Kristallnacht..greatest false flag ever?

[Barrington James]

I have just read Ingrid Weckert 's book Flash Point and it has helped me to figure out one of the great mysteries of the WW2 and The Holocaust. I have long wondered why the Nazis would have done such a stupid thing. As it turns out, they didn’t. Kristallnacht was one of the greatest false flags of all time, done by one the greatest false flaggers of all time. It changed the world forever and the perpetrators got away with it.



What makes Kristallnacht one of the greatest false flags/ lies of all time, as good or better than the false flags of 9-11, the SS Liberty, The Lavon Affair, the Zionist destruction of the synagogues of Iraq, the Tonkin Gulf Incident, the destruction of the Israel Embassy and AIMIA buildings in Argentina, better than the lies of “ Palestine , a place with no people for a people with no place”, the extreme lies of the holocaust, Pearl Harbor, the atomic bombing of Japan, the sinking of the Maine and the Lusitania, or the attack on the Mavi Marmara, better than the sneak attacks and bombing of Egypt, Syria, Gaza, and Lebanon, the Assassinations of Lincoln, Kennedy, McKinley, Garfield, Stalin, better than the lies associated with so-called genocide in Rwanda or the wars in Yugoslavia, Gaza, Iraq or in Afghanistan or the dozens of other such activities for the last 150 years or more, are three fold.



One, it completely turned around the possibility of Germany avoiding the coming war that Great Britain and the Zionists so desperately wanted.

Two, it stopped the any hope of Germany acquiring the Rublee- Wohlthat Agreement which would have allowed all the Jews of Germany to peacefully emigrate from Germany to any the country in the world of their choice, complete with all their money and wealth. This was an agreement, of course, that the Zionists were most anxious to kill because the Jews of Germany were absolutely crucial to the creation of Israel. Without German- Jewish money and expertise Israel would not have made it. They did not want anything to interfere with the Zionist/Nazi Transfer agreement they had in place which forced the Jews to go to Palestine and no where else.

Three. They got away with it. The Nazis went to their graves still pointing fingers at one another. They never did figure out who really did Kristallnacht. Although it should have been obvious for so many reasons, not the least was Cui Bono, who benefited from this terrible event. If they had the benefit of the knowledge that we now know, if they had known who has been behind so many other false flags and lies for the last 150 years or more, then I am sure that they would have figured it out. But they never did. And that is why Kristallnacht is still one of the greatest false flags to this day.

BJ

[Ilikerealhistory]

I do not know whether Kristalnacht was the greatest FF ever. WWII did change a lot of things in the world, and if KN was the turning point, it may be the greatest.

Someone already showed proof that it was done by the jews, although I don't remember the name. Kristalnacht started after a jew (Herschel Grynszpan)in France shot a German diplomat (Ernst vom Rath).

Q) Why were only windows broken and no jews dragged into the streets and beaten?

A) Because the jews couldn't find any Germans to dress up as jews.

[David Baker]

I agree, much of what is attributed to "Anti-Semitic" zealots in pre-war Germany could be blamed on the Jews themselves. The operative term here is Zionism. These Jewish Nationalists were creating a hostile environment for Jews in Europe. This effort included the declaration of war against the Third Reich. Jewish wealth and influence, which are only natural for their Talmudic ilk to rub goy noses in (As they are doing even today..) would also foment enmity against their tribe, particularly during an economic crisis. Zionism was the driving force behind the 'expulsion' of Jews from occupied Europe. All that was needed was the Jewish version of the "Boogey Man" to instill in the reluctant Jews the need to leave for Israel.

[vladkampfer]

I agree, much of what is attributed to "Anti-Semitic" zealots in pre-war Germany could be blamed on the Jews themselves. The operative term here is Zionism. These Jewish Nationalists were creating a hostile environment for Jews in Europe. This effort included the declaration of war against the Third Reich. Jewish wealth and influence, which are only natural for their Talmudic ilk to rub goy noses in (As they are doing even today..) would also foment enmity against their tribe, particularly during an economic crisis. Zionism was the driving force behind the 'expulsion' of Jews from occupied Europe. All that was needed was the Jewish version of the "Boogey Man" to instill in the reluctant Jews the need to leave for Israel.

Now, if Hitler just wanted to slaughter and kill the Jews, he'd just do it the Communist way. (This kind of goes against the grain of your mindset that Hitler was the evil man of WWII, David Baker.) KN was a substantial event at the time; it has since become the crutch of lies. If you think about it, it could be the greatest false-flag ever since when the war was over, Jews perpetuated the idea that it was a false-flag committed by the National Socialists as a guise to root the Jews out of Germany; thus "proving" that Germans wanted to exterminate the Jews.

Pretty twisted.

[David Baker]

vladkampfer,

Absolutely! Edgar Steele noted that aspect of his opinion on the Holocaust, that Germany wouldn't go to the trouble of transporting thousands of Jews to Polish and other camps just to gas them, cremate them, then find a way to dispose of the remains. The shortage of fuel would preclude such actions at the start. Detailing valuable manpower to staff the camps for that purpose would also be counterproductive. It is outlandish to claim the Germans murdered Jews in this fashion. As you say, the Russian method would prove infinitely more practical; that being locating Jews, and just execute them by whatever means where they stood.

[HelenChicago]

I have just read Ingrid Weckert 's book Flash Point and it has helped me to figure out one of the great mysteries of the WW2 and The Holocaust. I have long wondered why the Nazis would have done such a stupid thing. As it turns out, they didn’t. Kristallnacht was one of the greatest false flags of all time, done by one the greatest false flaggers of all time. It changed the world forever and the perpetrators got away with it.

BJ --- I'm indebted to you. After reading your post, I went out and bought a secondhand copy of "Flash Point." Wow! What an eye-opener. Weckert's explanation is so clear and, like so much of the revisionist view of WWII, it just makes so much more sense than the established, highly propagandized version of events. It's no wonder she was cast into outer darkness. Last I heard, she had grown quite old and was living in near-poverty. Does anyone have more recent info on her?

[phdnm]

Berlin shopfronts to be 'shattered' 75 yrs after Kristallnacht

Storefronts in the German capital will next month once again be marred by the jagged pattern of broken glass to mark the 75th anniversary of the Kristallnacht pogrom.

Adhesive film will be used to cover shop windows to create the illusion of large holes and hairline fractures to commemorate the violence unleashed during the infamous event.

Around 100 Berlin businesses are expected to put the large stickers in their windows to commemorate the attacks which took place on November 9 and 10, 1938, and "take a stand against intolerance, racism and anti-Semitism," according to the organisers.

The pogrom, also known as 'The Night of Broken Glass', saw Nazi thugs plunder Jewish businesses throughout Germany, torch some 300 synagogues and round up about 30,000 Jewish men for deportation to concentration camps.

Some 90 Jews were killed in the orgy of violence.

Berlin had a "particular significance" in the pogroms, write historians Christoph Kreutzmueller and Bjoern Weigel in a new publication to accompany the remembrance event.

Violence in the capital city was fuelled by Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda minister and the local Nazi party leader.

"There was so much to destroy, so the violence in Berlin was particularly long-lasting," write Kreutzmueller and Weigel in "Kristallnacht? Bilder der Novemberpogrome 1938 in Berlin" ("Kristallnacht? Pictures of the November Pogroms in 1938 in Berlin").

The store window stickers will be concentrated in areas in downtown Berlin targeted by the Nazi looters, including a major shopping street that was a centre of the arts and theatre during the Weimar Republic.

A major luxury department store, KaDeWe, will participate, organisers said.

The installation is part of a year-long series of events in Berlin recognising the 80th anniversary of the Nazi party's accession to power and the 75th anniversary of the November pogroms.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... stallnacht

[Mortimer]

Ingrid Weckert gave this lecture on the Kristallnacht in 1985 - http://codoh.com/library/document/2130 I don't know if she is still active as a revisionist as her book on this subject was banned in "democratic" Germany.

[astro3]

I guess this means you don't accept David Irving's account, based on his getting access to the Goebbel's diaries:
http://pauleisen.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11 ... david.html

Goebbels came to the podium to announce the death of the German diplomat. He also reported to the assembled Gauleiters on the anti-Jewish incidents that had already broken out, describing them as manifestations of a “spontaneous” public outrage. Goebbels said, in effect: “A Jew has fired a shot. A German has died. Obviously our people will be outraged about this. This is not the time to rein in that outrage.” We have two or three independent sources for what he said that evening, including the report by the British consul in Munich, who very quickly learned of the speech and reported it to London. This report is now in the British archives.

Describing the evening’s events, Goebbels writes in his diary that, after his brief speech: “Everyone makes a beeline for the telephones.” He adds: “Now the public will take action.” An interesting turn of phrase, he creates an image of men in brown uniforms and swastika arm bands reaching out to telephones to relay orders all over Germany.

The orders were that the Aktion (operation) was to be carried out by SA men in plain clothes, and the police were not to intervene. There was to be no bloodshed and no harm done to anyone unless, of course, Jews offered armed resistance, in which case they should expect short shrift. “There is to be no looting,” stormtroopers in Kiel were told. “Nobody is to be roughed up. Foreign Jews are not to be touched. Meet any resistance with firearms. The Aktion is to be carried out in plain clothes and must be finished by five a.m.”

The result was the Night of Broken Glass, one of Germany’s darkest nights. Hundreds if not thousands of Jewish shops were destroyed. About 150 synagogues were burned to the ground, including six or seven in Berlin. The following morning the news was that 38 Jews had been murdered. On Hitler’s orders, 20,000 Jews were rounded up and temporarily held in concentration camps.

After the overnight reports had come in, Goebbels sums up the object of the exercise in a heartless, unrepentant diary entry: “As was to be expected, the entire nation is in uproar. This is one dead man who is costing the Jews dear. Our darling Jews will think twice in future before simply gunning down German diplomats.”

In the archives I found a document dated the next day, November 10, which shows quite clearly that some kind of order had actually been issued. That morning Goebbels sent the following message to all 42 Nazi party propaganda officials (Gaupropagandaleiter) at the provincial level: “The anti-Jewish Aktionen [operations] must now be called off with the same rapidity with which they were launched. They have served their desired and anticipated purpose.” These are the key lines in this document, I think, because they do imply that an order had been issued the day before. We don’t have that earlier document, but references to it were made during the postwar interrogation of one or two of the Gauleiters, and there’s also a hint in his diary that he had given certain orders the previous day.

[hermod]

I guess this means you don't accept David Irving's account, based on his getting access to the Goebbel's diaries:
http://pauleisen.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11 ... david.html

Interesting thread on the Goebbels' diaries: The Goebbels diary: a forgery?

[Barrington James]

Astro3......To understand what really happened on Kristallnacht you must read Ingrid Weckert’s first book, Flash Point, Kristallnacht, 1935, and her second book, Jewish Emigration from the Third Reich. Aside from the facts , logic and truth of her books, she gives us an excellent understanding of the mind set and the character of the people who were involved on both sides of Kristallnacht.

She wrote about the little known 1933 Nazis/Zionist Transfer Agreement ( see Edwin Black , The Transfer Agreement) that had allowed hundreds of thousands of Jews to emigrate with all their wealth to first of all to Israel and only Israel, and then later, in 1938, the little known Rubble Wolthat Agreement that had allowed the Jews to emigrate to any country that would take them- to the few countries that the Zionists hadn’t closed for Jews.

She told us about the actual damage done that night and how little was actually done; she told us, for example, that in 1933 there were 1,571 synagogues or prayer rooms in Germany, and in 1938, after Kristallnacht, despite the fact that almost half the German Jews had left Germany by then , there were still 1,420 synagogues or prayer rooms in Germany; she told us about the poor Polish Jews flocking to Germany all through the 1930’s, who obviously still looked upon Germany as a much better place to live in than Poland despite the Nazis, and she wrote how Germany was forced to try and stop this flow to free Germany of Jews; ( a horrible idea that we can discuss sometiime) ; she wrote of the days after Kristallnacht and how ordinary Nazis were so bewildered by how it could have happened, and how upset Goebbels and Hitler were that it had. She told us how Kristallnacht had undermined all the work the top Nazis had done to build up good will throughout the world. Recall that Hitler has been declared the “Man of the Year “ by even Time magazine. She wrote of the reaction of the German people to strangers who came into their towns, how little they knew of SA or SS protocol, how these goons tried to create the riots that night and how they had mostly failed to do so; she also wrote of the very suspicious situation of Hershel Grynszpan, the young Pole who supposedly started this mess and how he came to immediately have the best Jewish lawyer in France come to his defence so quickly the day after he had killed a German diplomat. She also mentioned that Dave Irving had dismissed her book and her for her thinking that she could possibly know something that he didn’t. And we all know now that Mr. Irving, as brilliant as he is, has made some serious mistakes in his life about a lot of things.

No one denies that Kristallnacht took place any more than anyone would deny the holocaust …although very few people know the entire truth about either. The problem is not about the existence of Kristallnacht’s but , instead, who created it and why. And the best way to begin to solve this mystery to realize that Germany was then , as it is now , a country that totally depended on trade to survive. And that means it totally depended on the good will of the world to buy its products. That a “Kristallnacht” was the one of the last things Hitler ever wanted - aside from a World War , of course. She also told us that in the early morning of November 10 when Hitler finally realized that Kristallnacht was not just an isolated event in Munich with the burning of a single synagogue ( where the Nazis were having there yearly grand meeting ) but that it had happened all throughout Germany, he immediately ordered “ this madness to be suppressed” and every Nazi a the Munich meeting rushed to the phones to issue orders to stop KN.

However there was one group of people, now known for creating dozens of false flags all over the world for the last 70 years, who desperately wanted to drive the Jews out of Germany even more than the Nazis did in order to create their Israel. That’s where you should begin to solve this mystery. Moreover the very timing of Kristallnacht strongly indicates a false flag , for at that time the British were about to introduce measures to stop the immigration of Jews to Israel and thus to stop the British (and Zionist ) plans to partition Palestine. This would , of course , might have stopped the Jews from getting half of Palestine a few years later as part of the grossly unfair UN decision in 1948. Clearly the Jews needed something to gain sympathy for their cause in November 1938 and Kristallnacht did exactly that. It was , as the Jew Jabotinsky had earlier hoped for, a “propitious storm” . What we would today all a “ Pear Harbor or 9-11”

Read Ingrid Weckert’s books before you leap to any conclusions.

[neugierig]

I realize that I’m a little late with comments on Kristallnacht, but loosing a step is part of getting old, darn.

Anyway, something re. this incident has bothered me for a while now and maybe someone here can help me, my question: Was there ever an official investigation?

Himmler dismissed this “Goebbels-action” as bone headed, Heydrich spoke of a ‘real mess’ (Riesenschweinerei [Deschner, Reinhard Heydrich, p.178]). Deschner refers to the book by Heinz Höhne, ‘Der Orden unter dem Totenkopf’ for the Himmler quote, as for Heydrich he cites in interview with Dr. Dr. Erich Schultze of Sept. 15/16, 1972, and I have no clue who this Schultze is.

And please, lets forget about the Goebbels thing, but, Heydrich was the chief of the police and the security service, with Himmler his boss. Did they launch an investigation?

Thank you
Wilf

[Werd]

KRISTALLNACHT: The "Official" Story Deconstructed & Debunked ~ *Truth* Series
Veronica Clark - Deconstructing Myths About Kristallnacht

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKPLEmAr ... IcY42tbVrO

While the interviews with Veronica Clark are great sources of information, does anyone know if she has written an article or even a book about it? I can find nothing.

[hermod]

I guess this means you don't accept David Irving's account, based on his getting access to the Goebbel's diaries:
http://pauleisen.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11 ... david.html

In the archives I found a document dated the next day, November 10, which shows quite clearly that some kind of order had actually been issued. That morning Goebbels sent the following message to all 42 Nazi party propaganda officials (Gaupropagandaleiter) at the provincial level: “The anti-Jewish Aktionen [operations] must now be called off with the same rapidity with which they were launched. They have served their desired and anticipated purpose.” These are the key lines in this document, I think, because they do imply that an order had been issued the day before. We don’t have that earlier document, but references to it were made during the postwar interrogation of one or two of the Gauleiters, and there’s also a hint in his diary that he had given certain orders the previous day.

I fail to see how Goebbels' diaries contradict Ingrid Weckert's conclusions. Goebbels was a rabbid antisemite who always wanted to see Jews molested or even killed. That's no secret. There is nothing surprising in Goebbels being glad to see Germany's Jews attacked after the death of vom Rath and saying it openly. But Goebbels was the Gauleiter of Berlin and the Minister of Propaganda. He had no orders to give to the other Gauleiters or SA men. That was not in his power. And Goebbels's words about anti-Jewish operations having to be stopped don't imply that an order had been given previously to launch these operations. His words only imply that anti-Jewish riots had begun very fast and Hitler wanted to see such things stop as fast as they had begun. When Goebbels said that these riots had "served their desired and anticipated purpose", that doesn't imply that there was a Nazi desired and anticipated purpose, as Irving conclude. It is very probable that these anti-Jewish riots had had the effects that he (Goebbels) had desired and anticipated. Pefectly consistent with Goebbels' personality and hostile feelings toward Jews. Goebbels probably even wanted to see these riots continue for a few days or weeks, but Hitler ordered him, as Minister of Propaganda, to call the German population to stop these riots.

The New York Times, November 11, 1938



The New York Times, November 10, 1938

http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/5513 ... ull-images

[Barrington James]

I think the Nazis were so stunned by Kristallnacht, so unsure about what had happened, so clueless actually, that they did not know who to blame. After all, all the Nazis were very inexperienced politicians and new to the dirty, sneaky tricks of politics such as false flags. They were more direct in their actions. Their enemas were sent to Dachau or shot rather than stabbed in the back or false flagged. False flags are the Zionist /America way...well, one of their ways, not that of the Nazis. Goring blamed Goebbels , perhaps using the Krsitallnacht opportunity to silence the little jerk. Goebbels apologized to Hitler for whatever action he might have taken that somehow might have added to the confusion. However it seems to me that the Nazis as a group just tried to forget all about Kristallnacht. Hitler was shocked that anyone could have been so stupid to have created such a thing, knowing as he did that the fate of his government , which was trying to battle 30% unemployment, poverty and despair depended so much on good world opinion for its trade and services, was now threatened with the Kristallnacht disaster. Furthermore, and this may shock some, but the German people had allowed Hitler to rule, under great suspicion and because of their great desperation. He was not expected to last long. Hitler knew this. He was on trial and he had short time to prove himself. He wanted to be known as a decent man. True, he wanted to rid Germany of its Jews for all kinds of reasons, most of them unfair, for the average Jew of Germany at the time was a very loyal citizen of Germany. It was their promised land, like America. So much so that tens of thousands of Polish Jews were flocking into Germany all during the the 1930's despite Hitler. In 1938 Hitler had much more serious problems to attend to than Jews and a Kristallnacht or any such political blunder was not gong to help him in anyway.