Ye (Kanye West) refers to abortion as a "Holocaust" when invited to Jewish Holocaust museum

[Lamprecht]

A masterful response by African-American musician Ye (formerly "Kanye West") when invited to tour the "Holocaust" memorial museum.
Ye has recently come out to expose various grievances he has with American Jews, such as:
- Control of the media and record companies
- Undermining of the Trump presidency
- Promotion of a radical leftist agenda using the media and Democrat party
- Promotion of homosexuality and abortion, in contrast with Christian morality
- Promoting an anti-White narrative and using Blacks as a shield and to silence Whites
(see my recent post here as well: viewtopic.php?p=106177)

In response to his "anti-Semitic" statements, Jewish-Canadian fashion designer Dov Charney suggested Ye visit the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.
Ye responded in an interview:

"I want you to visit Planned Parenthood, that's our Holocaust museum"

- Ye (Kanye West) on "Drink Champs" 16 October 2022
https://twitter.com/yipsigoon/status/15 ... 8833314818

For those unaware, Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organization in the US that provides abortion services. Blacks are consistently reported to have a higher abortion rate than other racial/ethnic groups. The National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) has estimated that over 63 million abortions have taken place since 1973, according to Fox.
Additionally, Jews as a group support abortion at a higher rate in the US compared to any other religious group, including non-religious.

Anyway, what do you all think about Ye's response here?
Is it appropriate to compare abortion to the "Holocaust"?

[HeiligeSturm]

I read about Mr. West and found him to be at least very brave.
He is also very right about promotion of abortion.

Remember Henry Morgentaler? Wikipedia: "Morgentaler was awarded the Order of Canada "for his commitment to increased health care options for women..." Increased health care option means abortion. Henry survived Dachau. Holocaust connection.

There is another abortionist hero or in this care heroine: Sara Imershein.
"Imershein has spent her time this way: performing first-trimester abortions and ritual circumcisions, known in Hebrew as brit milahs. She believes both practices achieve the same goal: allowing women to create the families they want." Emphasis added.

"Dennis Ross, a New York rabbi who directs Concerned Clergy for Choice for the state’s branch of Planned Parenthood, said it is important that Imershein is speaking up, especially as a Jew."

"The vast majority of American Jews (83 percent) believe abortion should be legal in “all” or “most” cases as of 2014"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion ... r-do-both/

As a non-Jew, I cannot compare anything to the Holocaust. It's copyrighted...

"Visit the US Holocaust Memorial Museum" seems to be the answer when someone criticizes influential American Jews.
The Passion of the Christ and it's aftermath? One suggestion was to visit the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.
Gibson aftermath hasn't stopped. Two days ago:
"“Gibson is a well known Jew hater. (Antisemite is too mild),” [Joshua] Malina wrote. “What does a guy have to do these days to put him on Hollywood’s no-fly list.” On Gibson’s birthday, Malina made a donation to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, one he plans to make annually — “in honor of Mel Gibson should go fuck himself,” he told me."
He continues: "well-known antisemite, misogynist, homophobe and racist. I would love to see Hollywood hold people to account."
https://forward.com/culture/521493/josh ... nne-frank/
I would love to see that too. See my posts here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=605&p=106184#p106181
and here viewtopic.php?f=2&t=605&p=106184#p106184

[hermod]

In pre-Israeli & Israeli Jew-occupied Palestine, the Zionist authorities weaponized the Holohoax as a tool of natalist propaganda. An official of the Israeli Minister of Health even suggested in the 1970s to force every Israeli woman considering abortion to watch pictures of young typhus victims in Nazi concentration camps as a powerful (but very dishonest and manipulative) deterrent.

https://postimg.cc/HVwwn8Qw

[Lamprecht]

I feel like updating on the Ye / Kanye West saga because it's remarkable to see. He is not backing down. Earlier this week, his Twitter account was reinstated, and he posted the following:



It certainly makes you think for a moment. From his perspective, he does have a point.

He also was interviewed by Lex Fridman. At around the 25 minute mark, Fridman brings up the "Holocaust" and tries to guilt Ye:



Fridman explains that Ye saying "Jewish media" reminds him of the Holocaust. Ye counters that "Jewish media" redundant, and says he is "Jew" and people would understand him differently if they accepted that. I have to say, this is a masterful response because it's fighting absurdity with even more absurdity - a type of absurdity that Jews have no experience dealing with. Fridman says that the individual Jews that screwed Ye over in his business and music career are individuals, not Jews. Ye responds that they actually are Jewish.
Starting at 36:15, he talks about a Jewish "trainer" that:
"Brought me to the hospital and put in press that I went to the hospital... I got friends that, off of exhaustion, a Jewish doctor, they diagnosed me-"
Lex: "Why do you keep saying Jewish?"
"because they were, right?
-diagnosed me with bipolar disorder and shot me with medication, put me on medication, then put it in the press and every time... if I wore the wrong color hat 'that n*gg*r is not supposed to wear', right - then they immediately say 'he's off of his sh*t, he's off his meds, he's off his rocker', and it's literally used as a Scarlet Letter[*] control mechanism."

[*] I believe "Scarlet Letter" was something like the yellow Jew star in Germany, but in this case a red "A" letter on a piece of cloth that convicted adulterers were forced to wear in 1600s Puritan New England
The "Wrong color hat" would be the red MAGA hat associated with Trump

Anyway, regarding the "trainer" (handler) he speaks of. This Jewish handler has since been exposed, his name is Harley Pasternak, a famous personal trainer for various celebrities. He made serious threats against Ye earlier this week. He said that if Ye doesn't do whatever he says, he will conspire to get him institutionalized (sent to a hospital) [again] and drugged up so hard that he is chemically lobotomized, permanently.



This is a very extreme and unhinged thing to say, possibly illegal, and his prior admission to doing it before may also be illegal (Pasternak is Canadian so I don't know how that impacts anything). Obviously he will never get in trouble for that, because he's a Jew and Ye is an "anti-Semite Nazi" but if it was anything different the guy would be in trouble.

These people are utterly demented, and the incessant attacks against Blacks for merely mentioning them is going to backfire considerably. Quite obviously it already has.

[hermod]

In response to his "anti-Semitic" statements, Jewish-Canadian fashion designer Dov Charney suggested Ye visit the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.
Ye responded in an interview:

"I want you to visit Planned Parenthood, that's our Holocaust museum"

- Ye (Kanye West) on "Drink Champs" 16 October 2022
https://twitter.com/yipsigoon/status/15 ... 8833314818

Anyway, what do you all think about Ye's response here?
Is it appropriate to compare abortion to the "Holocaust"?

How can anyone believe that invoking the myth that makes the Jews untouchable could possibly be of any help in a quarrel with powerful Jewish organizations?

[Hektor]

In response to his "anti-Semitic" statements, Jewish-Canadian fashion designer Dov Charney suggested Ye visit the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.
Ye responded in an interview:

"I want you to visit Planned Parenthood, that's our Holocaust museum"

- Ye (Kanye West) on "Drink Champs" 16 October 2022
https://twitter.com/yipsigoon/status/15 ... 8833314818

Anyway, what do you all think about Ye's response here?
Is it appropriate to compare abortion to the "Holocaust"?

How can anyone believe that invoking the myth that makes the Jews untouchable could possibly be of any help in a quarrel with powerful Jewish organizations?

It's like somebody being charged with heresy invoking how pious he actually is. Meanwhile it helps those that benefit from the narrative in some way. It does however demonstrate that 'the Holocaust' is a form of civic religion.

[hermod]

It's like somebody being charged with heresy invoking how pious he actually is. Meanwhile it helps those that benefit from the narrative in some way.

It is. Indeed.

Providing his opponents with a confirmation of their moral high ground can't be good for himself if I'm asked...

It does however demonstrate that 'the Holocaust' is a form of civic religion.

The new moral standard of the West.

[Hektor]

It's like somebody being charged with heresy invoking how pious he actually is. Meanwhile it helps those that benefit from the narrative in some way.

It is. Indeed.

Providing his opponents with a confirmation of their moral high ground can't be good for himself if I'm asked...

Indeed.

But those that challenged the Holocaust narrative were generally to polite and decent to denigrate their opponents. The opponents probably would then have simply alleged/insinuated that being accused of underhandedness or any moral flaws would prove "The anti-Semitism of the Holocaust Deniers" or something like that.

The legislation in Germany does exactly that by placing "Holocaust Denial" under 'inciting racial hatred'.

It shows how prejudicial such proceedings are against the accused.

As if 'No Holes no Holocaust' are bad news for anyone.
But for the post war establishment it is part of a 'cult of confession' and part of 'thought reform' - Read up what this is. Very revealing.

It does however demonstrate that 'the Holocaust' is a form of civic religion.

The new moral standard of the West.

Making - the mythical - Adolf Hitler their 'moral authority' by that. Previous elites in the West invoked the goodness of Jesus Christ in support for policy. The present elites - if one really wants to call them that - invoke supposed evilness of Adolf Hitler as justification for their policies or lack thereof.

It's very convenient for the present day elites, since they don't have to justify their policies in terms of 'national interest' anymore and can invoke 'universals', which can be far more vague. They can even justify policies AGAINST their respective nations with this, something that was a big no-no previously. They can also attack their traditional cultures and mores that way and anything they declare to be 'intolerant and authoritarian'. The result are woke policies and policies of the kind that support woke agendas. Their mythical Adolf Hitler is the trump card that beats it all.

That Hitler's power stems of course from the Holocaust. Without it 'invoking Hitler' would loose its power and would render 'him' useless to justify what is otherwise unjustifiable. Their arguments would loose their appeal and 'morale high-ground'... which would level the playing field in terms of political, social and cultural debates.

Since their policy proposals are foolish on their own its adherents would loose all their credibility, if the proposals lost the protection from that Hitler, hence Holocaust narrative. Hence they have to combat "Holocaust Denial" with any means at their proposal. For that they even drop their pretense of 'liberal democracy' or 'academic freedom'. While claiming this to be necessary to 'defend the values of liberal democracy'... Apparently, if it wasn't for the Holocaust people would want to introduce a National-Socialist dictatorship again. Was it all so wonderful, except for the Holocaust?

[Lamprecht]

Ye officially denied the so-called "Holocaust" today (1 December 2022) in an interview with Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes. No link right now, it's probably all over YouTube but will get deleted quickly. He doubled down in fact, but he didn't dwell on it very much.

East Asian YouTuber "Tech Lead" also has hinted at not believing in the "Holocaust" - he does not name it by name, but just listen for yourself:

[fireofice]

Here's some clips of him denying the holocaust here:

https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/15 ... 6100300824

https://twitter.com/RomanianLiberal/sta ... 2079731713

[Hektor]

Ye officially denied the so-called "Holocaust" today (1 December 2022) in an interview with Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes. No link right now, it's probably all over YouTube but will get deleted quickly. He doubled down in fact, but he didn't dwell on it very much.

East Asian YouTuber "Tech Lead" also has hinted at not believing in the "Holocaust" - he does not name it by name, but just listen for yourself:

Given the censorship and repercussions in terms of 'cancel culture'... Dogwhistesteling may be the best option as a strategy here.
Don't name Jews, Nazis, Germans, Holocaust, Auschwitz or whatever... but give description that those interested in the matter will know. Then you can even talk about the evidence, that should be there, not being there. The shills won't like it, but it will be difficult to get you banned or really hound you down on it.... As long as there is some 'plausible deniability'... Personally I prefer head on, straight confrontation with the issue... A no-nonsense approach, if you want. But I get that this isn't possible for everyone, everywhere at every time.

The network of which the ADL is an important part may be overplaying their hand finally... I personally doubt the Holocaust will survive this decade as a privileged belief among common people and I think the Holocaustians may get isolated in academia as well.

[fireofice]

"Holocaust survivor" responds to Kanye West:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU4foIBeV40

[hermod]

"Holocaust survivor" responds to Kanye West:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU4foIBeV40

The good old emotional bullying devised to prevent any rational discussion on Jewish hegemony & Israel's interference from taking place... A Holohoax classic !!

[Hektor]

"Holocaust survivor" responds to Kanye West:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU4foIBeV40

The good old emotional bullying devised to prevent any rational discussion on Jewish hegemony & Israel's interference from taking place... A Holohoax classic !!

It seems those gaslighting techniques have worked too well in the past. And that's why they try them over and over again. I should add that the techniques were designed for White Westerners... They may not work on any of the other ethnicities.
Now they get worked up about this:


Now if this is an incitement to violence (which I don't see), which one isn't the hexagram or the swastika?

The NS-view on Jews WAS NOT that they were 'sub-human' that term was mainly used for degenerate Germans, who tried to live off from society as habitual criminals. Jew were seen as ethnic aliens and as a group that had corrosive influences on society.
That Martin Stern is of course another interesting character there. I was surprised that he would be a 'survivor' guesstimated that he was around 70 and not older than 80. His own biography isn't exactly evidence for the extermination thesis. Nor is what he mentioned about his father... Who he says was first transported to Auschwitz but later died in Buchenwald. It seems the survivor status entitles Martin Stern to call Kanye West an idiot for not agreeing with him. So it's an example of victim status being used to privilege oneself to malign and insult other people. "Help people understand, why things happen". Indeed I think Martin Stern still needs to learn how the NS-attitude towards Jews came into being... or why Germany occupied the Netherlands... Matter of fact is that Germany was the most Jew-friendly country in the world before World War Two. But Jews internationally turned on Germany during World War one, and ravaged the country during the early Weimar period. That didn't sit well with many Germans... Who nevertheless showed remarkable restraint towards them.

He calls 'Judaism, ethical Monotheism'.... Well, it may try to cultivate this image. But on closer look it is vindictive worship of self. Which is why Jesus did disagree with that notion strongly. So did Paulus and the other Apostles... Who partially were killed by Jews for that very fact.

No love for the truth, there. Rather promote self-serving narratives and then vilify and crush those that challenge them.

[Daniel]

It would help me to view this affair as an authentic example of anti-Jewish criticism from a notable figure if "Ye" wasn't the notable figure, and if he didn't have such shady connections.

Milo Yiannopoulos and Nick Fuentes? My JewDar is off the Richter scale. Fuentes claims to be Christian, but he's obviously not. Yiannopoulos claims he's "formerly homosexual" and "formerly Jewish." His conversion to Catholicism is fake as hell. He's as Jewy as it gets.

I can't imagine such characters as these three have pure motives in anything they do. Endgame? Don't know, but I know that at least 2 of the 3 are not genuinely anti-Talmudic.

A point is that even if this is some troll act it makes discussion of Jewish power possible, so how could that be good for Jews? They'll probably figure out a way to make it good for them. It's all very stagey.