Challenge to supporters of the "transit camp" theory

[Mulegino1]

Official pro hoax historiography cannot even agree on a murder weapon for the Reinhardt camps, alternately claiming steam chambers, diesel exhaust - non-lethal - and internal combustion exhaust - not to mention the more exotic methods claimed, such as execution by tree felling.

When you are dealing with a false narrative, the lies can only become more and more abundant. Those who believe in the official version of the 6 million legend are caught in the fly paper of lies - the more they struggle against the facts and common sense, the more they get stuck in their own credulity and ultimately, mendacity.

When historical narratives are true, all one requires is a simple explanation. For example: "How did the Soviets murder the Polish officers at Katyn?" Answer: "With a pistol which shot a bullet into their heads." "Where are the bodies buried?" "In mass graves near Smolensk. They were discovered, the victims were exhumed and determined to have been murdered during the Soviet occupation of the area." "Why was German ammunition found to have been used if the Soviets had killed the prisoners?" "The Soviets used German manufactured pistols because they were of smaller caliber and did not have the considerable recoil of the Soviet standard issue pistols; using the larger caliber pistols for tens of thousands of rounds in a few days would have resulted in hand and arm injuries to the executioners." See how easy it is?

Unlike the Katyn massacres, the Reinhardt legend does not possess even the appearance of plausibility. The murder weapon or weapons have not been determined and the mass graves and the outdoor cremation accounts claimed for Treblinka II are complete and utter fabrications. The entire legend clashes with the hard but easily verifiable facts of technics and logistics. The mass graves claimed to have been dug at Treblinka II would have required a fleet of earth moving equipment and involved removing mountains of earth from the ground. The outdoor cremations would have required hundreds of MILLIONS of pounds of dried, cured firewood- and enormous warehouses to keep the firewood dry in a region with over one hundred inches of precipitation - rain, snow, sleet and hail - per annum.

[CognitiveDestruction]

Roberto:

So a total of 1,419,467 persons are supposed to have been transited to the "Russian East" in this period through these camps alone, instead of being killed at these camps as all known evidence shows them to have been.

Roberto, if "a total of 1,419,467 persons" were "killed at these camps as all known evidence shows them to have been," then:

How many names is it possible for the "supporters of the 'transit camp' theory" to gather?

Zero, and that's the point of the challenge.

Alright, I'm about to seriously consider you a troll unless you actually make an effort to refute Hannover. You're claiming we can't pull a single name to support our theory, yet: We have a source that says a person died at one of the Reinhard camps, but another claims that this exact same person was found in the Russian East. What more do you need to prove to you that it's at least possible? Do you have any other plausible explanation as to how this person made it out of that camp, alive? You don't? Then that person was transited.

[CWhite]

Roberto:

So a total of 1,419,467 persons are supposed to have been transited to the "Russian East" in this period through these camps alone, instead of being killed at these camps as all known evidence shows them to have been.

Roberto, if "a total of 1,419,467 persons" were "killed at these camps [Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II] as all known evidence shows them to have been," then:

How many names is it possible for the "supporters of the 'transit camp' theory" to gather?

Zero, and that's the point of the challenge.

So tell us then Roberto:

1 - Has it ever been claimed / alleged / insinuated in orthodox historiography and/or the media that; legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have located / proven the existence of numerous discernable / measurable extant mass graves within the boundaries of each of the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps - Yes. - or - No. - ??
 
2 - Is it known - with the utmost certainty - that; legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of numerous discernable / measurable extant mass graves within the boundaries of each of the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps - Yes. - or - No. - ??
 
3 - Is it reasonable to doubt that; legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have located / proven the existence of numerous discernable / measurable extant mass graves within the boundaries of each of the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps - Yes. - or - No. - ??
 
4 - Has it ever been proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that; legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of numerous discernable / measurable extant mass graves within the boundaries of each of the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps - Yes. - or - No. - ??
 
5 - If your answer to the last question is - Yes. - then; if you wanted to, could you post said proof on an internet website - Yes. - or - No. - ??

[CWhite]

Roberto:

Needless to say, I'm not "ignoring" or "dodging" anything.

That is a lie Roberto. You ignored / dodged these simple questions:

BTW Roberto, if "all known evidence shows" that "a total of 1,419,467 persons" were "killed at these camps," then why are you not showing us where they are, rather than asking us to prove they are somewhere you insist they aren't?

Which leads to a follow up question Roberto: How many graves were those "1,419,467 persons" buried in?

[CWhite]

Roberto:

Needless to say, I'm not "ignoring" or "dodging" anything.

Roberto, do you deny ignoring / dodging this question:

SFinesilver

RM:

This challenge was born out of an amenable conversation between my old friend Greg Gerdes and me on the threads

$1,000.00 REWARD FOR THE NAME OF JUST ONE GASSED JEW

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http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... onist.html

Did you receive a $1,000.00 reward roberto - Yes. - or - No. - ??

On that "other forum" at least 8 times - Yes. - or - No. - ??

[CWhite]

Roberto:

So a total of 1,419,467 persons are supposed to have been transited to the "Russian East" in this period through these camps alone, instead of being killed at these camps as all known evidence shows them to have been.

Roberto, if "a total of 1,419,467 persons" were "killed at these camps as all known evidence shows them to have been," then:

How many names is it possible for the "supporters of the 'transit camp' theory" to gather?

Zero, and that's the point of the challenge.

So tell us Roberto, of those - 1,419,467 persons - how many can you prove were jews?

And how many of those proven jews can you prove actually set foot in:

Belzec - ?

Chelmno - ?

Sobibor - ?

Treblinka II - ?

Edited to add the following that I just found on that "other forum"

Roberto:

The challenge pertains specifically to the 1,419,467 Jews that I can prove actually set foot in Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka II, and that I can prove were killed and buried in the camps to which they were deported.

[CWhite]

Roberto:

The challenge pertains specifically to the 1,419,467 Jews that I can prove actually set foot in Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka II, and that I can prove were killed and buried in the camps to which they were deported.

Well then Roberto, please tell us:

#43 - The MAXIMUM number of the 33 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Belzec identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed scientifically verified human remains; is no less than __?__.

And Roberto's single numeric answer is: ?

#44 - The MAXIMUM number of the 33 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Belzec identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 19 people; is no less than __?__.

And Roberto's single numeric answer is: ?

#45 - The MAXIMUM number of the 15 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Chelmno identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed scientifically verified human remains; is no less than __?__.

And Roberto's single numeric answer is: ?

#46 - The MAXIMUM number of the 15 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Chelmno identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 19 people; is no less than __?__.

And Roberto's single numeric answer is: ?

#47 - The MAXIMUM number of the 16 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Sobibor identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed scientifically verified human remains; is no less than __?__.

And Roberto's single numeric answer is: ?

#48 - The MAXIMUM number of the 16 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Sobibor identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 19 people; is no less than __?__.

And Roberto's single numeric answer is: ?

#49 - The MAXIMUM number of the 11 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Treblinka II identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed scientifically verified human remains; is no less than __?__.

And Roberto's single numeric answer is: ?

#50 - The MAXIMUM number of the 11 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Treblinka II identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 19 people; is no less than __?__.

And Roberto's single numeric answer is: ?

[borjastick]

I'm a bit confused as to the motivations of roberto. We all know that zionist supporting, holocaust breathing jews cannot see the wood for the trees. In a way we should expect little or nothing else from these people. However according to roberto he is NOT a zionist or supporter of jewish interests.

So given that he is well educated, articulate and quite likely a well balanced individual in all other aspects of his life, what makes him so odd in his holocaust promotional behaviour. Maybe it's his like of a good argument, or a reaction to something shocking in his childhood or perhaps he's just odd. But I find it very odd when seemingly normal, intelligent people who should be able to see the truth when it's staring them in the face, cannot do so.

This isn't a personal rant against the guy but a genuine request for comments as to why this phenomenon happens.

[CWhite]

Looks good, don't you think Roberto?

My challenge to Revisionists is thus the following:

Please provide the name of at least one jew that you can prove to have been transited via Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibór or Treblinka to what Korherr called the "Russian East", i.e. to a destination in the Reichskommissariat Ostland, the [I]Reichskommissariat Ukraine or the Soviet territories under German military administration[/b]. By "transited" I mean that the person in question must have been taken to the respective camp (Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibór or Treblinka), then shipped from that camp to a certain destination in the Nazi-occupied territories of the Soviet Union as defined above, e.g. to Minsk, Riga, Kovno or Kiev.

One name, with proof.

Just one name.

Please note that this challenge pertains specifically to the - 1,419,467 - jews that I can prove actually set foot in Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka II, and that I can prove were killed and buried in the camps to which they were deported. (Though I have yet to muster the courage, integrity and character to accept the challenge to put up or shut up and prove my unsubstantiated allegations - like any honest / legitimate researcher would.)

Also note that my fellow exterminationist "Nessie" alleges that at least 75 "huge mass graves" have been located / proven to exist - with the utmost certainty via the scientific method - within the boundaries of these four camps, and that he can also prove - with the utmost certainty and using the scientific method - that these four camps contain the remains of at least - 1,796,000 - jews. (Though he has yet to muster the courage, integrity and character to accept the challenge to put up or shut up and prove his unsubstantiated allegations - like any honest / legitimate researcher would.)

Last note: This challenge was born out of an amenable conversation between my old friend Greg Gerdes and me on the threads - $1,000.00 REWARD FOR THE NAME OF JUST ONE GASSED jEW - in which I did not earn so-much-as one sinlge penny in reward money - not one single penny!

When are we going to see the change on your website?

[Reviso]

Please provide the name of at least one Jew that you can prove to have been transited via Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibór or Treblinka to what Korherr called the "Russian East", i.e. to a destination in the Reichskommissariat Ostland, the [I]Reichskommissariat Ukraine or the Soviet territories under German military administration[/b]. By "transited" I mean that the person in question must have been taken to the respective camp (Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibór or Treblinka), then shipped from that camp to a certain destination in the Nazi-occupied territories of the Soviet Union as defined above, e.g. to Minsk, Riga, Kovno or Kiev.

One name, with proof.
...

Samuel Zoldan
Mikhail Zhustkovski
Maria Zhuravel
Iosif Zherman
Raisa Babendur
Froim Backer
Moysey Barán
Rita Baranov
Shlyoma Begun
Mikson Beniya

May I ask where these names come from ? Were these people evacuated to the East ? Thanks.
R.

[Hektor]

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Samuel Zoldan
Mikhail Zhustkovski
Maria Zhuravel
Iosif Zherman
Raisa Babendur
Froim Backer
Moysey Barán
Rita Baranov
Shlyoma Begun
Mikson Beniya

May I ask where these names come from ? Were these people evacuated to the East ? Thanks.
R.

They come from a variety of sources mostly "personal" testimony from partisans, but also ordinary people. Yes, from the testimony/documents it appeared they were Jews evacuated from West to East (Minsk).

[Reviso]

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Samuel Zoldan
Mikhail Zhustkovski
Maria Zhuravel
Iosif Zherman
Raisa Babendur
Froim Backer
Moysey Barán
Rita Baranov
Shlyoma Begun
Mikson Beniya

May I ask where these names come from ? Were these people evacuated to the East ? Thanks.
R.

They come from a variety of sources mostly "personal" testimony from partisans, but also ordinary people. Yes, from the testimony/documents it appeared they were Jews evacuated from West to East (Minsk).

Thanks. Did they stay in some of the camps Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibór or Treblinka ?
I wonder if it is really necessary to prove that Jews were evacuated to the East via Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibór or Treblinka. If I'm not wrong, Eric Hunt has shown that Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibór or Treblinka were used as transit camps, even if not to the East. On the other hand, it seems certain that Jews were evacuated to the East, even if not via Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibór or Treblinka. Thus, where is the problem ?

In any case, I would like to know what Roberto has to say about your list.
R.

[CWhite]

Roberto:

The challenge pertains specifically to the - 1,419,467 - jews that I can prove actually set foot in Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka II, and that I can prove were killed and buried in the camps to which they were deported.

Well then Roberto, if that statement is true, then:

Is it known - with the utmost certainty - that; legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of numerous discernable / measurable extant mass graves within the boundaries of each of the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then;

Would it be possible to prove - with the utmost certainty - just - 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of your allegation that - 1,419,467 - jews actually set foot in the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps; by proving the contents of those numerous discernable / measurable extant mass graves that legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of - Yes. - or - No. - ??

[Metal Murphy]

I'm a bit confused as to the motivations of roberto. We all know that zionist supporting, holocaust breathing jews cannot see the wood for the trees. In a way we should expect little or nothing else from these people. However according to roberto he is NOT a zionist or supporter of jewish interests.

So given that he is well educated, articulate and quite likely a well balanced individual in all other aspects of his life, what makes him so odd in his holocaust promotional behaviour. Maybe it's his like of a good argument, or a reaction to something shocking in his childhood or perhaps he's just odd. But I find it very odd when seemingly normal, intelligent people who should be able to see the truth when it's staring them in the face, cannot do so.

This isn't a personal rant against the guy but a genuine request for comments as to why this phenomenon happens.

I think a lot of it has to do with the inability to let go. I don't think you have to love Jews per se, I just think it's hard to take that first step and say, "none of this makes any sense."

Take the Reinhard Camps. If all those Jews died there, where are all the bodies? Yeah, I know, they burned them all. That's ridiculous, do they honestly believe we are so naive to think some giant BBQ roasted all of those Jews?????

[Dresden]

Metal Murphy asked:

"do they honestly believe we are so naive to think some giant BBQ roasted all of those Jews?????"

They don't only believe it.....they know it.