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Re: Official list of Revisionist scholars persecuted / imprisoned for questioning the "Holocaust"

Postby phdnm » 3 months 4 weeks ago (Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:23 am)

Vincent Reynouard set for further hearing in extradition proceedings


9th February 2023

Reynouard was not in attendance at the court via video link from HMP Edinburgh on Thursday after an issue with the video link, but lawyer Paul Dunne said he had his client’s full position.

The court was told a YouTube video which was said to have been uploaded had recently been sent to Mr Dunne, but the video was currently in French with no translation yet available.

Reynouard’s solicitor said they needed to establish if the video fell into the category of racism or xenophobia.

Advocate Depute Paul Harvey said if it did, the issue of dual criminality – the principal that the offence convicted of and required to serve a sentence for in France is also an offence under domestic law – would fall away.

Mr Dunne also spoke of press reports in France which suggested there were further charges awaiting Reynouard’s arrival to his homeland, and he wanted clarification.

Sheriff Noble held Reynouard on remand.

Holocaust denial has been a criminal offence in France since 1990, and Reynouard has been convicted on numerous occasions.


https://www.harrowtimes.co.uk/news/nati ... oceedings/


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The defense adopted by Mr. Reynouard's lawyer

When a State issues a European arrest warrant, in order to obtain the extradition of a person found guilty of an offense or a crime, his request will be accepted if the facts also constitute an offense or a crime in the country where the litigant resides. If therefore the person opposes his extradition, the justice of the host country must examine the file, except in the case of 23 offenses and crimes which appear on a list provided for by international agreements on extradition. Among these 23 offenses and crimes are, for example, rape, arson, as well as “racism”.

The purpose of this list is simple: a) the offenses and crimes it brings together are punishable in all European countries; b) the definition of the said offenses and crimes does not pose any problem. Whether in England, Italy or Poland, arson is arson. So, for these 23 crimes and misdemeanors on the list, extradition is automatic, even if the litigant opposes it.

In the case of Mr. Reynouard, the French authorities based their request for extradition by accusing the revisionist of one of the 23 crimes and misdemeanors on the list: that of “racism/xenophobia”. Why did they act this way? Because the facts for which Mr. Reynouard was convicted in France, namely “Holocaust denial”, do not constitute an offense in the United Kingdom, which legally prevents his extradition. Aware of this impediment, the French authorities tried to circumvent the law by ticking the “racism/xenophobia” box in their extradition request.

Two years ago, Mr. Reynouard's lawyer could not have done anything: the box being checked, Scottish justice would have ruled out any discussion. However, two years ago Scotland recognized that in extradition proceedings a state can be guilty of abusive process.

The lawyer therefore intends to raise the following argument: the video for which Mr. Reynouard was convicted and which is described in the arrest warrant corresponds to “negationism”, and not to “racism”. To make sure, he plans to ask French justice for details on the conviction of Mr. Reynouard.

When the lawyer discussed all this with the prosecutor, in order to explain to him why he was about to ask for an extension, the prosecutor replied that he intended to make the same request. The lawyer was pleasantly surprised, because it seems to indicate that the prosecutor (who is not on Mr. Reynouard's side) also believes that there is a problem...

France seems to be abusively claiming one of its nationals whom it does not like for its opinions; she wants him at all costs, to lock him up after having sued him politically. And to achieve her ends, she seems ready to do anything, even to deceive the Scottish Justice.

It must be understood that the case of Mr. Reynouard is unheard of in Scotland. If we go back to political trials, as France does, then there is no more justice and we can go back to slavery. This is why the lawyer decided to defend Mr. Reynouard mordicus.

On February 9, the lawyer will ask for a delay. Knowing that the prosecutor has already carried out the same process of requesting information from France, the lawyer's request will be accepted. Mr. Reynouard's case will be tried in May or June 2023, because it is very important. This is unheard of in Scotland, where freedom of expression exists whether you agree or disagree with what is being said.


Source (in french): https://blogue.sansconcession.org/2023/ ... -et-joyeux

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Re: Official list of Revisionist scholars persecuted / imprisoned for questioning the "Holocaust"

Postby telleno » 3 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:04 pm)

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but what would be the response to communists being sentenced to denial?

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Postby Hektor » 3 months 1 day ago (Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:46 am)

telleno wrote:Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but what would be the response to communists being sentenced to denial?



They obvious have a beef with Russia at the moment. And Katyn can be blamed 'on the Russians'. That they were a Communist country at that stage is merely circumstantial. Also consider that the Old Left has been thrown under the bus anyway. Woke Hipsters that are Anti-Fascists and consider communism 'sexually repressive' are the new thing right now.

Also, the courts follow formalism. So if there is legislation against "Denial" then that may not apply to the Holocaust alone. So there will be some collateral damage and the Holocaustians can claim:"See, it is applying in general". You can however still do 'Dresden Denial' and this with official blessing. I think they made the death count something like 25 thousand and dismissed most evidences they didn't like in the process. E.g. testimony for low flying planes machine-gunning civilians and refugees was dismissed. When I read did I asked: "So they have a problem with testimony now?" . Well imagine a methodological equivalent on Auschwitz for a while. That won't happen of course. It is a theme park attracting pilgrims. And those pushing the Holocaust Narrative do have lots of social, cultural and political power. No historian commission would dare to challenge it, right now.

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Postby phdnm » 3 months 13 hours ago (Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:45 am)

Prosecutors demand 4½ years jail for 87-year-old Horst Mahler


March 8, 2023

At Potsdam District Court this week, German prosecutors have demanded a prison sentence of four years and eight months for the 87-year-old lawyer, philosopher and revisionist historian Horst Mahler.

The present trial began on 29th November last year: further hearings are scheduled this week and next week. Mahler is accused of publishing forbidden opinions, under the Federal Republic’s notorious volksverhetzung (‘public incitement’) laws.

Many of these forbidden opinions relate to the ‘Holocaust’. Although he was a well-known Marxist during the 1960s and 1970s, when he was the lawyer for several leading far-left terrorists from the ‘Baader-Meinhof Gang’, or Red Army Faction, Mahler’s ideas began to turn in a nationalist direction during the late 1970s and ’80s.

On 9th November 2003 Mahler was the principal spokesman for an international committee of historical revisionists – the Society for the Rehabilitation of Those Persecuted for Refutation of the Holocaust (VRBHV) – chaired by the Swiss teacher Bernhard Schaub, with Ursula Haverbeck as his deputy. Among other members of this committee were the leading revisionist scholar Professor Robert Faurisson; retired German judge Wilhelm Stäglich; German-Canadian publisher Ernst Zündel; exiled Swiss revisionist Jürgen Graf; exiled German chemist Germar Rudolf; Australian revisionist Dr Fredrick Töben; German patriot Manfred Roeder (who was at this time in prison himself); and Anneliese Remer, by then resident in Spain, widow of the war hero Otto-Ernst Remer.

VRBHV drew attention to an article that had been published the previous year in the magazine Osteuropa, by mainstream journalist Fritjof Meyer, editor-in-chief of Germany’s leading news magazine Der Spiegel. Meyer’s article amounted to a vindication of longstanding arguments by revisionists that no homicidal gassings had taken place in those so-called ‘gas chambers’ previously identified by mainstream, ‘exterminationist’ historians (i.e. in what revisionists have identified as mortuaries at crematoria I and II).

Whereas revisionists such as Faurisson, Rudolf et al. argue that no ‘Zyklon B’ homicidal gassing programme occurred at all, Meyer suggested that such gassings ‘probably’ took place in two farm houses outside the camp, and that ‘probably’ a total of 356,000 victims (both Jews and non-Jews) were killed in this fashion.

Despite its limitations, Meyer’s semi-revisionism was a significant breakthrough into the journalistic and academic mainstream. It became a spur to action, in particular for Horst Mahler and Ursula Haverbeck. The revisionist activism which led to their repeated criminalisation and imprisonment, was in a sense triggered by the publication of Fritjof Meyer’s article in 2002. Meyer himself (who celebrated his 90th birthday last year) was never prosecuted.

Meanwhile in many European countries, the authorities have moved relentlessly to charge, fine or imprison revisionists. Notable cases have included several of the signatories to the VRBHV letter of November 2003.

Robert Faurisson was prosecuted and heavily fined many times in France, and at the time of his death in 2018 at age 89 was awaiting the decision of his most recent criminal case, which, in the circumstances, was never pronounced. His enemies pursued him in the courts via one arm, and by means of brutal physical assaults with another arm.

Ernst Zündel was extradited from Canada to Germany in what was later shown to have been an unconstitutional process, and given a five year prison sentence: he was released on 1st March 2010 but was never allowed to return to his marital home in Tennessee. Ernst Zündel died at his family home in the Black Forest, aged 78, in August 2017.

Germar Rudolf was imprisoned in Germany from 2005-2009, and has since lived in the USA where he has been active as the world’s leading revisionist publisher. In 2023 he was awarded the Robert Faurisson International Prize.

Ursula Haverbeck (now aged 94) was convicted and fined several times soon after the formation of the VRBHV. In 2016 she received the first of several prison sentences for her consistent and courageous revisionism; the latest 12-month prison sentence was imposed last year. She remains free pending further hearings as to whether and when this latest prison sentence should be served. Ursula Haverbeck was the first recipient of the Robert Faurisson International Prize in 2019.

Horst Mahler was barred from practising law in 2004, due to his forbidden opinions. In 2007 he received the first of several prison sentences for revisionism, and aside from a twenty-month period in 2015-2017, he spent most of the decade 2009-2020 behind bars.

Dr Fredrick Töben was imprisoned in Germany in 1998-1999 and in Australia in 2009 for his defiance of laws denying free debate of ‘Holocaust’ history. In October 2008 he was arrested at London’s Heathrow Airport under a European Arrest Warrant, but a defence team mobilised by Lady Michèle Renouf defeated the authorities’ attempts to have him extradited to Germany where he would have faced another trial and long jail sentence. Dr Töben died in Australia in 2020, aged 76.

Manfred Roeder faced repeated prosecution for political offences in his native Germany until his death aged 85 in 2014. His most recent prison sentence was in 2005. In Roeder’s case his “crimes” included objecting to exhibitions that sought to defame the Werhmacht’s historical record. During one such demonstration, the elderly Roeder was brutally attacked by young “anti-fascists” who repeatedly struck him around the head with a metal bar, causing injuries that contributed to later health problems including a stroke.

Jürgen Graf was one of the first revisionists to face criminal charges, having been given a prison sentence by a Swiss court in 1998. He was already living in exile by the time of VRBHV’s formation in 2003, and spent many years in exile in Russia.

Gerd Honsik fled an Austrian prison sentence for forbidden historical opinions, living in exile in Spain for several years. After a prolonged legal process, he was extradited from Spain to Austria in 2007 and was given a five year prison sentence. Released after two years on age and health grounds, Honsik died in 2018, aged 76.

Several of the original VRBHV members were already elderly by 2003 and were never prosecuted, partly because of their age and eminence – notably the retired judge and revisionist pioneer Wilhelm Stäglich, who died aged 89 in 2006. Stäglich had been forced into early retirement for political reasons in 1974, aged 58, and in a remarkable act of petty spite the University of Göttingen took steps to revoke the doctorate it had awarded him in 1951. (This revocation was not for any academic reasons – it was simply because the University disapproved of his later political and revisionist views.)

During the twenty years following the VRBHV’s formation, there have been numerous high-profile cases against revisionists:

British historian David Irving was arrested in Austria in November 2005 and given a three-year prison sentence for views that he had expressed during speeches given in Austria sixteen years earlier. Following an appeal conducted by the eminent Viennese lawyer Dr Herbert Schaller, Irving was released after serving a year of his sentence.

Austrian engineer Wolfgang Fröhlich, who first came to public attention as an expert defence witness during Jürgen Graf’s trial in 1998, was arrested in June 2003 and spent twelve of the next sixteen years in prison. Even after his release in March 2019, Fröhlich spent the rest of his life as a condemned criminal without normal pension and other citizen’s rights. He received the Robert Faurisson International Prize in 2021, and died later that year aged 70.

German lawyer Sylvia Stolz, whose clients had included revisionists Horst Mahler and Ernst Zündel, was banned from practising her profession and given a 3½ year prison sentence in 2008, for the ‘crime’ for defending her revisionist clients too well and expressing revisionist views. She was given a further 20-month sentence (later reduced on appeal) in 2015, for a revisionist speech delivered at a conference in Switzerland.

Faurisson’s successor as Europe’s leading revisionist scholar – his fellow Frenchman, Vincent Reynouard, who received the Robert Faurisson International Prize in 2020 – is presently imprisoned in Edinburgh, pending an extradition hearing scheduled for April. His first jail sentence was in 2004, due to forbidden historical opinions relating to his revisionist study of the ‘Oradour massacre’, which is his main field of research and expertise and on which he has recently published a new book. He received further convictions and jail sentences in 2007 and 2015, but has never even been accused of any crime under English or Scottish law – nevertheless the UK authorities arrested him, acting as the instruments of French prosecutors and international lobbyists.

In 2018 the German-Canadian siblings Alfred and Monika Schäfer were convicted in Munich for their questioning of ‘Holocaust’ history. Monika was given a ten-month jail sentence, but was immediately released and deported to Canada because she had already been in prison awaiting trial for nine months. Alfred was sentenced to three years and two months. He was recently re-arrested during a commemoration of the 1945 Dresden terror-bombing. The Schaefers were jointly awarded the Robert Faurisson International Prize in 2022, and Monika recently published a book about her awakening to historical revisionism and the consequences.

In 2010 the German revisionist Kevin Käther, who had earlier been given an eight-month prison sentence, made legal history in Berlin when the court abandoned the case against him because prosecutors were afraid to give publicity to his questioning of expert witnesses in relation to The Rudolf Report – a scientific examination of the feasibility of homicidal gassing at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Kevin Käther had posted CD copies of Germar Rudolf’s Lectures on the Holocaust to Berlin prosecutors and to the two expert witnesses – Prof. Wolfgang Benz and Prof. Ernst Nolte. Since the Käther trial, courts in the Federal Republic have found procedural reasons to prevent such questioning of expert witnesses regarding the ‘Holocaust’.

Spanish author, activist and bookseller Pedro Varela was jailed in 1998 and 2010 on various political charges, some of them related to ‘Holocaust’ revisionism, and his Barcelona bookshop Librería Europa was closed down by the authorities in 2016. Pedro Varela is still facing prosecution in Spain for political ‘crimes’.

There are eleven counts in the present case against Horst Mahler, alleging that between 2013 and 2017 he circulated emails and the manuscript for a book, later published in German as Das Ende der Wanderschaft and in English translation as The Wanderer’s Redemption.

Some of the charges relate to a period when Mahler was serving an earlier prison sentence in Brandenburg. According to the indictment, he succeeded in writing his book while in prison and smuggled it out from the jail, to be published by his associates.

During his earlier prison sentence, Mahler suffered serious health problems leading to the amputation of his leg, and he was released on health grounds in 2015. He continued intense political activities despite his health, and in 2017 was re-arrested and imprisoned after attempting to seek political asylum in Hungary. A further amputation followed worsening health problems, but attempts to reimprison Mahler continued.

Horst Mahler has committed multiple heresies against what amounts to a new universal religion of ‘Holocaustianity’. By his own account, he is regarded by international Zionism as ‘Amalek’. Obedient prosecutors in the Federal Republic are determined to impose what would surely be a de facto life sentence.

The Real History blog will report later this month on further developments in the Horst Mahler case and the struggle for intellectual freedom in modern Europe.


https://jailingopinions.com/realhistory ... st-mahler/

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Postby phdnm » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:19 am)

Horst Mahler trial suspended on health grounds

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March 18, 2023

The trial of 87-year-old German lawyer, philosopher and revisionist historian Horst Mahler has been suspended on health grounds. Earlier this month at Potsdam District Court, prosecutors had demanded a prison sentence of four years and eight months for the 87-year-old lawyer, philosopher and revisionist historian Horst Mahler.


https://jailingopinions.com/realhistory ... st-mahler/

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Postby exposeWWIIlies » 2 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:28 pm)

It is absolutely disgusting and shameful that a free debate is not allowed and people are persecuted only for speaking out their mind!

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Postby phdnm » 1 day 23 hours ago (Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:55 am)

Holocaust denier Vincent Reynouard has extradition hearing delayed


8th June, 2023

AN extradition hearing for a Holocaust denier wanted by French police and found hiding in Scotland has been postponed again.

Vincent Reynouard was arrested in Anstruther, Fife, in November last year then remanded in custody after crossing the Channel in a bid to evade the French authorities, who have been pursuing him for two years.

The 54-year-old went on the run after he was convicted under anti-Nazi laws and handed a four-month jail sentence in November 2020, then a further six-month spell in January the following year.

Holocaust denial has been a criminal offence in France since 1990 and Reynouard has been convicted numerous times.

A full extradition hearing was supposed to get under way at Edinburgh Sheriff Court earlier this year but lawyer Paul Dunne pushed for this to be postponed to allow videos Reynouard is alleged to have made to be translated into English.

When the case called again at the court on Thursday, Dunne requested a further postponement, insisting certain “legal issues” understood to relate to the two arrest warrants issued by the French authorities had to be debated first.

He said another advocate specialising in extradition, Fred Mackintosh KC, is unable to come to court until the start of July at the earliest, and he asked for the full extradition hearing to be pushed back to later that month.

Sheriff Kenneth Campbell agreed to reschedule the full hearing for July 27, and he set a further preliminary hearing for July 13.

He also called for written submissions pertaining to the case to be handed in a week beforehand.


https://www.thenational.scot/news/23576 ... g-delayed/


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