Iran Leader Reiterates Holocaust Doubts

[Radar]

If there was ever any doubt that "the Holocaust" dogmas are the heart of the Zionist occupation dreams the reaction to the statements of the President of Iran from the west certainly prove it.

As Norman Finkelstein said in his book "The Holocaust Industry",

"Articulating the key Hoplocaust dogmas, much of the literature on Hitler's Final Solution is worthless as scholarship. Indeed, the field of Holocaust studies is replete with nonsense, if not sheer fraud."

The Industry must suppress such views at all costs and is trying to do so. Feverishly as we see.

[chammer]

Iranian radio stations have phoned dozens of revisionists during the past 10 years and the interviewers questions show they have studiously studied the subject from internet sites and ordered books. The difference between them and western researchers is they are no afraid to publicly voice their conclusions.

Neverthless, I'm starting to wonder if the strategy is not prematured; I was glad to see him doubting publically, now he is saying that it's a myth instead of expressing doubts. Ok, we all know here that he hadn't in the mind to deny concentration camps and typhus epidemies, but how many people in Asia or elsewhere can guess what the word 'myth' involve?
China sides with Russia who side with Europe on this. No surprise. However I'm worried because there is very few revisionist material in non European languages and if Iran wish to help, well my guess is that getting 3 or 4 books translated in 15 languages would be a good move.

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

But keep in mind that the Tehran newspapers are the only papers where you'll see a Faurisson article. Also, Tehran is the residence of Swiss exile Jürgen Graf. He is one of the best revisionist writers writing today as can be seen by the book Treblinka. Co-written with Carlo Mattogno. That recent made-for-tv movie on memriTV which played in Iran was scholarly. In that television series, the professor lecture is excellent. It wouldn't surprise me if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is familar with Graf, Faurisson and personally saw that tv series.

[Richard Perle]

If/when Iran is invaded, you can bet that Graf will end up dead.

[Bergmann]

Graf lives in Moscow, not Teheran. He is married to a Russian historian.

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Did he used to live in Teheran?

[Hannover]

This is a spin job attempting to say the Ahmadinejad recanted, which he has not, read the text. The sleazy story even uses 'recasts' in attempt to insert 'recant' in the reader's mind. Read on.

The 'holocau$t' Industry desperately wants to stop open debate, they know they cannot prevail. They are hiding plenty.

- Hannover

Iran Official Recasts Holocaust Comments
Link here (edited by Webmaster)

By NICHOLAS PAPHITIS, Associated Press WriterFri Dec 16, 2005

The Iranian president's widely condemned remarks about Israel and the Holocaust were "misunderstood" by Western governments, Iran's interior minister said Friday.

Speaking on the sidelines of an Athens conference on immigration, Mostafa Pur Mohammadi told The Associated Press: "Actually the case has been misunderstood. (President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) did not mean to raise this matter.

"He wanted to say that if certain people have created troubles for the Jewish community they should bear the expenses, and it is not others who should pay for that."

Ahmadinejad's comments Wednesday drew quick condemnations from Israel, the United States and Europe, which warned he is hurting Iran's position in talks aimed at resolving suspicions about his regime's nuclear program.

During a tour of southeastern Iran, Ahmadinejad said that if Europeans insist the Holocaust occurred, then they are responsible and should pay the price.

"Today, they have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets," Ahmadinejad told thousands of people in Zahedan. "If you committed this big crime, then why should the oppressed Palestinian nation pay the price?"

"This is our proposal: If you
committed the crime, then give a part of your own land in Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to them so that the Jews can establish their country," he said in remarks carried live by state television.

In October, he provoked an international outcry by calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

European Union leaders meeting in Brussels, Belgium, warned in a draft statement Friday Ahmadinejad's remarks could be grounds for sanctions against Iran.

"These comments are wholly unacceptable and have no place in civilized political debate," the draft statement said.

Inside Iran, moderates have called on the Islamic cleric-led regime to rein in the president. His election in June sealed the long decline of Iran's reform movement, which had largely dropped the harsh anti-Israeli and anti-U.S. rhetoric of the 1979 Islamic Revolution and sought to build international ties.

Nations across the world have condemned Ahmadinejad's remarks. The White House said his words "only underscore why it is so important that the international community continue to work together to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons."

Israel's Foreign Ministry said the comments illustrated "the mind-set of the ruling clique in Tehran and indicate clearly the extremist policy goals of the regime."

Benita Ferrero-Waldner, EU external relations commissioner, called Ahmadinejad's views "absolutely irresponsible." Denying the Holocaust — in which 6 million Jews died during World War II at Nazi hands — is a crime in several European nations.

China, which maintains good relations with both Iran and Israel, said such remarks could undermine world stability.

"We are not in favor of any remarks detrimental to stability and peace," Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said Thursday. "Israel is a sovereign state."

Moscow did not directly criticize Ahmadinejad but condemned any attempts to deny the Holocaust and said it was necessary to restate Moscow's "principled position."

"Speculation on these themes runs contrary to the principles of the U.N. Charter and the opinion of the world community," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

Arab governments appeared reluctant to condemn Ahmadinejad. In Saudi Arabia, government-controlled newspapers picked up the remarks from international news agencies but did not comment on them.

[Hyman]

At first blush, one might think the Iranian president reckless in making his recent comments about the big H. After all, Israel would dearly love the U.S. military to smite another of its enemies and exact regime change in a second “axis of evil” country. They probably hope that if Bush was dense enough to step into it once, he can be prompted to do it again. So why, at this precipitous time, antagonize the zionists and their western poodles with heretical musings about the sacred Holocaust?
On further thought it might be concluded that, in any case, the die is already cast in regard to Iran, as it was months before the actual military attack on Iraq. The neocons wanted war with Iraq from the start, and any diplomatic moves in the run-up to the war were only a ruse aimed at gaining the acceptance in public opinion which would make the war feasible. Then when enormous peace protests started taking place, the war-mongers became quite frantic to get the war started.

The Iranian government probably correctly perceives that a decision has already been made by Israel and the U.S. regarding what to do with Iran. My guess is that the U.S. military won’t be persuaded to smite another of Israel’s enemies, even if Bush and the neocons are for it. Probably the worse that could happen to Iran (at present) is an air assault by Israel against presumed nuclear facilities. Perhaps what the Iranian president is intimating is that, if such an assault comes, there will be no holds barred when it comes to discussing the Holocaust and its relevance in the legitimacy of the Jewish state. What the recent more placating statements by the Iranian interior minister might indicate is that Iran doesn’t care enough to debate the big H, and will shut up about it, as long as Israel keeps its airforce at home.


Those with doubts about the official history won’t have their doubts assuaged after observing the hysteria prompted in the jewsmedia over a few heretical utterances from the Iranian leader. And how about the dunce Kofi Annan in response to the Iranian president’s comments condemning "any denial of the Holocaust as an historical event, either in full or in part." Even “in part”? Kofi, who do we go to to get the unerring gospel about the Holocaust? Anyway, I don’t think the Iranian’s comments will advance revisionism much unless he were to name the names of the major revisionists currently imprisoned in Europe (Rudolf, Zundel, Irving) and advise people to seek out their writings – and he probably thinks that level of detail would be beneath him as president of Iran.

[grenadier]

Good observations Hyman. Anyway, it is always good to see the leader
of an important nation make these sorts of statements and the
hysterical reaction in the west, particularly in Germany. It is
precisely this kinda reaction that certainly makes people wonder,
or at least, the astute observers.
I believe the Holocaust ideology forms, in part at least, the underpinning
mythology of Globalization and the New World Order.
Therefore it will probably hold an iron grip until oil supplies in the Middle East start to run out in the last half of the century or later and the power structure is forced to shift. It is doubtful that as long as this
structure is in power Revisionists will ever make
much more headway than they have so far. Already the
seed has been planted that some people have doubts
about the Holocaust, and doubts are the first cracks
in the inevitable crumbling of the edifice.
The only reason that people find the story convincing now is
because of the huge media saturation.

[chammer]

This is a spin job attempting to say the Ahmadinejad recanted, which he has not, read the text. The sleazy story even uses 'recasts' in attempt to insert 'recant' in the reader's mind. Read on.

The 'holocau$t' Industry desperately wants to stop open debate, they know they cannot prevail. They are hiding plenty.

- Hannover

Iran Official Recasts Holocaust Comments
Link here (edited by Webmaster)

By NICHOLAS PAPHITIS, Associated Press WriterFri Dec 16, 2005

The Iranian president's widely condemned remarks about Israel and the Holocaust were "misunderstood" by Western governments, Iran's interior minister said Friday.

(snip)

By the way it's not Ahmadinejad who tried to limit the impact of his earlier claims; it's the interior minister. A the same time a foreign minister said exactly the opposite and one ayatollah backed him also. One can conclude that the iranian government is divided on this, they are all revisionists but some believe it's a bad strategy to say it openly and loudly while others don't care.

[chammer]

Anyway, I don’t think the Iranian’s comments will advance revisionism much unless he were to name the names of the major revisionists currently imprisoned in Europe (Rudolf, Zundel, Irving) and advise people to seek out their writings – and he probably thinks that level of detail would be beneath him as president of Iran.

I beg to disagree. Most people who hear about Zundel/Irving/Rudolf do not feel the need to search their books, and even if you provide them an URL they don't see the point to visit them and waste their time.
I did the experience countless times in the past.
First you have Jews/christian fundamentalists/leftists who seek a political truth that suit their vision of the world and who are not interested to know if this history can be disproved.
Second you have a sizeable number of people who think that revisionists are flat earth theoricians and that reading more than a few lines of their material is a waste of time.
But for the latest ones this mentality is driven by the fact that revisionists are in minority. If more and more important people (like diplomats, politicians, scientists) break the taboo, even without providing the name of the authors, it's a good mole job.
Lots of people follow the crowd instead of using their curiosity to analyse multiple versions. Without a critical mass, they won't move and take a look at the material.
Of course I would have prefer if the iranian president was more explicit in saying that he doesn't deny the camps even if he used the word 'myth', but in that case the medias could have chop the rational part of his claim.

[Hannover]

But for the latest ones this mentality is driven by the fact that revisionists are in minority. If more and more important people (like diplomats, politicians, scientists) break the taboo, even without providing the name of the authors, it's a good mole job.

That's exactly what Ahmadinejad is. It's huge when a president of a large country calls the 'holocau$t' a 'myth'. Which, using the standard storyline, is certainly a 'myth', and much more. It's a 'fraud'.

Revisionist research gains big time from this.

- Hannover

[chammer]

That's exactly what Ahmadinejad is. It's huge when a president of a large country calls the 'holocau$t' a 'myth'. Which, using the standard storyline, is certainly a 'myth', and much more. It's a 'fraud'.

Revisionist research gains big time from this.

- Hannover

I don't believe that 1 or event 2 presidents could be enough, but what I like is that those people and their diplomats speak in private too.
For exemple if there is a push to 'punish' Iran one can imagine that at least a few diplomats from non European countries (from S. Am., Asia, etc..) will ask: Why do you say those non sense?
And they have the books to reply and defend their case in private.
A few muslim leaders and Chavez at least could be under the spot[light] sooner or late, but perhaps others, who knows?

[Hyman]

Anyway, I don’t think the Iranian’s comments will advance revisionism much unless he were to name the names of the major revisionists currently imprisoned in Europe (Rudolf, Zundel, Irving) and advise people to seek out their writings – and he probably thinks that level of detail would be beneath him as president of Iran.

I beg to disagree. ....

Agreed that revisionism wouldn’t advance leaps and bounds, even if Ahmadinejad gave details and named names of revisionist researchers. The categories of non-amenable people you have listed are in effect. There is a smaller category of people: people of good will who think for themselves and seek the truth and of these a few might be prompted to look into what Ahmadinejad is going on about, if he got into more detail. But changes in the balance of power in politics and media will have to occur before Holocaust revisionism can gain overall popular acceptance. Also as noted, the mainstream media just may fail to report anything it fears might give revisionism a boost. As an example, Ahmadinejad’s noting that their are people in jail in Europe for questioning Holocaust orthodoxy has been given no analysis in the jewsmedia (that I have seen).

Come to think of it, Ahmadinejad might be obliged to get into more detail and explain what he is talking about regarding the Holocaust, because as of now what little he has said has worked against him in the propaganda battle with his Zionist enemy. Israel wants regime change in Iran because the Iranian regime sees the Zionist regime as illegitimate. The Zionist/neo-con tact is to paint the Iranians as Osama writ large, terrorists and madmen who can’t be trusted with nuclear weapons. So-called “holocaust deniers” are presently caricatured, marginalized and demonized in the Jewish dominated MSM in the west and if Ahmadinejad is categorized as one, it serves to bolster his status in the “madman” category -- therefore providing greater reason for some more “shock and awe” and regime change. Ahmadinejad might eventually feel an explanation of his views is needed in order to blunt the “madman” charge.