Auschwitz I chimney on Holocaust Memorial Day

[Kiwichap]

My Contribution to Holocaust Memorial Day.

The Auschwitz State Museum Web Site says:

http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/html/eng/zwiedzanie/krematorium_1.html
Gas Chamber and Crematorium I
After the war, the Museum carried out a partial reconstruction. The chimney and two incinerators were rebuilt using original components, as were several of the openings in the gas chamber roof.

The link shows a photograph of the reconstructed morgue and crematory.

The chimney interests me. The building did house a couple of crematory furnaces - right?

In David Coles video, he says re: the chimney 'it is a reconstruction, and thats no surprise to anybody because the chimney is not connected to the building in any way'.

Piper explains in earnest that the holes in the roof were placed in the same place because the out-lines of the old holes could be seen.

The 'official explanation says:

using original components

Why did they not restore the chimney as they restored the holes, accurately, and connect it to the building?

What sort of restoration is this?

Would you restore a Model T accurately but leave the exhaust pipe lying on the ground beside it. That would not be a real restoration.

So here we have a 'fake restoration' of a 'fake gas-chamber'.

You just gotta laugh!

There was NO holocaust!

Cheers.

[Turpitz]

Piper explains in earnest that the holes in the roof were placed in the same place because the out-lines of the old holes could be seen.

Yet on the roof slab of Krema II, no plugged holes are visible according to Pelty, I mean you cannot have it both ways. On one hand they suggest the hairline cracks are visible at Auschwitz I, where the holes had been supposedly plugged, because it is technically impossible to unite a piece of cured concrete to another piece. Then at Birkenau Pelty tells the world in court that the holes were plugged in such an impossible manner that it rendered them invisible!

That building at Auschwitz I is a farce full-stop, there were never any holes in the roof period. There are floor gulleys, but this is built at FGL, which is a different ball-game to installing drains that are already at the water table as in Krema II at Birkenau, different ball-game altogether.

The best part of this chuck-up muck is all the internal partition walls that have been knocked out and their old runs are streaking all across the floor, which is a perfect example of the obviousness of why it is impossible to hide joints in mortars, Screeds or concrete.

The greatest problem revisionists face is the effects upon the general populace after being hand reared on such mind decaying shit as Oprah Winfrey and similar trash. I mean what hope do you have of trying to enlighten and explain such matters to a people who have been exposed to such worthless, mind numbing trivia over such a long period of time?

[vincentferrer]

Despair not !

The fact of the matter is probably 99% of non Jews today do not give a hoot about the Holocaust.

But it is worth beginning a conversation by asking how can you dig a 10 foot trench in a place where the water table is 18 inches. Say What !

Most folks can relate to that.

Well, that is the basis upon the entire Elie Wiesel novel, night.

Dismantle that, and the rest is easy.

but most important, get the youth to realize early on, this is one big scam.

10 year olds with average intell can comprehend it.

[Kiwichap]

My thoughts on the Auschwitz chimney.

The building was a morgue with crematory for the hospital across the road.

There must have been a chimney, there were as least a couple of crematory furnaces?

What happened to the original chimney? The rest of the building has survived intact! (suspicious)

Are there any photos of the original chimney, there must be.

What we see now is this great big brick chimney, not connected to the building.

A picture of a GREAT BIG BRICK CHIMNEY is worth a thousand words, and subdues a hundred questions.

Are there plans of the building showing the position of the crematory furnaces in relation to the big brick chimney?

I'm sorry for being such a lazy holocaust revisionist.

We know the chimney was never used, why does it stink?

[Turpitz]

There must have been a chimney, there were as least a couple of crematory furnaces?

Was there? Or are you just taking the industry's word for it?

Are there any photos of the original chimney, there must be.

There probably are photos of this building taken during the war, but neither you or I will ever see them because they will not add up.

Are there plans of the building showing the position of the crematory furnaces in relation to the big brick chimney?

There are supposed plans for this building, but I would not touch them with a barge pole. Paper is too easy to forge, physical evidence is nigh on impossible, especially when it is on such a huge scale as the industry's lies would make us believe.

Even the loser Pressac admits the ovens in this ridiculous building are obvious reconstructions, supposedly made from bits found in the camp scrap yard.

I do not think this building ever possesed a large chimney stack such as this, complete and utter forgery.

Would you build a gas chamber and crematoria slap bang in the middle of the courtyard, in full view of about three hundred surrounding windows?

Some of these windows are at near enough the same altitude as the top of the stack, the stacks must emit some noxious fumes because that is why they are built so high, so as to take it up out of harms way before releasing it. The stench must have been hideous if one was in any of these surrounding buildings. Add this to the proliferation of trees in the vicinity, the smoke and fumes would have been swirling around this courtyard all day, it would have been unbearable for everyone. The stacks and crematoria at Birkenau are set out of the way for this exact reason, although in full view of the inmates, at least they are on the periphery of the camp boundries.

[Richard Perle]

So do revisionists not believe that Krema I ever existed as a crematorium?

[polardude]

Richard Perle, Revisionists believe all kinds of things.

The vast majority of revisionists either say they believe it was a crematorium or choose not to fight their battles on that issue (which is a different story all together).
One anonymous online revisionist made a very good point that the outside door that was removed from the "furnace" room during the "reconstruction" would have backed right into one of the three furnaces - a very unlikely design feature.

I would further add that we are told that the door connecting the morgue and the gas chamber was cut in the wrong place during "reconstruction"; however it is impossible to see where the door originally was and then filled in - the wall appears seemless apart from the crude post war cut door.


For me the decisive issue would be if an examination of the building showed that there were remains of the below floor structures that carried smoke to the main stack. Cf.


I very much doubt that Russians would have gone to the trouble of making those. So if they are absent I would guess there has never been a crematorium there (or not one that relates to these plans) and if they are there was.

Indeed considering it is now admitted that "the ovens do not connect to the chimney" I suspect that is a tacit admission that there are no underground smoke canals beneath the "furnace" room floor.

I think an examination of beneath the floor would be worth doing - albeit tricky to arrange. Given the Museum is doubtless under no illusions as to the fraudulence of its structures it would try to block any attempt at such an examination.

Nor should anyone think that even if it were proved that no such underground structures exist that this would change anybody's mind. The holohoaxers would just say they were removed by the Germans to cover up the traces of their horrendous crimes and sadly most people are so enamoured with the concept of the Holocaust that this would be accepted.

It would be worth doing simply so that those who wished to know could be certain if or not a crematorium had ever been there.

Personally I rather doubt it, but my personal suspicions are hardly conclusive.

[Malle]

There must have been a chimney, there were as least a couple of crematory furnaces?

Was there? Or are you just taking the industry's word for it?

Are there any photos of the original chimney, there must be.

There probably are photos of this building taken during the war, but neither you or I will ever see them because they will not add up.

Are there plans of the building showing the position of the crematory furnaces in relation to the big brick chimney?

There are supposed plans for this building, but I would not touch them with a barge pole. Paper is too easy to forge, physical evidence is nigh on impossible, especially when it is on such a huge scale as the industry's lies would make us believe.

Even the loser Pressac admits the ovens in this ridiculous building are obvious reconstructions, supposedly made from bits found in the camp scrap yard.

I do not think this building ever possesed a large chimney stack such as this, complete and utter forgery..

If one looks at Air Photo Evidence ( http://www.air-photo.com/english/sola.html , number 8 ) it says; “…1944 air photos showing the roof had two 1 meter (3 foot) high chimneys over the furnaces…”

This tells us that liars from Soviet didn’t think about the air-photos the British and Americans had. So the Soviets created one new chimney with wrong size, instead of two, which is recognized as a forgery by all normal historians today.

Full text:

Flat-roofed building. For 45 years, from 1948 to 1993, the eye-witness story was the building roof had 2 vent holes used to pour in Zyklon B pellets and a large chimney to expel cremation gas. In 1993 Air Photo Evidence released 1944 air photos showing the roof had two 1 meter (3 foot) high chimneys over the furnaces, but no vents or holes over the alleged gas chamber and no large chimney. It was then admitted that after the war the Russians cut the 2 vent holes over the morgue and built the chimney.

[Kiwichap]

I said: - There must have been a chimney, there were as least a couple of crematory furnaces?

Turpitz said: -Was there? Or are you just taking the industry's word for it?

Good question, perhaps I am, without thinking.

With thinking I think: Why would you build a morgue, under-ground to keep it cool - and then stick in a couple of furnaces?

Do we know of one other morgue/crematory couple, in the same building - anywhere?

Modern crematories have a cool storage facility - thats not a morgue.

Cole shows the big room was originally 5 rooms, if I remember right. A morgue would contain rooms for post-mortem examinations, office, etc. There was a bathroom there also.

So, Turpitz, what were the two one-meter chimneys for, if they were not furnace chimneys? Perhaps the boss had a little stove in his office.

Cheers

[Reinhard]

Have a look at:

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndcrema.html

[under No. 4.1 in above article by Carlo Mattogno]

[Kiwichap]

Thanks Reinhard

So

The two Topf double-muffle cremation ovens presently on display in the crematorium of Auschwitz Main Camp were reconstructed after the war, but in a rather awkward manner, using original parts that had been removed from the ovens by the SS. It is thus entirely pointless to examine these reconstructions in the hopes of gaining an understanding of this type of oven. For this reason our investigation is based wholly on the examination of the oven from Mauthausen, and on the documents available to us relating to the ovens of Auschwitz and that of Mauthausen - all of which were the same model.[91]

So, if we can't be sure about the ovens, their faithful restoration, then we cannot be sure that they are in the correct position. There were three:

As far as we know, Topf built four ovens of this type, of which three were installed in crematorium I, the old crematorium of Main Camp Auschwitz

Point being, as foolhardy as it sounds, the 'holocaust' hangs on the restoration of the crematorium of the Auschwitz Main Camp. Forget about those old collapsed buildings down the road at Birkenau. "Extermination was only MOVED there". If it did not happen up the road, then it didn't happen down. Stab the villian in the heart and he is dead!

Polardude talks about under-floor flues...

Exactly, connect the chimney to the ephemeral furnaces; and you win the prize.

Under-floor flues, I dont think so. - Only a big chimney - like the one they have there - which is not connected to the building in any way - could accomplish that - you know, updrafts and such.

The above plan shows six ovens - am I reading it right.

So we do not know where the original three ovens were situated in the building in relation to the BIG chimney - is that right?

[Kiwichap]

I would like to add, I'm confused.

Turpitz has got me thinking - vho not withstanding.

Why would you build crematories (3) in a building that housed a morgue?

Those things are like steam engines - without the boiler. - they get hot, you shovel coke into them - they get real hot, and everything around them gets real hot. (some weirdos think they put inflammable gas-chambers next to these furnaces)

I'm confused.

Were there ovens or were there not?

[disillusioned]

Wow.

Mattogno's article should be mandatory reading for sceptics everywhere. Here you have a guy exposing the holocaust myth with simple arithmetic!

Its all there and very easy to follow, and its all backed-up with authentic documents!

[Reinhard]

The above plan shows six ovens - am I reading it right.

So we do not know where the original three ovens were situated in the building in relation to the BIG chimney - is that right?

There were three ovens in Krematorium I. Each oven had two muffles. The plan shows the 3 double-muffle-ovens (= 6 muffles).

As far as I know and understand the research done by Prof. Faurisson, Germar Rudolf and Carlo Mattogno correctly, the ovens were in the positions shown by the German plans, as was the original chimney, which had been dismantled in 1944, when the crematorium was converted into an air-raid shelter.

Polardude talks about under-floor flues...

Germar Rudolf wrote in a letter to me on 20 August 1998 concerning this question:

Die "Füchse" (liegende Schornsteine!) der Öfen sind, abgesehen vom Fundament, die tiefsten Punkte der Öfen.

[The oven's "Füchse" (horizontal chimneys) are, apart from the foundations, the lowest points of the ovens.]

I.e. Polardude is right, the chimney was connected by under-floor flues to the chimney.

Each oven was equipped with its own forced-air installation; this consisted of an air blower, which was operated with a 1.5 hp three-phase AC motor coupled directly to the blower shaft, and an appropriate duct. [...]
The exhaust installation, with a capacity of about 4,000 m3/h (141,200 cu.ft./h) of stack gas, consisted of an exhaust fan powered with a 3 hp three-phase AC motor coupled directly to the blower shaft; an air shutter separated the high and low pressure chambers. The function of this installation is described in the relevant operation manual from the Topf firm.[96]

Source: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndcrema.html

See also:
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcger.html
(No. 2.3.) and:
http://www.vho.org/aaargh/engl/FaurisArch/RF980126.html

As to the positions of the alleged "Zyklon-B - holes" in the roof, Carlo Mattogno wrote a very interesting article in Germar Rudolf's periodical "The Revisionist" 4/2004 (Vol. 2, No. 4):
"The Openings for the Introduction of Zyklon B – Part 1: The Roof of the Morgue of Crematorium I at Auschwitz", by Carlo Mattogno (pp. 411-419)

and (in German) in VffG 3/2004 (S. 267-274):
"Die Einfüllöffnungen für Zyklon B – Teil 1: Die Decke der Leichenhalle, von Krematorium I in Auschwitz"

Unfortunately, both versions seem not to be available online, but the above mentioned issues can be obtained in pdf-format at:
http://vho.org/dl/ENG.html

The printed issues can be ordered at:
http://vho.org/store/

[Kiwichap]

OK.

The above plan shows the entrance to the building center left, that goes to the descending path between the earthen sides. Thats where David Cole enters in his movie - right?

The picture on the Auschwitz State Museum Web Site shows that entrance to the left or top?? Either way, the chimney is not where it is shown on the plan.
http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/html/eng/zwiedzanie/krematorium_1.html

Have I lost it?