My Auschwitz Presentation

[Fred zz]

I have decided to try doing a presentation about the Auschwitz camps like I did at Majdanek.
I am by no means finished with it but well on my way.
The Drop box link below is to the section on the Auschwitz swimming pool only.
there is a little reading but plenty of photos to keep you awake.
I am hoping to get some input to refine the contents of what I have done so far from the good folks here on some of my arguments about the pool section only. I will post other sections at a later date here on this thread

Link to Dropbox PDF (Presentation swimming pool): https://www.dropbox.com/home?select=Maj ... +pool.pptx

[Lamprecht]

That link isn't going to work unless logged into your account

[Fred zz]

Thanks
I shall try this one. can someone let me know if it works or not?

Link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mevhj05mk3an5 ... 2.pdf?dl=0

If that does not work try this

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/v0s8gtf8 ... cnkqwtqo41

[Lamprecht]

Yes the links work, but the first one is titled "Majdanek V2"

The second is about the Auschwitz pool. I will check it out tomorrow

[Lamprecht]

I think it is good, a lot of photographs I had never seen before.
As for winter being the most likely season for an out of control fire, I had to think about it for a minute until I realized why: because fires are used for heating. Myself, I live in a rather warm environment (no snow) so it wasn't obvious. It might be nitpicky, but you could give a reason for why they're more likely to happen in the winter.

Also, was there not a swimming champion at Auschwitz that used the pool? Testimonies of pool use would be nice. Also, examples of swimming pools at other camps as well.

Also, I simply do not see why it's not obvious that, in an emergency situation, a swimming pool couldn't also be used as a water reservoir for fires. It wouldn't make sense to create a water reservoir and make it look like a swimming pool, but to have an emergency plan to use the water of a swimming pool to put out fires isn't a big stretch. Why must the default be one or the other, and not both? (I am aware you pointed this out in your conclusion, I am just restating this obvious point).

[Fred zz]

Please disregard my last post, I was trying to edit my original post but ended up reposting my original post.
Thanks for inputs Lamprecht, I already made edits from your suggestions to original

[HeiligeSturm]

Also, was there not a swimming champion at Auschwitz that used the pool? Testimonies of pool use would be nice.

Jewish French swimmer and water polo player Alfred Nakache ("the Auschwitz swimmer") was allowed to use the pool. He was a prisoner.
I don't think the pool was for staff as they had facilities outside the fence. And guards were not allowed to swim while on duty.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14648&p=105608#p105608

Quote from presentation:
"Why would the Germans build a pool for themselves inside the fence where the inmates are?"
Exactly.
Good work Fred!

[Fred zz]

I found this in my search for Auschwitz presentation material. Thought you all may want to know
It seems the Auschwitz Museum has made an update to their sign outside the touristy gas chamber building
the image of new sign is taken from a video done in June 2022.
Before the Auschwitz Museum had the sign labeled wrong and one room that was the Urn Room not labeled at all
I wonder why they did this? Sure wish I could have been a fly on the wall listening
see the before and now photos

[Fred zz]

Currently I am constructing an easy to understand of a better crematory 2 and 3 birkenau redesign in an attempt to body slam the two level 'kill center' that was there. I am still working on the slide showing the actual model at Auschwitz
Hope to get some critique on these two slides. Not looking for a pat on the back, but a kick in the pants if my arguments are not sound.
Be brutal, but be fair. thanks
See attachments

[Prussian blue]

@ Fred zz

Regarding the "Two level linear kill center process proposal":

Maybe I understood something completely wrong, but I think this would't work for technical reasons: If I remember correctly, there incinerators, flues and ducts were in the basement underneath the muffles, so this would require a second, deeper basement level. Besides the involved extra costs, this would have been out of question becausse of the high water level. Here is a drawing of the basement level of Krema II.
https://vho.org/tr/2004/4/CrematoriumII.jpg

Moreover, the same argument also would hold true for the ordinary use as a morgue. If it would have been technically feasible, they would have built the the cremators on the same level as the morgue so there would have been no need for the elevator.

[Fred zz]

Ordinary use as a morgue
I direct you to the layout at Auschwitz Crematory 1, 4 and 5. the morgues and cremators are on the same level. Same goes for Majdanek. When Majdanek first started out, they had just two mobile muffles. all have no basement but underground flues. Flues can be engineered out to run below or above ground, There is no requirement they must run underground. the Germans are not dumb people. The morgue was in the basement to take advantage of a cooler atmosphere indoors
But yes water would be more of an issue if they dug further down to accommodate what they had there in the 1940s. They have slave labor if they did decide to dig deeper. Plenty of diggers with all those trenches they built outside
The money they save on no elevator and no more bottleneck headaches like breakdowns and fewer body handler, fewer mouths to feed would be the payoff.
Also note, I recommended if two level is required, I since rewrote Recommended "Only" if two levels are required. For Birkenau, Ground level only is my recommendation
Thanks for input

[Prussian blue]

Then I don't understand why Crematories II and III were built the way they were built. Even for the ordinary use, the elevator was a bottleneck, too, although the number of corpses wasn't as high as in the exterminationist scenario. The morgue was built as a half basement to keep the temperature low. What was the reason for building the cremators on the ground level?

[Lamprecht]

Then I don't understand why Crematories II and III were built the way they were built. Even for the ordinary use, the elevator was a bottleneck, too, although the number of corpses wasn't as high as in the exterminationist scenario. The morgue was built as a half basement to keep the temperature low. What was the reason for building the cremators on the ground level?

The elevator wouldn't have been a bottleneck, the cremation times would have been.
The mortuary cellar was underground because, as you pointed out, it kept temperatures low. Even today, hospital morgues are often underground (basement level).
Building the crematory ovens entirely underground would have required more work. The recuperator for the ovens also required air inputs and outputs. It's also generally preferable to have a morgue on a different floor when designing a building, so that someone can avoid it entirely just by staying on a specific floor.



Mattogno's book goes into detail about the structure of the furnaces of Krema II & III:

The Cremation Furnaces of Auschwitz (PDF)
https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/24-tcfoa.pdf

[Fred zz]

"The elevator wouldn't have been a bottleneck, the cremation times would have been"

I beg to differ:
If the official narrative (which I do not believe) were true, it would have had to have been used at max capacity continuously and would have been prone to breaking down. If the elevator breaks down, and you have a gas chamber 1/2 full of bodies to be brought upward, you are in a pickle.
I do agree with you that cremation times are also a bottleneck. I also agree it would have been more work in the basement, thus I recommend a ground level facility,, but on the other hand, when you have plenty of grunts to do the work, not a real biggie
For those who have never seen the claimed elevator I attach an image,

[Prussian blue]

"The elevator wouldn't have been a bottleneck, the cremation times would have been"

I beg to differ:
If the official narrative (which I do not believe) were true, ...

Lamprecht's statement, that the elevator wouldn't have been a bottleneck, referred to the ordinary use as a morgue, not to the official narrative.

However, also in the case of the designated use as a morgue, a breakdown of the elevator would have been a huge problem, so the design seems flawed to me. And if I remember correctly, a larger elevator was ordered later for Krema II or III, so although never installed, this indicates that the small one was indeed some kind of bottleneck.