White House issues statement to "counter antisemitism" and reject "Holocaust denial"

[Hektor]

They may indeed not be the primary target of choice. So debates with those people should be brutish, nasty and short. Give them a simple challenge to present serious forensic evidence. And if they try to weasel their way out, give'm the boot.

They don't need to be a target at all. We are their target, not the other way round. Have any constructive and rational debate about the Holocaust on a mainstream website and you'll see Hasbara trolls jump in every time the debunking of the Holocaust fraud becomes too successful and obvious. Those Zionist trolls always start flamewars in order to make such debates unreadable. Some of them know that posturing impresses lurkers more efficiently than any solid & often complicated argument can do. Others use humor in order to turn such debates into a big farce. As always, demolishing things is much easier than building things and the internet Holohoaxers' sole job is demolition.

There is plenty of people active on the net that love to flame in forums. They aren't necessary Zionists, just dudes that love to piss off others. There is also plenty of those that just believe what they are told by media and on school. And they can be quite dimwitted, when the Holocaust gets challenged, they feel threatened that 'their authorities' can not be trusted... Flaming can be a coping mechanism with that.

And yes, posturing may do a better job the sound argumentation. Flaming and Quibbling can prevent reaching conclusions and keep up the levels of confusion among the audience.

IMO there is far better audience and people to talk about. People that aren't affected as strongly by the Holocaust Cult as many, actually all, Nizkor Type are. What you see with the Holocultists is Baconian idols at work (read it up). The Holocaust Dogma beats any evidence, any time. At times I'm shocked that it even affects people that are quite rational otherwise. But there we are.

A number of people, especially millennials, claim that they don't care about the Holocaust and they sincerely believe that they don't, but their worldview is entirely based on the Holocaust.

Indeed. Lots of folks are just tired on the subject. They also feel irritated by those characters that suddenly are obsessed with 'caring', when it is about 'Jews' and 'the Holocaust". Too many its obvious that there is something wrong, when non-Jews suddenly care more about supposedly gassed Jews than e.g. their own nations dead during a war.

And yes, the Holocaust narrative had major influence on how the post WW2 worldviews were molded. There is however plenty of mechanism there that need to be explained. Because how it had influence isn't always clear and it isn't apparent to many observers neither.

[Merlin300]

Gee, I am glad President Bidden knows so much about the Holocaust that he wants to bash Revisionism!

[hermod]

There is plenty of people active on the net that love to flame in forums. They aren't necessary Zionists, just dudes that love to piss off others. There is also plenty of those that just believe what they are told by media and on school. And they can be quite dimwitted, when the Holocaust gets challenged, they feel threatened that 'their authorities' can not be trusted... Flaming can be a coping mechanism with that.

And yes, posturing may do a better job the sound argumentation. Flaming and Quibbling can prevent reaching conclusions and keep up the levels of confusion among the audience.

I didn't say that all flame warriors are Zionists, but the Zionist flame warriors paid by the state of Israel (Hasbara trolls) to prevent any public debunking of the Holohoax from reaching most Western people's eyes and minds, are fairly easy to spot. After a while, one can almost read the guidelines of their trolling handbook when they're speaking. Most of them act like very primitive & unsophisticated chatbots. Clearly not the sharpest knives in Israel's drawer. It seems that they are a part of the Jewish people's "abundance of mediocre intellects who find no outlet" (as Theodore Herzl put it in his Zionist manifesto) if I'm asked.

[Merlin300]

Always the same democratic trick of equating Holocaust revisionism (dishonestly relabelled as 'denial' for defamation purposes) with antisemitism in order to ban it without looking like censors. As transparent and hypocritical as possible...

A major part of Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust is to fight the definitional shell game of Believers.
That is what we are doing right now in the Netherlands.

See viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14781

Please send in an email asking that Revisionist be allowed to submit evidence in opposition to the criminalization questioning the Holocaust

I sent an email basically stating that the right to present counter arguments is a normal part of scholarship that shouldn't be denied.

Thank you. Every letter counts.

[Hektor]

There is plenty of people active on the net that love to flame in forums. They aren't necessary Zionists, just dudes that love to piss off others. There is also plenty of those that just believe what they are told by media and on school. And they can be quite dimwitted, when the Holocaust gets challenged, they feel threatened that 'their authorities' can not be trusted... Flaming can be a coping mechanism with that.

And yes, posturing may do a better job the sound argumentation. Flaming and Quibbling can prevent reaching conclusions and keep up the levels of confusion among the audience.

I didn't say that all flame warriors are Zionists, but the Zionist flame warriors paid by the state of Israel (Hasbara trolls) to prevent any public debunking of the Holohoax from reaching most Western people's eyes and minds, are fairly easy to spot. After a while, one can almost read the guidelines of their trolling handbook when they're speaking. Most of them act like very primitive & unsophisticated chatbots. Clearly not the sharpest knives in Israel's drawer. It seems that they are a part of the Jewish people's "abundance of mediocre intellects who find no outlet" (as Theodore Herzl put it in his Zionist manifesto) if I'm asked.

Well, I recall that on several forums suddenly posters appeared, whenever specific subjects came up. The responses sounded pretty elaborate. As if they had been worked out by a team. Not something you'd expect from that kind of forum users, who are Average Joes. The targeted posts made their appearance with the following subjects:
* Israel Middle East themed posts. Especially when Israel was doing something that triggered condemnations.
* Islam related subjects.
* Second World War themes. Whenever someone noticed that the affair was quite complicated and that Germany/Axis may have had good reasons for their actions.
* Needless to say that any Holocaust theme came with responses. Deny or 'Belittle' "The Holocaust" and one gets white knighting responses from dimwits. The Nizkorites were a pretty open example of organized commenting.
* Migration issues and foreigner crime in Western countries. "Immigration is good for us", "There are also locals that commit crimes". It was mostly truisms that actually missed the point presented as witty insights.
* some of the 9/11 related stuff.
* Anything Jew related.

Presentation of arguments was partly plain talking "Israel got a right to self-defense". "Islam is a threat", "Hitler attacked Poland", "The Holocaust is the best documented genocide in history", but at times the posters had quite some ability to source from academic resources. Some of the posters def. had some college education in the humanities. Occasionally one may find someone fitting the profile in terms of interest and ability. But given the exotic interests this should be rare. It looked more like an organized response that is prepared and coordinated. Some of the posters definitely were there for other reasons than a hobby. But there were also people that seemed to be chippers in into debates. Meaning once the debate starts, it attracts more posters, which are normal people.

[Merlin300]

There is plenty of people active on the net that love to flame in forums. They aren't necessary Zionists, just dudes that love to piss off others. There is also plenty of those that just believe what they are told by media and on school. And they can be quite dimwitted, when the Holocaust gets challenged, they feel threatened that 'their authorities' can not be trusted... Flaming can be a coping mechanism with that.

And yes, posturing may do a better job the sound argumentation. Flaming and Quibbling can prevent reaching conclusions and keep up the levels of confusion among the audience.

I didn't say that all flame warriors are Zionists, but the Zionist flame warriors paid by the state of Israel (Hasbara trolls) to prevent any public debunking of the Holohoax from reaching most Western people's eyes and minds, are fairly easy to spot.

Check out Megaphone desktop tool.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool

It seems to planted in most of elected officials brains. (to return to Bidden's comments on "Denial.')

[Lamprecht]

I'm sure everyone here is surprised, but there is new bipartisan legislation being introduced to require the Department of Education to analyze every school curricula in the USA to see if the so-called "Holocaust" is being taught.
It's simply a fact that every school in the USA teaches about the so-called "Holocaust." By the time someone graduates high school in the USA, they have likely heard about the event in three different school courses as part of a lesson. For myself, it was around the third time they taught it that I started to have questions, which led me to revisionism.

This sort of thing is most likely to backfire.
First off, the majority of students are no longer White, and non-Whites very often can not be made to care about the event.
Second, the White students will be told that Hitler was some sort of "White supremacist" that wanted to kill all non-Whites (they usually say this because otherwise Blacks and mestizos usually wouldn't care) but for some weird reason, especially hated Jews (and as a racial/ethnic group, not a religion). White students that notice racial differences beyond pigmentation, and never thought of Jews as anything but White people, will question what the Jews did that was so bad to make Hitler target them over darker skinned people. ("Racism" is argued to be nothing more than skin hatred)
Third, merely being aware that people "deny the Holocaust" and then having it shoved in one's face multiple times will cause some to refuse to believe it on that basis alone.
Fourth, the more people think about the topic, the more likely they are to investigate both sides. That's why "Holocaust denial" is growing every year, all around the world.

RELEASE: NEW BIPARTISAN HOLOCAUST EDUCATION LEGISLATION INTRODUCED IN HOUSE
https://gottheimer.house.gov/news/docum ... entID=4098

The bipartisan HEAL Act will:

Require the U.S. Department of Education to conduct a study on Holocaust education efforts in public schools nationwide and to report to Congress on:
- Identifying states and local school districts that require and do not require Holocaust education as part of the curriculum;
- Assessing quality of Holocaust education provided by public schools;
- Assessing the types and quality of instructional materials used to teach;
- Examining the duration and comprehensiveness of courses/lessons; and,
- Analyzing how students’ knowledge is assessed.

[Hektor]

The elephant is in the room is why ordinary people turn "Anti-Semitic" at all.
But I guess that would require investigating the behavior of Jewish organizations and their deceptiveness.