The Gleiwitz incident- Another Nuremberg Tribunal Lie?

[Merlin300]

The Story of the Gleiwitz Radio Station incident struck me as odd when I first read about it in William Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.
Allegedly, it was Hitler's justification for invading Poland.

"Here's the "propaganda trickery" that Hitler set in motion on the evening of August 31, 1939.
First was a public broadcast that read out a series of generous proposals that Hitler claimed to have offered to Poland. Next was the manufactured attack of a German radio station in Poland—an attack which, as we've already seen, had been planned by the Nazis themselves using Germans dressed as Polish soldiers.
https://www.shmoop.com/study-guides/lit ... chapter-16

Despite books like A.J.P. Taylor's Origins of the Second World War, which show the war started when the British and French "tore up" the Locarno Treaties. (As a reminder, the treaties allowed Germany to negotiate the return of the territories ceded by Germany in the Versailles Peace Treaty: the Polish Corridor, the Free City of Danzig (modern Gdańsk, Poland) and Upper Silesia. The losses by Germany in Denmark, Belgium and France were to be permanent. Germany honored the terms relative to Denmark and Belgium.)


The Gleiwitz Radio Station story is still repeated with added gruesome details-

Later that evening the attacks went ahead on the Pitschen Forestry Station, where a bucket of ox blood was spread around, and at the Hochlinden Customs House, where the bodies of the “canned goods”, the concentration camp inmates, were left. However it was the attack on the Gleiwitz ‘radio station’ that attracted the most attention. The ‘take over of a German broadcast by Poles’ was being reported by German radio by 10.30pm and by the BBC the same evening, and featured in the New York Times the next day. Hitler referred to ‘three serious border incidents’ in his speech to the Reichstag on the 1st September announcing the war. The Nazi’s persisted with the Gleiwitz myth for years, it was only first seriously challenged at the Nuremburg trials.
https://ww2today.com/the-gleiwitz-incid ... rld-war-ii

In 1933, the Gleiwitz Radio Station was identified as an important hub for the dissemination of propaganda and the Germans constructed a new transmission tower and antenna there. The wooden tower, measuring 111 metres, is still standing today.
On the evening of 31 August 1939, a seven-man SS team stormed the transmitter station disguised as Polish insurgents. They pushed past the German staff, seized a microphone, and announced in Polish:

“Attention! This is Gliwice. The broadcasting station is in Polish hands.”

https://www.historyhit.com/gleiwitz-incident-explained/

Another story has the bungling Germans going to the wrong radio station

"At around 8pm the ‘rebels’ managed to break into the unlocked compound and beat up the three radio station employees, all German nationals. Then their problems began. First they could not find a microphone. Further assaults on the radio station employees led to the discovery that it was not a radio station at all, merely a radio transmitter relay station for Radio Breslau, located many kilometers away."
https://ww2today.com/the-gleiwitz-incid ... rld-war-ii

In an excellent article Carolyn Yeager investigates the Gleiwitz Radio Station story.

He [Hitler] had only this to say about what occurred during the previous night:

These proposals for mediation have failed because in the meanwhile there, first of all, came as an answer the sudden Polish general mobilization (Aug. 30), followed by more Polish atrocities. These were again repeated last night (Aug. 31). Recently in one night there were as many as twenty-one frontier incidents: last night there were fourteen, of which three were quite serious. I have, therefore, resolved to speak to Poland in the same language that Poland for months past has used toward us. This attitude on the part of the Reich will not change.

Further on in his speech, Hitler said

This night for the first time Polish regular soldiers fired on our territory. Since 5:45 A.M. we have been returning the fire, and from now on bombs will be met by bombs.


https://carolynyeager.net/gleiwitz-%E2% ... re-fiction

Mrs. Yeager also uncovers the source of the story. As is common with the British, the evidence is a confession, signed after the War of a German SS officer, Alfred Naujocks, who was then in the hands of the Allies. It was presented at Nuremberg as evidence of a German conspiracy to launch a
"War of Agression."

So, is the Gleiwitz incident another fake evidence presented at the already disgraceful Nuremberg Trial or did the Germans really murder their own
people to provide fake justification?

Thoughts, information?

[Moderator]

FYI, this is also discussed in CODOH WWII Forum, here:

Gleiwitz:
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[Merlin300]

FYI, this is also discussed in CODOH WWII Forum, here:

Gleiwitz:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7282
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Thank you Mr. Moderator.

[Moderator]

My pleasure, Mr. Magic.

[nut butter]

merlin said

Despite books like A.J.P. Taylor's Origins of the Second World War, which show the war started when the British and French "tore up" the Locarno Treaties. (As a reminder, the treaties allowed Germany to negotiate the return of the territories ceded by Germany in the Versailles Peace Treaty: the Polish Corridor, the Free City of Danzig (modern Gdańsk, Poland) and Upper Silesia. The losses by Germany in Denmark, Belgium and France were to be permanent. Germany honored the terms relative to Denmark and Belgium.)

while i will admit to not having read "origins of the second world war", it seems AJP Taylor and john wear are at odds with the observation that the british and french tore up the locarno treaty, in fact he opines the opposite

The Treaty of Locarno, of which Britain and Italy were co-guarantors, also endorsed the demilitarization of the Rhineland. Hitler challenged this limitation when he sent troops into the Rhineland on March 7, 1936. Although this was a major gamble by Hitler, France was unwilling to challenge Hitler without British support. Britain was unwilling to authorize anything resembling war because there was a general feeling in Britain that Germany was only asserting a right of sovereignty within her own borders.[7]

Germany was now able to protect her western borders by constructing the Siegfried Line. Lloyd George, the former prime minister of Great Britain, commended Hitler in the House of Commons for having reoccupied the Rhineland to protect his country:

France had built the most gigantic fortifications ever seen in any land, where, almost a hundred feet underground you can keep an army of over 100,000 and where you have guns that can fire straight into Germany. Yet the Germans are supposed to remain without even a garrison, without a trench…If Herr Hitler had allowed that to go on without protecting his country, he would have been a traitor to the Fatherland.[8]

and the second to last paragraph
Mrs. Yeager also uncovers the source of the story. As is common with the British, the evidence is a confession, signed after the War of a German SS officer, Alfred Naujocks, who was then in the hands of the Allies. It was presented at Nuremberg as evidence of a German conspiracy to launch a
"War of Agression."

it seems as though this was not "As is common with the British, the evidence is a confession" what mrs yeager said at all but

In 1943, due to his health, he was sent to the West, where he served as an economic administrator for the troops in Belgium. These experiences may have soured him and made him want to look after himself first when the opportunity arose. Because, in October of 1944 Naujocks surrendered or “deserted”—turned himself over to U.S. forces—who placed him in detention as a possible war criminal. He is said to have “escaped custody” after the war, but he signed the Nuremberg affidavit on November 20, 1945, the day before testimony at the war crimes trial started. Was he in custody at that time, and was he released following the carrying out of that service for the United States prosecutors?

of course if i've understood it wrong please point it out.... i am rather old