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An amusing little misremembrance on Treblinka from a trashy novel

Postby Waldgänger » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:47 am)

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"Caucasia", 1998
Danzy Senna, p. 32

As any revisionist who has read about this camp will know, the mainstream narrative says that Treblinka was entirely dismantled, covered over, the ground tilled, and even lupins planted around a charming fake farmer's cottage, to hide the "genocide" which had occurred there. The Soviets could not possibly have taken photos of prisoners being liberated.

This goes to illustrate the ignorance that normal people have about the Holocaust. Their narratives are confused and meaningless clusters of emotion, half-remembered names, photographs. In order to discuss this issue rationally, one has to divest them of many built-up layers of sentiment that defy logic-making. It is a hard task, but a fascinating one and very rewarding when that one question hits them and they perk up and say "wait, what?"

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Re: An amusing little misremembrance on Treblinka from a trashy novel

Postby borjastick » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:51 pm)

'Literature and existentialism'. The cynic in me wants to laugh out loud how these people try so hard to come across as deep, meaningful, worthy and thus should be believed because they are such good people. Yawn...

But it is all part of the scam. Another brick in the wall of deception.

As you say though the claim was absurd in one sentence. This one claim should disqualify the whole story.

The reality is, and let's be honest here not one jot of hard evidence has been produced to counter this, Treblinka II was a short term transit camp built for a specific purpose. Once the job had been done the camp was dismantled. Pure and simple
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Re: An amusing little misremembrance on Treblinka from a trashy novel

Postby Nazgul » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:32 pm)

Waldgänger wrote:Image

"Caucasia", 1998
Danzy Senna, p. 32

As any revisionist who has read about this camp will know, the mainstream narrative says that Treblinka was entirely dismantled, covered over, the ground tilled, and even lupins planted around a charming fake farmer's cottage, to hide the "genocide" which had occurred there. The Soviets could not possibly have taken photos of prisoners being liberated.

You may find this interesting

link Amicus Curiae

The Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland, compiled in late 1945, [which] stated that the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized with aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after its liberation by an engineers unit of the 65th Red Army. This obliteration of traces of the Treblinka II camp by the Soviets took place because the Soviet propaganda machine tried to attach a 3,500,000 victim-count to this small, 12-hectare transit camp. Apparently, the Soviets were afraid that the Allies might request an international commission of investigation of the camp, as demanded by the November 15th, 1942 report of the underground government of the Warsaw ghetto. The report of the Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland was explicit in putting the blame for this obliteration of the camp where it belonged, on the Red Army, for the: "premeditated destruction of evidence of German crimes and atrocities as well as profanation of partially cremated human remains and ashes."


I became interested in the document due to the claim of a Treblinka III extermination facility at the apparent location of the current Czerwony Bór prison. This is smack in the middle of the forest with the same name.

The pronunciation of Czerwony Bor and Sobi Bor to a foreigner could easily be mistaken for one another.
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Re: An amusing little misremembrance on Treblinka from a trashy novel

Postby hermod » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:40 am)

Holohoaxers often try to exploit the health disaster generated by Allied bombers in the last concentration camps of the collapsing Third Reich. They know that the false captioning of those terrible scenes of epidemic devastation is their best asset. It always exempted them from proving their allegations about the alleged extermination of the Jews during WWII.





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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: An amusing little misremembrance on Treblinka from a trashy novel

Postby Waldgänger » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:28 pm)

Nazgul wrote:
Waldgänger wrote:Image

"Caucasia", 1998
Danzy Senna, p. 32

As any revisionist who has read about this camp will know, the mainstream narrative says that Treblinka was entirely dismantled, covered over, the ground tilled, and even lupins planted around a charming fake farmer's cottage, to hide the "genocide" which had occurred there. The Soviets could not possibly have taken photos of prisoners being liberated.

You may find this interesting

link Amicus Curiae

The Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland, compiled in late 1945, [which] stated that the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized with aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after its liberation by an engineers unit of the 65th Red Army. This obliteration of traces of the Treblinka II camp by the Soviets took place because the Soviet propaganda machine tried to attach a 3,500,000 victim-count to this small, 12-hectare transit camp. Apparently, the Soviets were afraid that the Allies might request an international commission of investigation of the camp, as demanded by the November 15th, 1942 report of the underground government of the Warsaw ghetto. The report of the Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland was explicit in putting the blame for this obliteration of the camp where it belonged, on the Red Army, for the: "premeditated destruction of evidence of German crimes and atrocities as well as profanation of partially cremated human remains and ashes."


I became interested in the document due to the claim of a Treblinka III extermination facility at the apparent location of the current Czerwony Bór prison. This is smack in the middle of the forest with the same name.

The pronunciation of Czerwony Bor and Sobi Bor to a foreigner could easily be mistaken for one another.


This is explosive Nazgul, thank you. I already know I will enjoy the amicus brief because of this: "About 40 various plans of the Treblinka-II camp drawn for or by survivors present graphic and astonishing proof of unreliability of their memory". Astonishing.

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Re: An amusing little misremembrance on Treblinka from a trashy novel

Postby Waldgänger » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:01 pm)

hermod wrote:Holohoaxers often try to exploit the health disaster generated by Allied bombers in the last concentration camps of the collapsing Third Reich. They know that the false captioning of those terrible scenes of epidemic devastation is their best asset.


Yes, for me the Revisionist questions began when I learned about the "fake news" that is these photographs. In a few interactions with normal people, I realised soon that the only reason they believe in gas chambers is these images from Western camps. It was a great scandal to me, and collapsed my faith in much more than just the Holocaust narrative. That it happened during the outrageous Covid lockdowns was perhaps a felicitous coincidence, reinforcing it all as a series of shams & importunities foisted on the masses as a sort of Game Theory control method.

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Re: An amusing little misremembrance on Treblinka from a trashy novel

Postby Hektor » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:25 pm)

Waldgänger wrote:
hermod wrote:Holohoaxers often try to exploit the health disaster generated by Allied bombers in the last concentration camps of the collapsing Third Reich. They know that the false captioning of those terrible scenes of epidemic devastation is their best asset.


Yes, for me the Revisionist questions began when I learned about the "fake news" that is these photographs. In a few interactions with normal people, I realised soon that the only reason they believe in gas chambers is these images from Western camps. It was a great scandal to me, and collapsed my faith in much more than just the Holocaust narrative. That it happened during the outrageous Covid lockdowns was perhaps a felicitous coincidence, reinforcing it all as a series of shams & importunities foisted on the masses as a sort of Game Theory control method.


It's the 'death mill' pictures they will run to, when challenged. The other item on the list would be 'testimony'... Especially "Nazi confessions". When the question of physical evidence comes up, they will show gruesome photos taken in Belsen, Buchenwald or Dachau. That especially the Buchenwald viewings were a staged event by 'psychological warfare' is well documented. But most Holocaustians won't realize the significance of this. Their ignorance becomes an argument 'for them'.

And well, you are spot on. With the COVID scam similar methods of persuasion were used. Just that they are now using 'social media' to spread information. And fear of disease to push people into compliance is being used. It was quite shocking to experience, but it had the character of a field experiment as if one was testing the waters. The opportunity was used to milk public funds and earn on the mayhem shifting wealth from middle class to the wealthy top.

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Re: An amusing little misremembrance on Treblinka from a trashy novel

Postby hermod » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:53 pm)

Waldgänger wrote:
hermod wrote:Holohoaxers often try to exploit the health disaster generated by Allied bombers in the last concentration camps of the collapsing Third Reich. They know that the false captioning of those terrible scenes of epidemic devastation is their best asset.


Yes, for me the Revisionist questions began when I learned about the "fake news" that is these photographs. In a few interactions with normal people, I realised soon that the only reason they believe in gas chambers is these images from Western camps. It was a great scandal to me, and collapsed my faith in much more than just the Holocaust narrative.


A terribly effective trick...

"What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes." - Famous illusionist Harry Houdini

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance --- that principle is contempt prior to investigation." - Herbert Spencer

Is there anything more annoying than the arrogant smile of an ignorant Holocaust believer who mistakenly believes he/she has seen the Holocaust with his/her own eyes and doesn't even plan to listen to your arguments?

You can see a notorious instance of that trick in the video below.

HOLOCAUST DEBATE PHIL DONAHUE SHOW W/ BRADLEY SMITH AND DAVID COLE

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"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Re: An amusing little misremembrance on Treblinka from a trashy novel

Postby hermod » 4 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:21 pm)

Hektor wrote:It's the 'death mill' pictures they will run to, when challenged. The other item on the list would be 'testimony'... Especially "Nazi confessions". When the question of physical evidence comes up, they will show gruesome photos taken in Belsen, Buchenwald or Dachau. That especially the Buchenwald viewings were a staged event by 'psychological warfare' is well documented.


In defense of the Allied psychological warriors, they couldn't do without such tricks (especially the trick of the falsely captioned pics of typhus victims) because the atrocity stories they were supposed to use in order to sell the Allied 'cause' were not-yet-forgotten atrocity stories rehashed from the First World War. As a consequence of that state of affairs, they were vastly disbelieved by a significant number of people until they finally showed the things they had been talking about for several years (it was deceptively claimed or implied and falsely believed) with impressive photos of a big health disaster mostly caused by the Allied bombing policy.
"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925


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