Morgue to Homicidal Gas Chamber

[bane7]

Would it make sense to explain the reasoning behind the technological backwardness of the Kula Columns compared to the Fumigation chambers is because it was a “last minute” ordeal of converting the morgue into a homicidal gas chamber? At least that’s what the individual I’m debating claims.

[Lamprecht]

Pressac's book says that the designs for Krema II (and III, mirror image) at Birkenau were based on a plan from 1941 for a new crematorium in Auschwitz main camp. Krema II [according to Pressac] is supposed to have functioned as a homicidal gas chamber and a crematorium starting on 15 March 1943, before its entry into official service on 31 March [1943]. Krema III is alleged to have begun gassing operations on 25 June 1943.
We are told that gassings at Auschwitz in general began in Sept 1941. The Wannsee Conference took place on 20 January 1942. Jews were allegedly already being gassed at Belzec by 17 March 1942.
Last minute?

If we are to believe the claims of the exterminationists, they had plenty of time to make the design far more efficient, as we are expected to believe that a plan to exterminate all of the Jews had already been made by the time work began on these buildings. There were indeed minor changes to the design plans of Kremas 2 & 3 made in the second half of 1942, but it is unreasonable to claim that this indicates that this was to make them into more efficient buildings for use in homicidal gassings. Consider:

- The ventilation system / capacity was not improved. The ventilation system is clearly designed for a morgue, rather than a homicidal gas chamber. See my posts here: viewtopic.php?t=5493

- Doors appropriate for a homicidal gas chamber (gas-tight, escape proof, etc) were not added. The gas-tight door Pressac brings up was not the appropriate size for the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Krema II and 3. The same type of door was ordered for the inmate sauna. See: viewtopic.php?p=93979#p93979 and (PDF: https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/02-tcoa.pdf - 5.4.1.2.3. "Gas-tight Doors" for Crematorium II)

- There was no method to introduce the HCN gas. The Kula columns are absurd and there's no evidence that anything of the sort was ever built beyond Kula's ridiculous statements. There would have been plenty of time to figure out something different to use. The alleged induction holes are said to have been smashed into the roof. The roof still exists today, there is nothing on the floor or ceiling that these columns would have attached to. See: viewtopic.php?t=14665 and viewtopic.php?t=13932 - or search for "Kula columns"

- The crematoria design was wholly inadequate for the alleged purpose (Krema II for example where it's claimed there were 500,000 victims of the homicidal gas chamber). See: viewtopic.php?t=12778

- The elevator / corpse chute was 4x9ft and manually operated, often broke down. The original design even had an electric elevator but that was never put to use. See: viewtopic.php?t=12891

I suggest reviewing Rudolf's book:
Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers
https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/42-ataootgc.pdf

And Graf's:
Auschwitz: Eyewitness Reports and Perpetrator Confessions of the Holocaust—30 Gas-Chamber Witnesses Scrutinized (2.12. Henryk Tauber and Michal Kula - p.166)
https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/36-aerapcoth.pdf

Kula is unreliable and he changed his story around multiple times. His "Kula columns" can not be shown to have ever existed. The vast majority of Sonderkommando that claim to have been involved in homicidal gassings at Auschwitz make no mention of these structures (Nadjari, Venezia, Feinsilber, Dragon, etc).
The changes made to the building designs in 1942 were in response to the disease epidemic and planned growth of the camp prisoner population. They are not consistent with any sort of "homicidal gas chamber" narrative.

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Total Typhus Deaths in Auschwitz, 1941-1942

1941
Oct      2128
Nov     5084
Dec      2585
__________
TOTAL            9797

1942
Jan       1776
Feb      1515
Mar      3018
Apr      1392
May     2911
June     3688
July      4124
Aug      4968
Sept     1497
Oct      6092
Nov     103
Dec      1023
__________
TOTAL            32107

From: viewtopic.php?p=94680

[hermod]

Why would the Germans have needed such a technically-absurd last minute bricolage if Rudolf Hoess was ordered in 1941 to carry out the mass slaughter of millions of Jews as he claimed at Nuremberg after WWII? And why the unworkable upside down ventilation system???

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The Soviets had understood that those technically-absurd German gas chambers made no sense at all, especially on the part of the country universally known for its high tech things. So they claimed at Nuremberg that those nonexistent facilities had been designed by top scientists and engineers. That was a big lie. But at least, it made sense.

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[Hektor]

Would it make sense to explain the reasoning behind the technological backwardness of the Kula Columns compared to the Fumigation chambers is because it was a “last minute” ordeal of converting the morgue into a homicidal gas chamber? At least that’s what the individual I’m debating claims.

If that is assumed this would be contrary to the genocide allegation being made. And that is a government plan to exterminate all the Jews using homicidal gas chambers industrially for killing and disposing of Jews. This fails plausibility tests right at the start. If you want to do what is alleged, you will have to plan the thing like building a factory. And that means virtually everything needs to be in place on the plans... Any later changes can only be miniscule as not to sabotage efficient operation of your facility. The Auschwitz facilities violate virtually all principles they should have complied with, if the alleged mass extermination of Jews was their real purpose.

What is in place, on plans and archaeologically provable all indicates that the crematoria were erected to manage increased mortality due to epidemics. Bear in mind that they were to serve a major industrial area. Not only Birkenau, but also all the residential, industrial, civilian, detention, military areas within a larger radius.

It's perfectly in line with the Revisionist position on the matter. There is zero evidence that supports the exterminationist position. Which is why they resort to the fraction of the testimony that seemingly supports them, ignore all testimony deviating from it. Avoid serious debate on the technical and forensic evidence for what they do allege. If you read exterminationist literature carefully... It isn't about proving their thesis, it is grasping for arguments why they can't prove their thesis... That's exactly what the responses to the Leuchter and Rudolf Reports did do.
Not: "Here is the evidence" - "This we have to conclude that in excess of one million people were gassed and cremated here"
It's more like a counteroffensive against Revisionist arguments. Which is what you have to do, if you can't prove your point remotely sufficient.

I'm not saying the activists of Nizkor and related project were all stupid. Some where intelligent, educated and eloquent. But they all became aggressive when challenged to present hard evidence for the allegation. It always reverted back to 'testimony' and dubious court verdicts. All in the hope that people wouldn't analyze the testimony and court documents of course. For Auschwitz the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial must be the most important judicial proceeding. It is taken more serious that Israeli, Communist or even Western Allied proceedings, because this happened under a 'democratic, government in Western Germany''... Now the verdict seemingly confirms the narrative. Lots of the testimony however didn't. The judges freely admitted that they couldn't do thorough discovery of evidence that would proof the case. No investigation of the murder weapons, victims corpses, no physically proof that anyone was gassed whatsoever. All they could do is select testimony and then claim that this testimony is somehow true. That testimony came for the most part from dubious characters that clearly had an axe to grind and to benefit from the narrative in some way. Additionally one had some 'cooperative witnesses' on the side of the accused. Now why would the 'confess' or rather shift blame onto their former comrades? Well, ask any policemen/investigative officer about 'confessions' and 'testimony' they collect. Most of it is garbage, some of it are attempts to get more favorable verdicts. The accused were already being criminalized for being members of an organization that was declared criminal. They were treated highly prejudicial within the media. Still some insisted that they didn't know about any extermination activity during their time in Auschwitz. So the claim that "The Holocaust has been proven by testimony" is untrue, since most of the potential witnesses didn't witness anything like that. That's of course something the Holocaust Apostles try to get around by not talking about it.

[hermod]

Would it make sense to explain the reasoning behind the technological backwardness of the Kula Columns compared to the Fumigation chambers is because it was a “last minute” ordeal of converting the morgue into a homicidal gas chamber? At least that’s what the individual I’m debating claims.

Unsurprising design when one knows that the orthodox/exterminationist/antirevisionist narrative claims that those unprecedented weapons were invented by two uneducated gaolers without a high school diploma named Karl Fritzsch and Rudolf Hoess. Nonsensical and ludicrous but true...

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