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Postby Hektor » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:19 pm)

Patric Buchanan had also something to say on the case:

The True Haters
by Patrick J. Buchanan

04/14/2009


On Good Friday, John Demjanjuk, 89 and gravely ill, was ordered deported to Germany to stand trial as an accessory to the murder of 29,000 Jews -- at Sobibor camp in Poland.

Sound familiar? It should. It is a re-enactment of the 1986 extradition of John Demjanjuk to Israel to be tried for the murder of 870,000 Jews -- at Treblinka camp in Poland.

How many men in the history of this country have been so relentlessly pursued and remorselessly persecuted?

The ordeal of this American Dreyfus began 30 years ago.

In 1979, the Office of Special Investigations (OSI) at Justice, goaded and guided by Yuri Andropov's KGB, was persuaded that Demjanjuk was "Ivan the Terrible," a huge, brutal, sadistic guard at Treblinka, who bashed in babies' heads and slashed off women's breasts, as he drove hundreds of thousands of Jews into the gas chambers.

Demjanjuk's defense was simple: I was never at Treblinka.

Yet, a dozen survivors, shown a photo spread, identified him as the beast of Treblinka. In 1986, OSI had him extradited to Israel. In 1988, he was convicted and sentenced to death. The greatest Holocaust monster since Mengele was to be hanged.

His family, friends and lawyers did not give up. They scoured Europe and, in the last days of the Soviet Union, struck pay dirt. In Moscow's files on Treblinka they discovered a photo of the real "Ivan," a far bigger, more mature man than the 23-year-old Demjanjuk in 1943.

Ivan Marchenko was positively identified as Ivan the Terrible.

To its eternal credit, Israel's Supreme Court threw aside the verdict and stopped Demjanjuk from being the first man hanged in Jerusalem since Adolf Eichmann in 1961.

A humiliated OSI, through its Israeli friends, now asked the court to authorize a new trial, charging Demjanjuk with having been a guard at Sobibor -- during the same time they previously charged he had been at Treblinka.

What OSI was admitting was that its case against Demjanjuk, to see him hang from the gallows as "Ivan the Terrible," had been based on flimsy or falsified evidence and worthless or perjured testimony.

Replied the court, we don't do double jeopardy here in Israel.

Demjanjuk was released. And the grin of the jailer who opened his cell testified that many in Israel never accepted the charge that this simple man was some unrivaled devil of the Holocaust.

So, after 13 years, the last four on death row reflecting on his hanging for horrors he never committed, Demjanjuk came home to Cleveland, a free man. His citizenship was restored.

Though disgraced, OSI was not ready to throw in its hand. For it had been dealt a new card by its old comrades in the KGB.

The new evidence was a signed statement by one "Danilchenko," who claimed to have been a guard at Sobibor and had worked with Demjanjuk. As this document would have blown up the Treblinka case in Jerusalem, OSI had withheld it from the defense.

Another document turned up suggesting that Demjanjuk had indeed, after training at Trawniki camp, been assigned to Sobibor.

When the defense asked to interrogate "Danilchenko," to verify he had made and signed the statement and to question him on details, they were told this was not possible. Seems Danilchenko had died after signing.

So, after the first 13 years of his ordeal took him right up to a gallows in Jerusalem, Demjanjuk has now been pursued for another 17 years by an OSI that will not rest until he has been convicted, somewhere, of genocide.

And so we come to today.

Demjanjuk is to be taken to Germany and prosecuted as an accessory to the murder of 29,000 Jews at Sobibor -- though not one living person can place him at that camp and not even the German prosecutor will say that he ever hurt anyone. One witness in Israel, who was at Sobibor and says he knew all the camp guards, says he never saw Demjanjuk there.

If Friday's ruling is upheld, John Demjanjuk, who has been charged with no crime on German soil, is to be taken to Germany, home of the Third Reich, to be tried by Germans for his alleged role in a genocide planned and perpetrated by Germans. He is to serve as the sacrificial lamb whose blood washes away the stain of Germany's sins.

But if Germans wish to prosecute participants in the Holocaust, why not round up some old big-time Nazis, instead of a Ukrainian POW.

Answer: They cannot. Because the Germans voted an amnesty for themselves in 1969. So now they must find a Slav soldier they captured -- and Heinrich Himmler's SS conscripted and made a camp guard, if he ever was a camp guard -- to punish in expiation for Germany's sins.

The spirit behind this un-American persecution has never been that of justice tempered by mercy. It is the same satanic brew of hate and revenge that drove another innocent Man up Calvary that first Good Friday 2,000 years ago.


Source: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31454
Note that there are lots of comments.

Will he follow Mel Gibson :shock: ?

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Postby Roscov » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:10 am)

Hektor wrote:Patric Buchanan had also something to say on the case:


Source: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31454
Note that there are lots of comments.

Will he follow Mel Gibson :shock: ?

Pat is quite a critic of Israel; I read his articles at Counterpunch regularly.

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Postby friedrich braun » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:00 pm)

The Case Against Demjanjuk and Buchanan

Judge Matia noted that the "guards assigned to Sobibor met arriving transports of Jews, forcibly unloaded the Jews from the trains, compelled them to disrobe, and drove them into gas chambers where they were murdered by asphyxiation with carbon monoxide… In serving at Sobibor, Defendant contributed to the process by which thousands of Jews were murdered…

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/04/15/th ... -and/print

Using that logic any American prison guard who straps in an inmate to an electric chair is a murderer who should in turn be convicted of murder and killed.

Typical double-talk.
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Postby Malle » 1 decade 4 years ago (Mon May 11, 2009 7:49 pm)

According to Swedish news he is on his way to Germany right now. :roll:

More news:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD984BAJO0
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Postby holographic » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed May 13, 2009 10:38 am)

this amounts to nothing more than a death wish for this senior citizen from the corrupt powers that be. Ah yes..."Ivan the terrible!!"...it's really all the mass mind and consensus reality in general needs to hear isn't it? It immediately invokes images of the alleged 6 million etc. ad nauseum.

Not a SINGLE Stalinist functionary, torturer, commandant, or soldier has ever been treated this way. with many I'm sure still living on state pensions.

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Postby ginger » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed May 13, 2009 12:22 pm)

This is so distressing!

Our Justice Department played a major role in getting this man deported, even though he lived in the U.S. peacefully for decades. This is worse than waterboarding.

From what I've read German school children are taught about the gassing of Jews at Sobibor, and in Germany it is criminal to challenge this history, so that the gassing at Sobibor will be "judicially noticed" and not open to question.

Can they tie Demjanjuk to the gassings at Sobibor? They may have some evidence that places him at Sobibor, evidence that is new, just recently coming to light! Such new evidence should be suspect, should be excluded the proceedings. What else do they have tying him to the gassing of Jews at Sobibor? They need only to place him there with newly discovered evidence.

It is painful to see what is happening to Demjanjuk, and that our government played a major role in making it happen. :oops:

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Re: John Demjanjuk to be deported and tried *again*

Postby ginger » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:19 pm)

I heard a BBC World News report last night that John Demjanjuk's trial will begin Monday, I believe somewhere in Germany.

They reproted that one witness for the prosecution will be Philip Bialowitz who survived Sobibor. According to Mr. Bialowitz, he was separated from his family and never saw them again. He was selected to be a slave laborer at Sobibor. Soon after he arrived another prisoner asked him about his family, and was told that they would be killed and turned into smoke. Mr. Bialowitz saw smoke coming from a fire at the camp.

His story is very similar to the one told to Bradley Smith and David Cole on a Phil Donohue Show in 1995 by a woman survivor of Auschwitz - she claimed she was separated from her family, never saw them again, and was told by other prisoners that her family was killed and turned into smoke. She too saw a fire at the camp.

Both she, a survivor of Auschwitz, and Mr. Bialowitz, a survivor of Sobibor, tell a remarkably similar story; both rely on second hand information from other prisoners for the substance of their testimony. What a travestry of justice to convict John Demjanjuk on flimsy hearsay evidence.

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Re: John Demjanjuk to be deported and tried *again*

Postby Ilikerealhistory » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:58 pm)

ginger wrote:I heard a BBC World News report last night that John Demjanjuk's trial will begin Monday, I believe somewhere in Germany.

They reproted that one witness for the prosecution will be Philip Bialowitz who survived Sobibor. According to Mr. Bialowitz, he was separated from his family and never saw them again. He was selected to be a slave laborer at Sobibor. Soon after he arrived another prisoner asked him about his family, and was told that they would be killed and turned into smoke. Mr. Bialowitz saw smoke coming from a fire at the camp.

His story is very similar to the one told to Bradley Smith and David Cole on a Phil Donohue Show in 1995 by a woman survivor of Auschwitz - she claimed she was separated from her family, never saw them again, and was told by other prisoners that her family was killed and turned into smoke. She too saw a fire at the camp.

Both she, a survivor of Auschwitz, and Mr. Bialowitz, a survivor of Sobibor, tell a remarkably similar story; both rely on second hand information from other prisoners for the substance of their testimony. What a travestry of justice to convict John Demjanjuk on flimsy hearsay evidence.



I think they call it "hear say" evidence in the US, and it is not allowed (in normal trials). They heard someone say something, so therefor it is true. :roll: Is there any proof that either survivor actually had a family. The Germans did not deliberately separate families. Anne Frank was not separated from her father until she left Auschwitz.

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Re: John Demjanjuk to be deported and tried *again*

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 week ago (Mon May 01, 2023 8:35 am)

simon1003 wrote:.....
On top of the list of the most wanted Nazi war criminals is Dr Aribert Heim, a camp doctor in Mauthausen, who has been pursued doggedly by the Simon Wiesenthal Centre. Nicknamed “Doctor Death” the 94-year-old has yet to be captured – he may not even be alive – and it is unlikely that he will ever be put in the dock.

The most recent big Nazi trial in Germany was in 1992, when the SS officer Josef Schwammberger was jailed for life for murder and being an accomplice to murder in 650 cases. He died in prison in 2004.

If the Demjanjuk trial takes place it will be an important landmark for Germany, a final historical reckoning in the courtroom.
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"Der Spiegel" reported on the trial:
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/nein-das ... 0013489932
As always, lots of contradictory testimony and zero physical evidence.


One witness did even say that "Schwammberger was good":
Einen Menschen wie diesen Louis Berger würde man nicht wagen zu erfinden, aber es gibt ihn. Er ist so unglaublich wie das, was in den Lagern geschah. Schwammberger ist zu ihm gut gewesen, und das muß er doch sagen. Daß der für andere der Inbegriff des Bösen war und ist, nun ja - aber es ist doch jeder gut und böse. Es muß doch auch gesagt werden, was einer Gutes getan hat. Kindisch mag man sagen oder naiv oder dumm. Louis Berger hat nichts davon, daß er aussagt, woran er sich erinnert. »Schwammberger war gut zu mir, zu uns allen« - zu ihm, zu denen, die seine Handwerker waren.

Man hört ihn fassungslos und auch betroffen. Manchmal kämpft der Zeuge während seiner Aussage mit Tränen. Einen Kummer nimmt er mit, als er vom Gericht entlassen wird. Josef Schwammberger hat sich nicht an ihn erinnert. »Herr Schwammberger, ich habe Ihnen die Stiefel gemacht«, hat der Zeuge ihn gleich zu Beginn beschworen. Doch der hat scharf erwidert: »Nein, das muß ein Irrtum sein. Mir hat keiner Stiefel gemacht.« Daß einer ihn nicht angreift, ist für den Angeklagten nicht zu fassen. Der Zeuge versucht es später ein zweites Mal, wieder erfolglos. Diesmal bleibt der Angeklagte stumm. Bei ihm hat Schwammberger, sagt der Zeuge, das nicht gemacht, was man ihm vorwirft. War es Schwammberger, daß er überlebt hat? Vielleicht, oder »Das mag sein mein Schicksal«, grübelt er.

Schwammberger did not remember him.
After 40 years most of the memories are diminished and possibly garbeled. But witness coaching, which is likely in politically charged cases, can do wonders there.

I recall from the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial that exonerating witnesses were obstructed by governments. There was good indication that witnesses were coached as well. What made the trial also special was that GDR-lawyers were part of the prosecution. Clearly because they had an interest in the matter that were unrelated to the "administration of justice". Some of their witnesses were communist officials, hence under 'party discipline'. One was even a minister of industries. What is unbelievable that virtually no political expert nor historians seem to ever notice this kind of problem for trials that try to "write history".


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