Pro-Revisionist Films and Videos. More than 2?

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Let's say a basic filming of a lecture doesn't count. I'm talking about edited films.

Is the David Cole video pretty much it? Wasn't anything made in the 70's or 80's? Anything?

There's the Mr. Death video. Arguably that's one, so now we have 2.

Someone like Hannover or Scott should learn Final Cut Pro or I-Movie for Pete's sake.

It's like the philosophy of Marshall McLuhan, "the Medium is the Message." The other side is kicking our ass because we are in the text world and they are in the movie world. Maybe.

Then again we know about the JDL and Cole. But someone wouldn't have to show their face in the film.

We have our advantages (were we to ever make a movie): because it wouldn't be a "for profit" movie. Due to that, all kinds of copyright liberties are available. We could use their footage, and simply comment on it.

The first time Errol Morris showed his film Mr. Death to a trial audience at Harvard University, some students after viewing it said they believed Leuchter's theory, and thus a startled Morris went back to the editing room and changed it somewhat.

And talk about definition of a true artist or artist-movement: an individual or small group of individuals who are aware of truths that the vast population is oblivious to, and via their art try to enlighten their fellow man, largely out of love for their fellow man (seeing that their falsehoods burden them.) And like all the hugest art movements throughout history, the super vanguards get beat up, put in jail, threatened,--that would be Faurisson, Zundel, Cole and others.

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[Braveheart]

Someone like Hannover or Scott should learn Final Cut Pro or I-Movie for Pete's sake.

May I ask what is prohibiting you from learning Final Cut or Adobe Premiere or some other video editing program?

If you are so eager to advance revisionism on a certain front, why not contribute your own time and efforts, instead of waiting for others to shoulder the load?

[Richard Perle]

On the BBC in the UK, starting next Tuesday, is a 6-part Holocaust documentary that is supposedly the result of painstaking research "behind the iron curtain". The Saturday papers that I buy both had a holocaust piece complete with many of the crazy myths that have been debunked beyond question..
A great project would be to take an existing documentary and edit in facts to shoot down the claims made within.

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

Richard Perle: that's a good idea!

Braveheart: I've thought about it. I wonder about other things though too: how could revisionists collaborate to make something. Is it possible to be anonymous with one another but still collaborate on a project somehow? That is a question I have.

Certain things that come to mind are the following, just off the top of my head:

--a person could post their idea here, or even post a script, or links to a storyboard, and get feedback from the people here.

--one person could write the script, the other could turn that script into reality

--one person could do a short video on Treblinka, and another on Auschwitz, and then they could be combined.

--a person could make something small, provide a link, get feedback, and then change it and make it bigger.

[Hannover]

CCS:
There have been tons of videos, and why don't lectures count? They often contain great graphics and general visuals.
http://www.noontidepress.com/toc.html

- Hannover

http://www.noontidepress.com/cgi-bin/se ... t%20videos
The Noontide Press:
On the subject of 'Revisionist videos' we have the following materials:

Title Author
'For Fear of the Jews' Joseph Sobran
A Skeptical Look at 'Schindler's List' Theodore J. O'Keefe
Battleship Auschwitz / Rommel: Hero, or Traitor to the Fuhrer David Irving
Blacklisting My Book, 'An Eye for An Eye' John Sack
Bolshevik Revolution: Its Meaning for Today Ivor Benson
Botched Execution of Fred Leuchter / Battling the Enemies of Freedom and Truth Fred Leuchter & Kirk Lyons
Bradley Smith on the Mort Downey Show Bradley Smith & Mort Downey
Campaign to Put Me Out of Business Fred Leuchter
Campus Project Update / My Relationship with Michael Shermer Bradley Smith & David Cole
Campus Project Update / My Trip to Auschwitz Bradley Smith & David Cole
Challenging the US Holocaust Memorial Museum Mark Weber, David Irving & Robert Faurisson
Changing Views of Race and Society / Closing Remarks / Adjournment Glayde Whitney, Greg Raven & Mark Weber
Christianity and the Holocaust Story / The Morgenthau Plan and the Problem of Policy Perversion Herman Otten & Anthony Kubek
Churchill and US Entry into World War II David Irving
Churchill Myth David Irving
CIA and the 'Making' of History / The First Gassing at Auschwitz: Genesis of a Myth Victor Marchetti, Carlo Mattogno & Russ Granata
David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper David Cole
David Irving at the University of Toronto David Irving
Deposition of ADL's Alan Schwartz Mark Lane & Alan Schwartz
Eleventh IHR Conference (1992): Highlights
Fate of Unregistered Auschwitz Inmates Jurgen Graf
George Morgenstern: The Man Who Got Pearl Harbor Right James J. Martin
German 'Gas Vans' / Air Photo Evidence Friedrich Berg & John Ball
Germans Punished for Mistreating Jews Robert Faurisson
Historical Past vs. Political Present Arthur R. Butz
History is as History Does Bradley Smith
Holocaust revisionism in Europe, 1983-1987 Robert Faurisson
Ich Komme Wieder David Irving
Influence of America's Postwar Occupation on Today's Japan Akira Kawachi
Interview with Prof. Robert Faurisson Ernst Zundel
Israel's Attack on the USS Liberty Phillip Tourney
Israel-Palestine Conflict: A Palestinian Perspective Said Arikat
Latest Developments in Europe Robert Faurisson
Leuchter & Smith on Boston TV Fred Leuchter & Bradley Smith
Life and Death of My Father, Rudolf Hess Wolf Rudiger Hess
Life and Work as a Political Refugee Germar Rudolf
Loss of Liberty
Machinations of the Anti-Defamation League Pete McCloskey
Made in Russia: The Holocaust Carlos W. Porter
Making of the Leuchter Report / The Vision of Dr. M. Rost van Tonningen Fred Leuchter & Florentine Rost van Tonningen
Mel Mermelstein: Self-proclaimed 'best witness' to the Holocaust Theodore J. O'Keefe
My Experiences as a WWII POW of the Germans Doug Collins
My Political Imprisonment in Germany Fredrick Toben
My Revisionist Method Robert Faurisson
My role in fighting the frame-up of John Demjanjuk Jerome Brentar
My Struggle in Canada Ernst Zundel
My Victory in the 'False News' Trial Ernst Zundel
My Visit to the USHMM / Getting Out the Word Robert Faurisson & Robert Countess
My Worldwide Fight for Free Speech / Secrets of the Goebbels Diaries David Irving
My Worldwide Fight for Free Speech / Secrets of the Goebbels Diaries David Irving
Nationalist Trends in Modern Russia Ernst Zundel
New Challenges for Revisionism and the IHR Mark Weber
Ninth IHR Conference (1989): Highlights
Ninth IHR Conference (1989): Opening Night Mark Weber & Theodore J. O'Keefe
On the Front Lines Robert Countess, Bradley Smith & John Bennett
Opening Remarks / Keynote Address Greg Raven & Mark Weber
Origins and Impact of Jewish-Zionist Power Mark Weber
Our Revisionist Struggle Against Bigotry and Holocaust Cultism Robert Faurisson
Postwar Germans in Former Yugoslavia Tom Sunic
Recent Developments in Holocaust revisionism in France / Demjanjuk Case Update Robert Faurisson & Jerome Brentar
Remembering the Dachau War Crimes Trial Joseph Halow
Revisionism Retrospective J. Marcellus & Mark Weber
Revisionist Victory Against Mel Mermelstein Mark Lane
Search for Truth in History David Irving
Some Thoughts on Pressac's Opus: A response to a major critique of Holocaust revisionism Arthur R. Butz
Street Revisionism / Revisionism on the Airwaves / German Scholars and the Holocaust Ernst Zundel, Bradley Smith & Robert Countess
Struggle for Truth in the Mid-East Ahmed Rami & Robert Faurisson
Tactics of Organized Jewry in Suppressing Free Speech Tony Martin
Tenth IHR Conference (1990): Highlights
Tenth IHR Conference (1990): Plenary session J. Marcellus, Mark Weber & Theodore J. O'Keefe
Tenth IHR Conference (1990): Press Conference Robert Faurisson, Mark Weber & Fred Leuchter
Thoughts on the Military history of the Occupation of Japan / Canadian Censorship and the Keegstra Case Hideo Miki & James Keegstra
Three Pillars of the Holocaust Story / J.-C. Pressac and the Auschwitz Crematories Jurgen Graf, Carlo Mattogno & Russ Granata
Twelfth IHR Conference (1994): Highlights
Twelfth IHR Conference (1994): Plenary session Mark Weber, J. Marcellus & Greg Raven
Unknown Dr. Nyiszli: Auschwitz Witness Charles Provan
Van Pelt's 'Case for Auschwitz' Robert Countess
Weber-Shermer Holocaust Debate: The Holocaust Story in the Crossfire Mark Weber & Michael Shermer
Who Benefits?: Uses and Abuses of the Holocaust Campaign Mark Weber, Doug Christie & Paul Fromm
Winston Churchill: Pearl Harbor and Other Wartime Secrets David Irving

[Hannover]

also:
http://www.cwporter.com/buy.htm

MADE IN RUSSIA: The Holocaust
Revisionist Carlos Porter expands on his book of the same title, which exposes most of the "documents" used in the Nuremberg Trials as fakes and forgeries made in the Soviet Union. With captivating wit, he takes us through many of the original holocaust stories which were so ludicrous that you can't help but chuckle and wonder how anyone could have taken seriously. Filmed on location in Luxembourg, Mr Porter, a former American citizen, exposes a hoax of tragic proportions, considering all the people who have been executed and are still being persecuted because of this crime against justice. It also puts the Holocaust guru Raul Hilberg, author of the Destruction of the European Jews in a different light. Hilberg's research is based almost exclusively on those "documents".
100 Minutes [VHS format]

- H.

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

It looks like "Made in Russia" might be number 3!

I put the criteria that it had to be an edited film, because of the McLuhan idea of "the medium is the message" meaning that what medium you use has a lot to do on it's effectiveness. There's something huge that a taped lecture doesn't have.

Any way to buy noontide press stuff anonymously? I don't want some spy employee who the IHR might soon hire to take a cell phone camera shot of my name on some list of names.

[Hannover]

CCS said:

It looks like "Made in Russia" might be number 3!

I put the criteria that it had to be an edited film, because of the McLuhan idea of "the medium is the message" meaning that what medium you use has a lot to do on it's effectiveness. There's something huge that a taped lecture doesn't have.

Any way to buy noontide press stuff anonymously? I don't want some spy employee who the IHR might soon hire to take a cell phone camera shot of my name on some list of names.

OK then, when do you start Carto's Cutlass Supreme's 'High Production Value Revisionist Video'? Think you'll be able to just prance around Auschwitz and shoot all the footage you want?

Oh come one, do you really think the powers that be can't find out who you really are without the cloak & dagger cell phone camera stuff?

Thanks for participating, you bring a lot to the Forum.

- Hannover

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

LOL.

But what I want to see is Hannover's 5 minute clip, which he edited in imovie and used a $700 DV camera, and used found footage. I think you're somebody that could do this Hannover.

I'm not sure if those powers could find out who I am. They'd need admin access to this forum etc, and even then it would be very tough for them. Plus if they ever contacted me or harrassed me, they would be breaking the law. Which brings up a big point involving making videos. There's a discrepancy in the law about being a "public figure." I think if you put your face in the video, that makes you a public figure. Another example: If you ever called a press conference, that makes you a public figure. If you give an interview, that makes you a public figure. If you don't do that stuff, you are a private individual and you can sue for big dollars about defamation of character etc. I might have this a bit wrong though.

The ADL took a taped phone conversation and made it public, and I think they lost 10 million in the lawsuit against them. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. The people talking were in the private realm.

One thing I'm getting at is this, for somebody to make a revisionist video, they are going to need to know the law about copyright/public domain/Fair Use, and about "public figure" law.

[Archie]

I hope CCS doesn't mind me bumping this vintage thread. But it's interesting to see here the seed of Denier Bud. This would have been about a year or a year and a half before One Third of the Holocaust came out. The man got the idea and made it happen. Props.

[Mortimer]

And now the CODOH documentary page has dozens of examples. If anyone has new ideas for a documentary then go for it !
https://codoh.com/library/categories/do ... mentaries/

[Hektor]

And now the CODOH documentary page has dozens of examples. If anyone has new ideas for a documentary then go for it !
https://codoh.com/library/categories/do ... mentaries/

I'd have several ideas. But I also know that producing 'a movie' isn't for free. It takes time, effort, skills and some thorough funding, before one can hopefully engage in this.

One would have to look at what subjects need still be covering. And what did actually work well as a video in the past.

I think 'one third of the Holocaust' was white revealing, so was the Buchenwald film... The "Why we believed" is a good introduction. Eric Hunt made several good ones. I could imagine one could do one or more on 'psychological warfare' the anti-German propaganda campaign in the 1930s. Of course the Nuremberg IMT would a field to look through. But this would get broader as well than WW2 and Holocaust Revisionism.

What I'm interested in is also broader. The development of the whole pre WW2 period in Germany, Europe and also linkage to events in the British Empire. The 'life of the people' is for me more of interest than the central political issues.