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Postby neugierig » 2 decades 2 months ago (Fri Mar 14, 2003 9:45 pm)

Scott wrote: Well, Roberto's answer was that the Nazis never admitted that they might lose the war so they didn't think about it while they had the chance


Sounds familiar, but still not convincing. Why would the Nazis dynamite buildings and than just before they are about to light the bonfire to destroy the documents suddenly remember 'Die Wunderwaffe' and realise that the war has practically been won. Hmmm.... :?

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Postby Hannover » 2 decades 2 months ago (Fri Mar 14, 2003 10:16 pm)

Another absurdity pushed by the 'Robertos' of this world is that at Majdanek the crematorium is said to have been destoyed by the Germans to hide evidence when they retreated, but curiously they left the alleged 'gas chambers' completely intact.

More 'holocau$t' logic.

Is it any wonder that the Believers insist upon laws that make investigating the allegations of the 'holocau$t' punishable by prison.

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Postby Sailor » 2 decades 2 months ago (Sat Mar 15, 2003 12:10 am)

Hebden wrote: There is a 1943 report from Mr. Globocnik to Reichsfuhrer Himmler in which he writes: "There is one additional factor to be added to the total accounting of [Operation] Reinhard, which is, that the documents dealing with it must be destroyed as soon as possible, after all the other basic works concerning this matter have already been destroyed."


I would like to read this report in the original German language. Any idea where I could find it?
The “basic works” may have been a reference to the disassembly of the camps themselves. And why destroy the documents? Did they contain something which Globocnik suggested that nobody should know? That they took the property away from the Jews? That Jews were resettled? I don’t think it was to hide killing of the Jews, because if they did how could they hide the fact that total Jewish townships and villages literally disappeared?

The resettlement of more than one and a half million people in the space of a year and a half should, however, leave traces which would escape attempts at eradication, whether by the Germans or the Allies.


What sort of traces are you thinking about? Graf/Mattogno mention some documentation about resettlements to Russia and transfers of Jewish inmates from Treblinka to other camps, also mail received from Jews deported to Russia via Treblinka. So does Rückerl in “NS-Vernichtungslager”. But these reports are rather minor, as you said, traces.

An interesting fact is the increase of the Polish population from 1946 to 1955:
Total Polish population in 1946: 23.6 million
Total Polish population in 1955: 27.5 million

Polnische Bevölkerungsverluste während des Zweiten Weltkrieges (Polish Population Losses during the Second World War)
http://www.vho.org/VffG/1999/2/Mueller159-164.html

It stands to reason that some of this population increase of almost 4 million Poles may be due to returning Jews who were resettled to the Soviet Union or deported elsewhere.
Most Poles who were conscripted to work in Germany returned already in 1945 to their homeland, others stayed in Germany for good or immigrated to the US, Canada and other countries.
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Postby Hannover » 2 decades 2 months ago (Sat Mar 15, 2003 4:46 am)

And notice that Hebden is not willing to say on what basis he calculates 4,000,000 allegedly "missing"; nor can he provide any information to substantiate his innuendo that 4,000,000 Jews were killed....he has been challenged, but to no avail.

take note, there is no lack of additional info.:

http://vho.org/GB/Books/tmotsm/A3.html
. . . According to Chambers Encyclopedia the total number of Jews in 1939 in eventually Nazi-occupied territory was 6,500,000. Many of these fled before the Nazis took over. In Colliers, June 9, 1945, Freiling Foster, referring to the estimated 5,800,000 Jews in Soviet Russia, explains that, "2,200,000 have migrated to the Soviet Union since 1939 to escape the Nazis." This reasonable and realistic figure reduces the Jews Hitler ever could have executed to 4,300,000.
. . . But a more devastating proof of the brazen fantasy of the six million figure is the rising number of Jewish survivors who claim indemnities from West Germany. By March 31, 1956, Germany had settled 400,000 such claims and another 852,812 were pending (See Jewish Aufbau, July 13, 1956). But by June 30, 1965, the survivors claiming indemnities had almost tripled. By that date ***3,375,020*** were registered with the West German Republic as having suffered under but survived the Nazis to claim indemnities for physical or psychological suffering allegedly incurred between 1939 and 1945.
That means that of the Jews that came under Nazi domination at least some three and a third million are very much alive and enjoying, very probably, more prosperity than most of the people of the world - for the people of Germany are subsidizing them with what U.S. News and World Report called "A $10-Billion 'Conscience Fund"' (Aug. 10, 1964).


- Poland's Jews:
".... Jews were deported by the Germans to the area under Soviet control on the other side of the San river. ... In the summer of 1940 many of them were deported to the Soviet interior." - Encyclopaedia Judaica Vol. II, p.184
Therefore by 1941 enormous numbers of former Polish Jews were living in what became Soviet Ukraine.

- David Bergelson, wrote in the Moscow Yiddish paper Ainikeit December 5, 1942, that "Thanks to the evacuation, the majority (80%) of the Jews in the Ukraine, White Russia, Lithuania and Latvia before the arrival of the Germans were rescued" ("rescued"...so called).
In other words, the majority of Polish Jews that were evacuated to the Soviet interior were then relocated or put into the Red Army by the Communists. After the war many settled in the Soviet Union, many flooded into DP camps. From there vast numbers went to Palestine and many went to the US and other places where Jews are.

- During the height of the Red scare in 1954 several Jewish organizations testified before a committee of the US House of Representatives that the Jews who left the German held areas in Poland were given a choice by the Communists in 1940 of accepting Soviet citizenship or returning to German control. Most of these Jews opted to return to German controlled territory. Those that chose to return to German controlled territory were deported to Siberia by the Communists. These organizations claimed to the U.S. House Select Committee on Communist Aggression that 450,000 of them vanished without a trace. ...victims of communism.

- Swiss Revisionist Jurgen Graf makes this comparison (I'm paraphrasing here):
'Before the Algerian uprising against the French, there were ca. 1,000,000 Frenchmen in Algeria, when the dust settled there were mere thousands. Does that mean they were murdered?' Nope.

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Postby Moderator » 2 decades 2 months ago (Sat Mar 15, 2003 5:43 am)

Hebden:
Your last post was deleted as you have repeatedly been asked to substantiate your '4,000,000'. You have dodged that challenge and no amount of sophistry will change that, you are finished with this thread.

The guidelines are clear.

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Postby TMoran » 2 decades 2 months ago (Sun Mar 16, 2003 11:11 am)

"If there was no Holocaust what happened to all the Jews."

That is a statement said often by members of the Holocaust community.

That would be the "missing Jews" as it's so often put.

The problem isn't on the shoulders of revisionists, it's the burden of those that claim it or acknowledge the claims to show there were any significant number of missing Jews.

What happened to the 2 million Jews who were once part of the 3 million Jews at Auschwitz who were suddenly deleted from the story? Three million Jews accounted for and then 2 million Jews unaccounted for or they never were in the first place?

In the initial tales to appear just at the end of the war we had some 1,500,000 Jews accounted for at Majdanek and now the number is anywhere from 80,000 to 300,000 accounted for.

At Treblinka there were some 2,000,000 Jews accounted for but now the number is more like 700,000 accounted for.

When it comes to accounting for missing Jews they come and go in the millions like rain drops that evaporate away when the Sun comes out.

"If there was no Holocaust what happened to all the Jews?"?

The answer is clear, if no Holocaust then the 6 million for the most part never were in the first place.


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