Is the Holocaust story a conspiracy ?

[Scotsman]

I've seen many members here in threads going back ten years say something to the effect that the Holocaust was basically a complete conspiracy promoted by the Allies - in other words, they knew it was BS from the start, and they continue to cover this up. I am curious what the membership here now believes.

My own personal belief is that that the various historians/Jewish groups/standard historical works/governments really believe it, and that while the allies tried to make German atrocities -real or imagined - out to be as bad as possible postwar, eventually the whole thing took on a life of it's own after the Eichmann trial.

[Hannover]

con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.

Some people allow the Jewish supremacist media's hijacking of the word 'conspiracy' for the purpose of blunting critical thinking. Anyone who knows much about history will realize that it's one conspiracy after the other.
for the U.S.:
- The Lusitania
- The Maine
- Gulf of Tonkin
- "sneak attack" on Pearl harbor
- Saddan Hussein's weapons of mass destructions
- Germans bayoneting babies in WWI
- Columbus 'discovered' America

Well, this list goes on & on.

- Hannover

[hermod]

Do people really believing in their own war propaganda need to send a unit called "the Psychological Warfare Division" in order to 'document' the atrocities that allegedly took place in the German concentration camps? Do people really believing in their own war propaganda need to built a fake gas chamber which was "never used as a gas chamber" as admitted later (Dachau 'gas chamber' - http://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com ... aue019.jpg)? Do people really believing in their own war propaganda conduct 2 studies on the Auschwitz 'gas chambers' to know whether it's necessary to bomb Birkenau * and then never bomb those 'gas chambers' (even if they bombed 4 times the factories of Auschwitz III (Monowitz) located at 3 miles from Auschwitz I)? Do people really believing in their own propaganda need to pass laws intended to silence and jail "crazy Holocaust deniers without any solid arguments"?

Even the Top Zionist leader and future first President of Israël Chaim Weizmann knew that was a lie and he doubted that lie would be believed by all as late as in December 1943. After 2 years of Holocaust mass propaganda in Allied newspapers, Weizmann stated: "It will be nothing short of a miracle If we do get something out of this war” (http://www.shapell.org/weizmann-in-wwii-1944.aspx). He wouldn't have believed such a thing if he had really thought the Nazis were killing 6 million Jews in gas chambers and at other killing sites at that time. Weizmann knew that the extermination of 6 million Jews would easily give the British-administered Palestine to Jewry as a 'reparation'.

This is a February 29, 1944 letter to the BBC & higher members of the British clergy, from the British Ministry of Information:

Sir,

I am directed by the Ministry to send you the following circular letter:

It is often the duty of the good citizens and of the pious Christians to turn a blind eye on the peculiarities of those associated with us.

But the time comes when such peculiarities, while still denied in public, must be taken into account when action by us is called for.

We know the methods of rule employed by the Bolshevik dictator in Russia itself from, for example, the writing and speeches of the Prime Minister himself during the last twenty years. We know how the Red Army behaved in Poland in 1920 and in Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Galicia and Bessarabia only recently.

We must, therefore, take into account how the Red Army will certainly behave when it overruns Central Europe. Unless precautions are taken, the obviously inevitable horrors which will result will throw an undue strain on public opinion in this country.

We cannot reform the Bolsheviks but we can do our best to save them -- and ourselves -- from the consequences of their acts. The disclosures of the past quarter of a century will render mere denials unconvincing. The only alternative to denial is to distract public attention from the whole subject.

Experience has shown that the best distraction is atrocity propaganda directed against the enemy. Unfortunately the public is no longer so susceptible as in the days of the "Corpse Factory," and the "Mutilated Belgian Babies," and the "Crucified Canadians."

Your cooperation is therefore earnestly sought to distract public attention from the doings of the Red Army by your wholehearted support of various charges against the Germans and Japanese which have been and will be put into circulation by the Ministry.

Your expression of belief in such may convince others.

I am, Sir, Your obedient servant,

(signed) H. HEWET, ASSISTANT SECRETARY

The Ministry can enter into no correspondence of any kind with regard to this communication which should only be disclosed to responsible persons.

http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... a1247ea4cf

7 months earlier:

Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, chairman of the British Joint Intelligence Committee:

"It is true that there have been references to the use of gas chambers in other reports; but these references have usually, if not always, been equally vague, and since they have concerned the extermination of Jews, have usually emanated from Jewish sources.

Personally, I have never really understood the advantage of the gas chamber over the simple machine gun, or the equally simple starvation method. These stories may or may not be true, but in any event I submit we are putting out a statement on evidence which is far from conclusive, and which we have no means of assessing." [1]

"In my opinion it is incorrect to describe Polish information regarding German atrocities as "trustworthy". The Poles, and to a far greater extent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atrocities in order to stoke us up. They seem to have succeeded...

I think that we weaken our case against the Germans by publically giving credence to atrocity stories for which we have no evidence. These mass executions in gas chambers remind me of the stories of employment of human corpses during the last war for the manufacture of fat, which was a grotesque lie." [2]


[1] Victor Cavendish-Bentinck Minute, August 23, 1943, Public Record office, FO 371/34551
[2] Victor Cavendish-Bentinck Minute, August 27, 1943, Public Record Office, FO 371/34551

*

This August 14, 1944 letter from John McCloy, the U.S. Assistant War Secretary, says that a study was done about whether it was necessary to bomb Birkenau. Although the study disappeared after 1944, it must have concluded no mass murders were occurring and recommended against bombing because bombing was not ordered by U.S. President Roosevelt, the War Department, or the military.

14 August 1944
Dear Mr. Kuboeitski:

I refer to your letter of August 9, in which you request consideration of a proposal made by Mr. Ernest Frischer that certain installations and railroad centers be bombed.

The War Department has been approached by the War Refugee Board, which raised the question of the practicality of this suggestion. After a study it became apparent that such an operation could be executed only by the diversion of considerable air support essential to the success of our forces now engaged in decisive operations elsewhere, and would, in any case, be of such doubtful efficasy that it would not warrent the use of our resources. There has been considerable opinion to the affect that such an effort, even if practicable, might provoke even more vindictive action
by the Germans.

The War Department fully appreciates the humanitarian motives which prompted the suggested operation, but for the reasons stated above it has been felt that it can or should not be undertaken, at least at this time.

Sincerely
John J. McCloy (Signed)
JOHN J. McCLOY
Assistant Secretary of War

This August 2, 1944 letter by Chief Air Marshall Norman Bottomley asks that a study be quickly conducted about whether it was necessary to bomb Birkenau. The study disappeared after 1944, but it must have determined no mass murders were occurring at Birkenau and recommended against bombing because bombing was not ordered by Prime Minister Churchill, Bomber Command, or the military.

TOP SECRET
Secretary of State Polder

A. C. A. S. (I)
Copy to: Y. C. A. S.
P.S. to S. of S.

Reference minute 1 at noq. I have discussed this subject with General Spaatz, who is quite sympathetic.

1. Before we can consider any action, however, it is necessary to know more about the precise location, extent, and nature of the camps and installations at Birkenau. It is particularly necessary to have some photographic cover.

2. Will you please have this produced as early as possible, so that the operational possibilities of taking some effective action from the air can be studied by the operational Commands and the Deputy Supreme Commander. I need not emphasize the need for absolute secrecy in this investigation.

M. H. Norman Bottomley (signed)
\ D. C. A. S.
2nd August 1944

[Scotsman]

Some people allow the Jewish supremacist media's hijacking of the word 'conspiracy' for the purpose of blunting critical thinking.

I am not saying that those who think so are fools, or incapable of critical thinking. I just read a word or two about it being a cover up scattered on different revisionists sites as well as the archive of this board, but I had not read a discussion about an actual (in the proper sense) conspiracy.

[Carto's Cutlass Supreme]

I think a key point on this topic is lying. And different group's relationship to lying.

It's universally despicable, but in some cultures it's more despicable, in some cultures less. But anyone can see that lying can be advantageous. It's quite possible for lying to be "Jewish group evolutionary strategy." A term coined by Kevin MacDonald but which he doesn't apply to the holocaust since he stays away from the holocaust topic.

The story of David and Goliath, the story of Passover and the plagues on the Pharaoh, The story of Noah's Ark, The Purim story. In children these stories instill a group cohesiveness. "You are different from the other kids in your elementary school because of the struggle and suffering of your ancestors."

But it also occurs on a local family level: grandparents telling grandkids about some struggle in WWII or against the British in Palestine. And yet a fake story. Creating respect and awe for the elder and hence family cohesiveness, group cohesiveness.

There is Albert G. Rosenberg, interviewed in the book "The Lampshade" by Mark Jacobson. Rosenberg was a German Jewish Psyche Warfare officer who spoke on loudspeaker to the Weimar Germans on their forced tour of Buchenwald. In the book The Lampshade, Rosenberg's Mexican American wife in Texas, talks about how Rosenberg 50 years later, has post traumatic stress disorder and will wake up in the middle of the night punching at her in a dream state. He wasn't even an inmate. He wasn't even there until the camp was liberated. He was not in harm's way during the war. Saw no frontline action. Yet he does this drama to inspire "awe" in his wife.

I once heard a talk given by a woman whose Israeli dad was in Europe during WWII. She related how he sometimes freaks out and starts calling his wife and kids Nazis, or the Gestapo. Post traumatic stress disorder played out like theater. The daughter had awe and respect for this character who is her dad. The dad is probably faking, but it's advantageous to the family unit and the respect and awe he wants. Family lore as respect for elders.

Having said that, this building up, or fabricating a story about wartime to tell family and friends happens with non Jews all the time also. I've seen it. I've heard it, but I've never heard it done with theatrical hysterics like I have in Jewish storytellers.

[hermod]

The story of David and Goliath, the story of Passover and the plagues on the Pharaoh, The story of Noah's Ark, The Purim story. In children these stories instill a group cohesiveness.

Don't forget the myths of Jewish slaves building pyramides and Moses parting the Red Sea in order to liberate them and open the gates of Palestine for them. The first Exodus is based on lies. Why would it be different with the second Exodus, the post-WW2 Exodus?

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t893728/

Inventing and repeating fables is just the way Jews traditionally write and tell 'History'. Always been that way. The holohoax is nothing new...

[Kingfisher]

I don't think "conspiracy" is a appropriate term: more like "propaganda". It was promoted by all the Allied governments.

Like Scotsman commented in another thread, I prefer to turn the whole thing on its head: the "Holocaust" story is a conspiracy theory that a small number of Germans secretly planned and carried out this mass murder while destroying all evidence.

[Hannover]

... the "Holocaust" story is a conspiracy theory that a small number of Germans secretly planned and carried out this mass murder while destroying all evidence.

Well said, Kingfisher.

- Hannover

[Mortimer]

My own personal belief is that that the various historians/Jewish groups/standard historical works/governments really believe it

I would agree that they do really believe it. Most likely because of repetition - the standard "extermination" story over and over again many times. Plus the fact that excessive censorship of the revisionist point of view is in place.

[Horhug]

Or, alternatively:

But what began in 1945 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They [these measures] were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus -- mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.

[hdog]

Of course it was/is a conspiracy. Like Hannover said, the word conspiracy, especially when it's followed by theory, just seems to stop people in their tracks. The Holocaust tale is a conspiracy theory as well but I don't reject it because it's a conspiracy, I reject it because it's impossible.

[Hektor]

I don't think "conspiracy" is a appropriate term: more like "propaganda". It was promoted by all the Allied governments.

Like Scotsman commented in another thread, I prefer to turn the whole thing on its head: the "Holocaust" story is a conspiracy theory that a small number of Germans secretly planned and carried out this mass murder while destroying all evidence.

The rant usually goes like that "Holocaust Deniers" are "conspiracy theorists", since they allege that the Jews, Allies, Communist, journalists and historian came together to make this up implying that there is no proof for this and that the evidence for "the Holocaust" is actually overwhelming.

I also turn this around in debates that it's actually the Exterminationists that are the conspiracy theorists alleging that a small number of 'Nazi officials' plotted and executed in secret the extermination of Jews. After their pants fall off, when they can't show the "best documented genocide"-canard to be factual, they also resort to the cop-out that the conspirators made the evidence vanish. This shows that it isn't only a conspiracy theory, but a bad one by that.

Initially only a very small number of Allied officials and outlets from Jewish organizations alleged that the Germans and their Axis partners were killing Jews in gas chambers. This was disseminated through various media channels and it may have resonated with existing rumors. When the camps were 'liberated' the psychological warfare units then found all kinds of "evidence" some obviously doctored for dramatic effect. However what they could show was due to disease and malnutrition, whose occurrence was caused and amplified by Allied warfare (You know, if you bomb the infrastructure of a country to smithereens, shortage of food and other commodities may happen). They also pushed for show trials with swindling testimony and coerced confessions, which then added to the record. Historians and journalists merely parrot what is somewhere recorded regardless, whether that is true or not.