Magazine article from 11/28/1960, and what a fraud it was. It was a propaganda operation coinciding with his kidnapping.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6479&p=96362&hilit=eichmann+life+magazine#p96362

And I'm not talking about just this Eichmann fake account, I mean the whole Eichmann capture/account gestalt, if you will. They are related, the plan already made: because the Life article (Nov. 28, 1960) has him talking about a captured Uboat engine (page 102) and later he says that in his trial in Israel, so the whole Israeli scheme was already orchestrated.

The point being only a propagandist would have a captured Russian uboat engine in the story. The Germans didn't even capture any Russian uboats. It wouldn't make sense to haul such an unusual engine inland, and to use it for the purpose of making poison gas. So dumb.

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Trying to give your comment a thumbs up. The Russian submarine engine thingy is one of the most laughable ideas in the whole fifty million page books of holocaust stupid ideas.

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I just reread my comments after reading supposed Eichmann in his own words in the Life Magazine article from 11/28/1960, and what a fraud it was. It was a propaganda operation coinciding with his kidnapping.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6479&p=96362&hilit=eichmann+life+magazine#p96362

And I'm not talking about just this Eichmann fake account, I mean the whole Eichmann capture/account gestalt, if you will. They are related, the plan already made: because the Life article (Nov. 28, 1960) has him talking about a captured Uboat engine (page 102) and later he says that in his trial in Israel, so the whole Israeli scheme was already orchestrated.

The point being only a propagandist would have a captured Russian uboat engine in the story. The Germans didn't even capture any Russian uboats. It wouldn't make sense to haul such an unusual engine inland, and to use it for the purpose of making poison gas. So dumb.

That's why I said that the Eichmann trial videos were actually a gift to Revisionism.

As for Gaby Weber, she seems to believe the Holocaust Narrative. She's just very suspicious about the circumstances of the Eichmann Trial. So it's a very mild form of Revisionism. But nevertheless, it may be a good start.

There are more odd statements being made at the Eichmann Trial.

The problem with the Weber approach is that they assume what has been asserted and pushed forward prior to trials, but is never actually proven.
And that's the crux of the matter there. Assuming what needs to be proven and then turning anything into 'proof' for what is already assumed. After all, why should they have trial about something that never happened, right. That's of course not to say that there were no deportation, confiscation, executions, etc. The point is just that there was no attempt or plan to 'exterminate all Jews within reach'. The policy was removal, simple as that.

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Incidentally, it became known in December 2022 that the long unidentified "Dr. Langer" who regularly attended the 1957 Sassen Roundtable was Dr. Ernst Chlan, SD Section Chief for the City of Vienna.

Interestingly, Eichmann had already revealed this name in Jerusalem: "Dr. Klan". But it was transcribed incorrectly. Why nobody checked the different spellings, no idea. Anyway, it is significant that the preserved tapes are still not simply published in full. For 30 years the same short sequences are shown in different documentaries.

Dr. Langer = Dr. Ernst Chlan

Ernst Chlan
Die Tarnung bestand 76 Jahre
Eichmanns geheimnisvoller Gesprächspartner in den „Sassen-Interviews“ – Dr. Ernst Chlan, alias Dr. Franz Langer
Enttarnung eines Nazi-Schergen
83-Jährige erkennt Nazi-Schergen als ihren Reiseleiter

A participant who was almost always present, but not identified until 2022, was called Dr. Langer by all participants. His real name was Ernst Chlan. Sassen apparently assured him of discretion. Among other things, he gave a long lecture on the personality of Wilhelm Höttl, whom he probably knew very well in his official capacity from Vienna.

Dr. Langer reports in Argentina that already in May 1945 threats against Höttl were heard everywhere in the Vienna area.

"A great hatred against Höttl was noticeable in all of them. So 'If I catch this guy, I'll kill him,' etc., I heard not from one but from several of these people."

Langer is considered an expert on the percentage of Jews in the SS:

"It was small. After the Aryan Proof, however, a few more. One cannot determine a percentage. In Austria there were probably more than in the Altreich."

In addition, Dr. Langer had a few discussions or arguments with Eichmann. Eichmann often remarked that Langer was at the Sicherheitsdienst (SD) in Vienna and had not done any military service. In one heated discussion, Eichmann questioned why he was interfering in matters about which he obviously had no knowledge ("You ridiculous pimp! Did you fight at the front?"). Dr. Langer asked Eichmann critical legal questions. In the context, they discussed the book "Das Ausnahmerecht für Juden in Deutschland 1933-1945" (1954) by the author Bruno Blau. Langer himself believed in a Jewish world conspiracy.

When Eichmann told about his time after the Anschluss of Austria, Dr. Langer remarked:

"I was working in another SD section in Austria around that time, and we had the task of judging civil servants under this law, i.e., on whether they were Jews or not."

He was also able to give personal impressions of prominent National Socialists such as Hans Rauter or Arthur Seyß-Inquart. Once he reported:

"I had a Ustf. [Untersturmführer] in my office, he then came to the conclusion that he was quarter Jewish, he wanted to kill himself, I stopped him, he then joined the Luftwaffe, he did fantastically well there [...] and as I am told, he played a major role in the new national movement in Austria now again after the war."

At the Langer lecture or Chlan lecture, he then spoke for about 20 minutes about Wilhelm Höttl, the "key witness" at Nuremberg for the statement that Eichmann had given the figure of 6 million at the end of the war. Langer had a written submission and also spoke about the Höttl book, "Die geheime Front – Organisation, Personen und Aktionen des deutschen Geheimdienstes“ (1950). Langer reported on Höttl's bad reputation and on his scheming nature. Dr. Langer himself apparently had access to the Mauthausen concentration camp. "In the course of a frequent stay there, the Dutch Jews had just been brought before me." According to his testimony, he knew the commandant Franz Ziereis and related "a personal experience where the concentration camp commandant explained to me, this group of Jews, they were assigned to this work, which is practically a job that one can only do for a few days."

Sassen apparently wanted to assess Eichmann's statements with the help of Dr. Langer. During a highly concentrated discussion between Eichmann and Langer, Sassen can suddenly be heard on the tape whispering softly to Langer, "Keep drilling!"

This information comes from the book by Bettina Stangneth. However, we are still not really smarter now. Was Ernst Chlan skeptical about the official version or not?

Unfortunately Prof. Dr. Johann von Leers did not take part in the talks in 1957, because he already moved to Cairo in the summer of 1956. He would certainly have asked clear questions.

However, we know that Leers met briefly with Eichmann in 1955. Leers later described this in a statement or letter to the editor in 1961:

[...] Ben Gurion lets it be known that I am a friend of Eichmann and puts me at the top of a list of "Nazi criminals" whom he still wants to track down and kidnap in Arab and other countries. I never knew Eichmann, heard his name for the first time in Buenos Aires in 1955, spoke to him once briefly and tried to learn from him the historical truth about the number of Jews who died in the concentration camps, he gave no information about it. This seems understandable, of course, if it should be true that Eichmann is of Jewish descent, as is said to have been announced from Tel Aviv.

Journalist Arthur John Osman met Leers in Cairo and later wrote in his memoir "Life, Love, Laughter, Liberty" (2015):

Apart from the British traitor "Kim" Philby, I would place at the top of my list of questionable people I have met (even before the names of the late Idi Amin of Uganda and of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe) anunregenerate Nazi. This was a former official of the Nazi foreign office and a Nazi propagandist, Professor Johann von Leers. I met him in Cairo in 1960, after Israel's arrest of Adolf Eichmann, who was accused of supervising for Hitler the extermination of six million Jews. Eichmann was tried in court before television cameras, found guilty of crimes against humanity, and executed. The professor suggested to me that the arrest "may be part of a big Israeli plot".

Three years before I interviewed him, von Leers had embraced the Islamic faith and used the name "Amin Omar". He disclosed to me that he had met Eichmann in Buenos Aires in 1955, before Israeli agents had tracked him down there. I reported:

Eichmann, he said, was then living in Argentina with a false Vatican City passport. He talked to him for twenty minutes at an engineering firm called Capri, which was staffed largely by former SS officers and Nazis.

I talked to von Leers and his wife in the pleasant villa of the Cairo suburb of Maadi, where they have lived with their daughter since 1956. It was the first time they had received a British journalist since they came to the United Arab Republic (as Nasser's Egypt was then known) "after Peron's fall in Argentina". The fifty-eight-year-old German professor, who showed me an anti-Semitic tract which he wrote in Germany before the war, emphasised to me, "I am of the opinion that Israel has no right to judge Eichmann. That state has no right to judge anybody."

Von Leers stated that he first met Eichmann "when I went to live in Argentina, in a free country under Peron, because Germany was already enslavedby the so-called free democracy". There were, he added, "stinking lies" in the newspapers about five million Jews having been gassed, and “as [a] historian, I wanted to talk to Eichmann to know the truth".

However, Eichmann refused to talk to him. I asked him why. Then Von Leers (or "Amin Omar") went on to make claims of such extravagance that I found difficulty in believing he was actually advancing them, although I reported them faithfully:

"It was known everywhere in Argentina that Eichmann was living under the protection of Jews whom he had helped to escape from Germany. They were the Rothschilds and the Hungarian Scheyer family. He had done this as an act of insurance when he had foreseen the end of the Third Reich. Many people felt that Eichmann himself was a Jew who had been made an honorary Aryan. I did not like the man. He was dull and unimaginative. I told him he should tell the truth about the gassing of the Jews as so many people had been accused of it."

In Argentina, said von Leers, Eichmann had used two names. "After Peron's fall, when the Jews and clerics, vultures and ravens, took over in Argentina, I came here."

It was a bizarre and somewhat chilling interview.

Johann von Leers maintained correspondence with Maurice Bardèche, Paul Rassinier, Karl Heinz Priester, Hermann Gauch, and others. Some letters are about Rassinier's book "Das Drama der Juden Europas: Eine technische Studie" (1965). There is evidence that Johann von Leers promoted/supported the writing of revisionist authors, among other things through translation work and the mediation of relevant manuscripts to publishers.

His meeting with Eichmann in 1955 is quite interesting. Von Leers probably saw Eichmann as an agent.

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Johann von Leers maintained correspondence with Maurice Bardèche, Paul Rassinier, Karl Heinz Priester, Hermann Gauch, and others. Some letters are about Rassinier's book "Das Drama der Juden Europas: Eine technische Studie" (1965). There is evidence that Johann von Leers promoted/supported the writing of revisionist authors, among other things through translation work and the mediation of relevant manuscripts to publishers.

His meeting with Eichmann in 1955 is quite interesting. Von Leers probably saw Eichmann as an agent.

The pre-Eichmann-Trial Revisionist works should be of interest. I wonder how they dealt with the issue of 'psychological warfare'. If they even knew what that is. The question should have come up how the information was manufactured and what the goal of this was. It's of course implicit, but with sykewar it got also a name and concept behind it. Also, what has been said at the Eichmann show trial was rather hilarious. Watching the testimonies is an eyeopener. This is simply too obvious that all they care about is promotion an not about saying something relevant to the case. The 'witnesses' also testified at other trials and perhaps there are contradictions of omission depending where they said what to whom.