After the fire in the Reichstag on February 27 1933 forces hostile to the national socialist party claimed that it was they themselves who started the fire to set up their communist opposition. But several sources including British historian A J P Taylor and Fritz Tobias who wrote the book The Reichstag Fire - Legend and Reality have come to the conclusion that they did not. But to people who pay no notice to historical research and prefer propaganda the Reichstag fire is right up their with Gleiwitz - viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7282 - when it comes to false flags.
http://codoh.com/library/document/1986/
http://www.heretical.com/miscella/reichstg.html
The Reichstag Fire - Was It A False Flag ?
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The Reichstag Fire - Was It A False Flag ?
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Re: The Reichstag Fire - Was It A False Flag ?
At the trial over the Reichstag Fire (held at Leipzig in late 1933), there were five defendants and four were acquitted. This little fact itself doesn't really fit the 'false flag' narratives. (Presumably the NS regime, if it were "in to" covertly bombing its own government buildings, could also plant evidence to ensure guilty verdicts for the five communist agents on trial.)
We rarely hear about these other defendants except the Dutch young man. Why? It doesn't fit the story we tell ourselves that the "Nazis" would actually acquit people of crimes, even foreign Comintern agents (which three of the five were -- each has a substantial German Wikipedia entry but very little in English).
There was a full trial with evidence; when evidence was found lacking, as they law demands, the four others were acquitted. They even aquitted the Comintern agents sent by Moscow to stir up trouble in Germany -- one of the three was the Head of Comintern Operations for Western Europe itself, but his high rank was apparently not known by the Germans until after he was released back to the Soviet Union...
If the Reichstag Fire 'false flag' scenario were true, then why wouldn't they have just "cooked up" some evidence and hanged the bunch of them, these five being five definite ideological enemies, right. That this did not occur in itself casts doubt on the false-flag narrative, especially as the trial occurred well into the beginning of the Hitler 'Dictatorship' period (late 1933).
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Reichstag Fire Timeline
1932: Economic Depression bites hard in Germany, with unemployment near 30% and three years straight of sharp economic contraction.
July 31, 1932: German federal election; NSDAP gets its then-best-ever electoral result, winning 230 seats [37.8% of all seats] on 84% turnout.
November 6, 1932: Another German federal election; NSDAP wins 196 seats [33.6% of all seats] on turnout over 80%. A closely allied party, the DNVP, gets another 52 seats [8.9%]. The left-wing SPD (121 seats [20.7%]) and radical-communist KPD (100 seats [17.1%]) also perform well. Ten other parties also win at least one seat. The NSDAP and KPD, the two primary "anti-democratic parties," have a combined majority.
January 30, 1933: President Hindenburg appoints Hitler Reichskanzler of Germany (after a long delay), as happens customarily for the head of the largest party.
February 27, 1933: Reichstag Fire; 24-year-old Marinus Van der Lubbe arrested at the scene. Four others are arrested as accomplices including Comintern agents.
February 28, 1933: Chancellor Hitler asks President Hindenburg for emergency measures to prevent civil unrest by communists.
March 1933: Thousands of known and suspected communists, including sitting Reichstag delegates, are arrested under the emergency measures. These are the first of the millions of political prisoners of the NS Regime over the next twelve years.
March 5, 1933: Another German Federal election, the third in eight months. Amid widespread panic about a communist uprising and potential civil war conditions, Germans rally around Hitler, as the NSDAP wins 288 seats [44.5% of all seats] and the allied DNVP wins 52 seats [8.0%] on 89% turnout. The NSDAP-DNVP coalition itself has a majority. The KPD, despite a campaign of vilification, with literally being associated with anti-government insurgency, with the likelihood of political suppression real, still wins 81 seats [12.5%].
March 6, 1933: The KPD is banned defacto.
March 23, 1933: The NSDAP-DNVP majority, now in a more comfortable majority with the absence of KPD delegates and some SPD delegates, lead the way to voting to give Hitler substantial powers, inaugurating the beginning of the NS Regime in earnest. Final Vote: 444 in favor (240 for NSDAP-DNVP coalition; 104 for other parties); 94 against (all SPD); 109 not voting due to the ban on the KDP and around two dozen SPD members absent. A vote of 444 for Hitler represents 68.6% of the elected March 1933 Reichstag delegation.
July 1933: Charges of 'arson' (for the Reichstag Fire) and 'Attempting to Overthrow the Government' officially leveled against five communists: Marinus Van der Lubbe (Dutch drifter, proto-'Antifa' activist, active communist; age 24), Ernst Torgler (German, Head of KPD Reichstag delegation, age 40), Georgi Dimitrov (Bulgarian, age 51, Head of Comintern Operations in Western Europe), Blagoi Popov (Bulgarian communist activist, age 30; spent most of his 20s in Moscow), and Vasil Tanev (Bulgarian; age 54; Comintern official dispatched to Germany by the USSR).
September to December 1933: The five above-named defendants stand trial. The trial occurs at Leipzig before Germany's highest court.
December 1933: All defendants are acquitted for lack of evidence except Marinus van der Lubbe, who is found guilty.
January 10, 1934: Marinus van der Lubbe executed at Leipzig prison.
February 1934: Acquitted defendants Popov, Dimitrov, and Tanev leave Germany and return to the USSR. They are personally awarded Soviet citizenship by Stalin, and hailed as a communist heroes; 'the Heroes of Leipzig.'
Later Lives of the Acquitted: Both Popov and Tanev end up purged in the 1930s by Stalin, though Tanev is partially rehabilitated later. Tanev is killed in late 1941 while on a Comintern mission to Axis-aligned, but non-belligerent, Bulgaria. Popov 's purge lasts longer: He languishes in the gulag from 1937 to 1954. He dies in 1968. Of the three 'Heroes of Leipzig,' only Dimitrov remains a loyal, non-purged Stalinist; he becomes head of state in communist Bulgaria from 1945 and dies in 1949. The only German defendant and former top Communist, Torgler, eventually works for the NS Regime during the war (1940-1945) and apparently quite loyally. His son is killed in action in the east in 1944. Torgler himself dies in 1968.
We rarely hear about these other defendants except the Dutch young man. Why? It doesn't fit the story we tell ourselves that the "Nazis" would actually acquit people of crimes, even foreign Comintern agents (which three of the five were -- each has a substantial German Wikipedia entry but very little in English).
There was a full trial with evidence; when evidence was found lacking, as they law demands, the four others were acquitted. They even aquitted the Comintern agents sent by Moscow to stir up trouble in Germany -- one of the three was the Head of Comintern Operations for Western Europe itself, but his high rank was apparently not known by the Germans until after he was released back to the Soviet Union...
If the Reichstag Fire 'false flag' scenario were true, then why wouldn't they have just "cooked up" some evidence and hanged the bunch of them, these five being five definite ideological enemies, right. That this did not occur in itself casts doubt on the false-flag narrative, especially as the trial occurred well into the beginning of the Hitler 'Dictatorship' period (late 1933).
____________________________________________________
Reichstag Fire Timeline
1932: Economic Depression bites hard in Germany, with unemployment near 30% and three years straight of sharp economic contraction.
July 31, 1932: German federal election; NSDAP gets its then-best-ever electoral result, winning 230 seats [37.8% of all seats] on 84% turnout.
November 6, 1932: Another German federal election; NSDAP wins 196 seats [33.6% of all seats] on turnout over 80%. A closely allied party, the DNVP, gets another 52 seats [8.9%]. The left-wing SPD (121 seats [20.7%]) and radical-communist KPD (100 seats [17.1%]) also perform well. Ten other parties also win at least one seat. The NSDAP and KPD, the two primary "anti-democratic parties," have a combined majority.
January 30, 1933: President Hindenburg appoints Hitler Reichskanzler of Germany (after a long delay), as happens customarily for the head of the largest party.
February 27, 1933: Reichstag Fire; 24-year-old Marinus Van der Lubbe arrested at the scene. Four others are arrested as accomplices including Comintern agents.
February 28, 1933: Chancellor Hitler asks President Hindenburg for emergency measures to prevent civil unrest by communists.
March 1933: Thousands of known and suspected communists, including sitting Reichstag delegates, are arrested under the emergency measures. These are the first of the millions of political prisoners of the NS Regime over the next twelve years.
March 5, 1933: Another German Federal election, the third in eight months. Amid widespread panic about a communist uprising and potential civil war conditions, Germans rally around Hitler, as the NSDAP wins 288 seats [44.5% of all seats] and the allied DNVP wins 52 seats [8.0%] on 89% turnout. The NSDAP-DNVP coalition itself has a majority. The KPD, despite a campaign of vilification, with literally being associated with anti-government insurgency, with the likelihood of political suppression real, still wins 81 seats [12.5%].
March 6, 1933: The KPD is banned defacto.
March 23, 1933: The NSDAP-DNVP majority, now in a more comfortable majority with the absence of KPD delegates and some SPD delegates, lead the way to voting to give Hitler substantial powers, inaugurating the beginning of the NS Regime in earnest. Final Vote: 444 in favor (240 for NSDAP-DNVP coalition; 104 for other parties); 94 against (all SPD); 109 not voting due to the ban on the KDP and around two dozen SPD members absent. A vote of 444 for Hitler represents 68.6% of the elected March 1933 Reichstag delegation.
July 1933: Charges of 'arson' (for the Reichstag Fire) and 'Attempting to Overthrow the Government' officially leveled against five communists: Marinus Van der Lubbe (Dutch drifter, proto-'Antifa' activist, active communist; age 24), Ernst Torgler (German, Head of KPD Reichstag delegation, age 40), Georgi Dimitrov (Bulgarian, age 51, Head of Comintern Operations in Western Europe), Blagoi Popov (Bulgarian communist activist, age 30; spent most of his 20s in Moscow), and Vasil Tanev (Bulgarian; age 54; Comintern official dispatched to Germany by the USSR).
September to December 1933: The five above-named defendants stand trial. The trial occurs at Leipzig before Germany's highest court.
December 1933: All defendants are acquitted for lack of evidence except Marinus van der Lubbe, who is found guilty.
January 10, 1934: Marinus van der Lubbe executed at Leipzig prison.
February 1934: Acquitted defendants Popov, Dimitrov, and Tanev leave Germany and return to the USSR. They are personally awarded Soviet citizenship by Stalin, and hailed as a communist heroes; 'the Heroes of Leipzig.'
Later Lives of the Acquitted: Both Popov and Tanev end up purged in the 1930s by Stalin, though Tanev is partially rehabilitated later. Tanev is killed in late 1941 while on a Comintern mission to Axis-aligned, but non-belligerent, Bulgaria. Popov 's purge lasts longer: He languishes in the gulag from 1937 to 1954. He dies in 1968. Of the three 'Heroes of Leipzig,' only Dimitrov remains a loyal, non-purged Stalinist; he becomes head of state in communist Bulgaria from 1945 and dies in 1949. The only German defendant and former top Communist, Torgler, eventually works for the NS Regime during the war (1940-1945) and apparently quite loyally. His son is killed in action in the east in 1944. Torgler himself dies in 1968.
Re: The Reichstag Fire - Was It A False Flag ?
Mortimer wrote:After the fire in the Reichstag on February 27 1933 forces hostile to the national socialist party claimed that it was they themselves who started the fire to set up their communist opposition. But several sources including British historian A J P Taylor and Fritz Tobias who wrote the book The Reichstag Fire - Legend and Reality have come to the conclusion that they did not. But to people who pay no notice to historical research and prefer propaganda the Reichstag fire is right up there with Gleiwitz - viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7282 - when it comes to false flags.
http://codoh.com/library/document/1986/
http://www.heretical.com/miscella/reichstg.html
Gleiwitz wasn't a "false flag" neither, unless you believe the one and only witness the Allies presented for this, but whom they trusted neither.
The thesis that the Reichstag was set on fire by National Socialists is even dismissed by people that otherwise disparage Nation Socialism (and Germany) at any opportunity:
https://archive.org/details/SvenKellerh ... minalfalls
Re: The Reichstag Fire - Was It A False Flag ?
Mike King with an essay on the Reichstag fire. He details the long list of communist atrocities which prove that they would go to any lengths to achieve their objectives including assassination.
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id472.html
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id472.html
There are 2 sides to every story - always listen or read both points of view and make up your own mind. Don't let others do your thinking for you.
Re: The Reichstag Fire - Was It A False Flag ?
Mortimer wrote:Mike King with an essay on the Reichstag fire. He details the long list of communist atrocities which prove that they would go to any lengths to achieve their objectives including assassination.
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id472.html
The above link has expired. The article can now be found here.
http://web.archive.org/web/201908241325 ... id472.html
There are 2 sides to every story - always listen or read both points of view and make up your own mind. Don't let others do your thinking for you.
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