Rommel supposedly planned 'Holocaust' for Middle East

[Hannover]

Just when you think the 'holocau$t' lies can't become anymore absurd, we see laughable assertions like this.
There is simply no evidence for the claims here. The Einsatzgruppen were simply combat teams which followed the main force in mopping up operations. All armies have them.

excerpt:

Six million Jews were killed by the Nazis in Europe. According to their own records, the Einsatzgruppen killed over one million people, most of them civilians.

What records? The claimed mass shooting pits are nowhere to be found, authentic German "records" say nothing of the kind. It appears these 'historians' simply see Einsatzgruppen as being part of the Afrika Korp and a baseless, conditioned response sets in.

A cry-for-help excerpt here:

Regarding the question why this is emerging 61 years after the end of World War Two, Mallmann and Cueppers said they simply unearthed something other historians had not found yet.

We've completely demolished the wild assertions about the Einsatzgruppen at this forum, check it and see.

Read on, comments will follow, I'm sure.

- Hannover

Nazis planned Holocaust for Palestine: historians
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060407/wl_ ... lestine_dc

By Thomas Krumenacker
Apr. 7, 2006

Nazi Germany planned to expand the extermination of Jews beyond the borders of Europe and into British-controlled Palestine during World War Two, two German historians say.

In 1942, the Nazis created a special "Einsatzgruppe," a mobile SS death squad, which was to carry out the mass slaughter of Jews in Palestine similar to the way they operated in eastern Europe, the historians argue in a new study.

The director of the Nazi research center in Ludwigsburg, Klaus-Michael Mallman, and Berlin historian Martin Cueppers say an Einsatzgruppe was all set to go to Palestine and begin killing the roughly half a million Jews that had fled Europe to escape Nazi death camps like Auschwitz and Birkenau.

In the study, published last month, they say "Einsatzgruppe Egypt" was standing by in Athens and was ready to disembark for Palestine in the summer of 1942, attached to the "Afrika Korps" led by the famed desert commander General Erwin Rommel.

The Middle East death squad, similar to those operating throughout eastern Europe during the war, was to be led by SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Walther Rauff, the historians say.

"The central plan for the group was the realization of the Holocaust in Palestine," the authors wrote in their study that appears in a book entitled "Germans, Jews, Genocide: The Holocaust as History and the Present."

But since Germany never conquered British-controlled Palestine, plans for bringing the Holocaust to what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories never came to fruition.

Six million Jews were killed by the Nazis in Europe. According to their own records, the Einsatzgruppen killed over one million people, most of them civilians.

In the battle of El Alamein, Egypt, British General Bernard Montgomery turned the tide of the war in north Africa by routing Rommel's "Afrika Korps" and ending his African campaign.

As they did in eastern Europe, the plan was for the 24 members involved in the death squad to enlist Palestinian collaborators so that the "mass murder would continue under German leadership without interruption."

Fortunately for the Jews in Palestine, "Einsatzgruppe Egypt" never made it out of Greece.

"The history of the Middle East would have been completely different and a Jewish state could never have been established if the Germans and Arabs had joined forces," the historians conclude.

Regarding the question why this is emerging 61 years after the end of World War Two, Mallmann and Cueppers said they simply unearthed something other historians had not found yet.

[Haldan]

So much nonsense, but I will only comment briefly:

"The history of the Middle East would have been completely different and a Jewish state could never have been established if the Germans and Arabs had joined forces," the historians conclude.

The only reason there is a Jewish state in the Middle East is because of the lies of a 'Holocaust', which certainly is not in accord with any facts or happenings, as the Germans did not engage in ruthless, calculated mass murder of any people--but I do know that the Bolsheviks and the ones who wished to 'liberate' Germany, in fact engaged in such actions.

It must be very easy to use reports and even manipulate such reports from the Einsatzgruppen commandos, and make them look like 'criminal commandos'--but the exact opposite is true, all they ever did was to fight gangsters, clear out strongholds of non-uniformed Bolsheviks--so that the advancing Wehrmacht troops aren't attacked by partisan forces, who were known for their underhand tricks.

That is what they did. As for Greece, the only special commando that I know of which went there, was only one, and they went there to save Mussolini's armies from defeat--not to await some fantasy order to head towards Palestine and mass murder or initiate a 'Holocaust'.

-haldan

[Hannover]

... to fight gangsters, clear out strongholds of non-uniformed Bolsheviks--so that the advancing Wehrmacht troops aren't attacked by partisan forces, who were known for their underhand tricks.

We've been through this Einsatzgruppen nonsense many times here, but it needs to be said that those they fought are called 'terrorists/guerillas' today, those non-uniformed combatants were illegal under international law.

There are unsupportable claims that the Einsatzgruppen sought out and killed 1-2,000,000 Jews. Well, Jews were common in those illegal terrorist groups and no doubt some were killed in action and legally executed. There is zero evidence for the claims made in my posted news story and nothing to support the 1-2,000,000 claims, not even a fraction.

Incredibly, all Jewish deaths in WWII are absurdly claimed as 'holocau$t' deaths.

No mass graves as claimed, no Einsatzgruppen murders as claimed.

The same old, same old.

- Hannover

[kk]

Regarding the question why this is emerging 61 years after the end of World War Two, Mallmann and Cueppers said they simply unearthed something other historians had not found yet.

What did they find?

But since Germany never conquered British-controlled Palestine, plans for bringing the Holocaust to what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories never came to fruition.

The only pact that had Palestine as an object of political manipulation
BEFORE this land had been occupied by the powers to be is the "Balfour
declaration". A pityfull letter to "Baron" Rothschild without any commitment
from the english government.
It was just a bloody 'out of record' statement.

Fortunately for the Jews in Palestine, "Einsatzgruppe Egypt" never made it out of Greece.

As a greek, I can vouch for that there was never any such thing like an "Einsatzgruppe" poised to head into Egypt.
This is science fiction, or better, 'holocau$t' bulls$it.
Greek history in the dark years of 1941-42 is rather well documented.
No such thing as an "Einsatzgruppe" was ever been reported.

[Turpitz]

Fortunately for the Jews in Palestine, "Einsatzgruppe Egypt" never made it out of Greece.

The only reason the Germans were in Greece was to bail out Mussolini who had attacked them and started losing. Hitler was planning on countering the massive Bolshevik build-up in the East and had no intention of entering Greece until the Italians faltered.

Hitler had to bail the Italians out in order to cover his southern flank, especially as the British were sending reinforcements to the Greeks which included not only British troops but ANZAC’s as well. The plan of campaign was suddenly expanded when the Yugoslav government was overthrown and a new anti German regime installed.

Regarding the question why this is emerging 61 years after the end of World War Two, Mallmann and Cueppers said they simply unearthed something other historians had not found yet.

A "recently discovered" that no-one is allowed to see!

According to their own records

Good God, what a hideous and blatant lie that is.

In the battle of El Alamein, Egypt, British General Bernard Montgomery turned the tide of the war in north Africa by routing Rommel's "Afrika Korps" and ending his African campaign.

By the time Montgomery arrived in Afrika, Rommel and the Afrikakorp were heavily outgunned with very limited supplies getting through, toward the end they were surviving off a handful of Raisins and miniscule amount of water rations a day. Remember of course the only reason Montgomery was in Afrika was because Rommel had just retired a British general. If Rommel had met Montgomery on an equal footing he would have driven him off the cliffs and into the sea, exactly like he did to the British army at Dunkirk in 1940.

It was not luck either that Hitler being the softy he was gave the famous 'halt' order and let them escape across the channel, when he could have if he wanted, slaughtered the lot of you in one afternoon.


The manner in which this garbage above is written, one can tell within an instant that the same hand is also responsible for other garbage such as the WTC, Saddams's WMD's, Iraq's WMD's and so on and people need to start realizing this and joining the dot's.

The industry is the backbone of it all, and once the industry goes down, it will take the whole shithouse down with it.

[Barrington James]

In view of the fact that the Nazis and Zionists worked very closely together to clear Europe of the Jews: the Zionists wanted to build Israel and the Nazis wanted to free Europe of Jews, and it is also well known that the Zionists worked very closely with Eichmann in doing so, it is highly unlikely the Nazis had any further plans for the Jews once they were removed from Europe.

[ASMarques]

Note this excerpt:

From the article:

The Middle East death squad, similar to those operating throughout eastern Europe during the war, was to be led by SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Walther Rauff, the historians say.

I think it should be seen in connection with this:

From the Wikipedia entry on Rauff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Rauff

According to declassified C.I.A. documents: "as an official of the Criminal Technical Institute of the Reich Security Main Office, Rauff designed gas vans used to poison Jews and persons with disabilities. He later was involved in persecution of Jews in North Africa, and there is a postwar report in the file that he tried to arrange the extermination of Jews in Egypt during late 1942."

Now follow the link to the FAS (Federation of American Scientists) news entry pointing to a "National Archives and Records Administration News Release" of CIA documents dated 2002:

On the CIA release:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2002/05/nara050802.html

The CIA's name file on Walther (Walter) Rauff, one of Nazi Germany's notorious war criminals, contains some new information about Rauff's wartime efforts and detailed, if unconfirmed, reports about his postwar travels and career. As an official of the Criminal Technical Institute of the Reich Security Main Office, Rauff designed gas vans used to poison Jews and persons with disabilities. He later was involved in persecution of Jews in North Africa, and there is a postwar report in the file that he tried to arrange the extermination of Jews in Egypt during late 1942.

But 2002 is hardly news. The article quotes Mallmann and Cueppers as saying "they simply unearthed something," an odd way for scholars to disclose a source of information. I certainly hope their study goes a little further...

The "new study" may be simply a convenient way to recycle some hearsay conjectures from the "postwar report" in the 2002 declassified CIA file. I wonder why such a nice piece of information had to be classified at all. Also just what is meant by a "postwar report"...

Looks like the CIA has been turned into a factory of "Holocaust" news (first the retouched Birkenau photos and now this).

[Reinhard]

Walter Rauff was according to the following source (footnote 47) from June 1942 on in Northern Africa:
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndwagon.html

According to Rauffs testimony given on 28 June 1972 in the German embassy in Santiago de Chile before a German judge, a German public prosecutor and his attorney (he was questioned as a witness in the case against former SS-Gruppenführer Bruno Streckenbach), he was only for a short time with Rommel in North Africa and returned before the battle of El Alamein had begun (i.e. 23 October 1942) to Berlin. There he stayed also only for a short time, because he and “his men” were sent to Tunis:
http://www.ns-archiv.de/einsatzgruppen/gaswagen/rauff/rauff-santiago.php

In none of the above mentioned two sources (his SS-personnel file and his own testimony) is his alleged presence in Athens is mentioned.

Another important point, which is today not widely known, are the tasks of the Einsatzgruppen in the Russian campaign, which had been determined before the beginning of that campaign by the OKH (Oberkommando des Heeres /= Supreme Command of the Army) as follows:

“1. Tasks:
a) In the territories immediately behind the fighting line: Seizure of objects that have been determined before the beginning of operations (materials, archives, files of hostile organisations, associations, groups, etc.) as well as particularly important persons (leading emigrants, saboteurs, terrorists, etc.) [...]
b) In the territories further backwards of the fighting line: searching for and fighting of hostile activities, as far as they are not part of the enemy army, and general information of the commanding officers of the backward territories on the political situation. [...] The Sonderkommandos within the fulfilment of their duties are entitled to undertake in their own responsibility executive measures on the civilian population. [...]”

[1.Aufgaben:
a) Im rückwärtigen Armeegebiet: Sicherstellung vor Beginn von Operationen festgelegter Objekte (Material, Archive, Karteien von reichs- oder staatsfeindlichen Organisationen, Verbänden, Gruppen usw.) sowie besonders wichtiger Einzelpersonen (Führende Emigranten, Saboteure, Terroristen usw.) [...]
b) Im rückwärtigen Heeresgebiet: Erforschung und Bekämpfung der staats- und reichsfeindlichen Bestrebungen, soweit sie nicht der feindlichen Wehrmacht eingegliedert sind, sowie allgemeine Unterrichtung der Befehlshaber der rückwärtigen Heeresgebiete über die politische Lage. [...] Die Sonderkommandos sind berechtigt, im Rahmen ihrer Aufgabe in eigener Verantwortung gegenüber der Zivilbevölkerung Exekutivmaßnahmen zu treffen. [...]”
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen_der_Sicherheitspolizei_und_des_SD

For instance, there was the so called “Vorkommando Moskau” (Sonderkommando 7c) under the command of SS-Standartenführer Prof. Dr. Franz Six, which had the task to follow immediately after the stormtroops, which had to conquer Moscow and seize all the important archives, files and documents of the Sovjet government, the ministries, the Communist Party, the NKVD, the Comintern and all other important organisations and to arrest the leading members of the Communist state and its organisations, the Sovjet Security Police and Security Services, emigrants of the German Communist Party, as far as those people were still in Moscow and had not been able to escape in time.

Since Cairo was an important centre of the British military and civilian administration for Africa and the Middle East, the existence of such a Einsatzgruppe would make some sense, especially if the different Jewish terrorist underground organisations such as the Irgun, which conducted the terrorist bombing attack on the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946, which had been performed by order of David Ben Gurion and Menachem Begin and caused the death of 91 people, the Haganah or the Lehi (Stern Gang), which had assassinated on 6 November 1944 the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo, are taken into consideration.

There is no doubt that these Jewish terrorist underground organisations would have fought the German army and authorities in the same way as they did the British and most probably in a much more brutal way. So, if there really had existed such a Einsatzgruppe or plans to establish one, there must be absolutely nothing criminal about it.

[Reinhard]

On 5 May 2006, there was a report in the magazine "aspekte" on the German television channel ZDF on this terrible Palestine-Einsatzgruppe under the command of Walter Rauff.

This is even more absurd than the story of the Einsatzgruppen in Russia (Germar Rudolf wrote: "Thus it appears a bit ridiculous when H. Höhne states: 'Heydrich's Death envoys started their cruel adventure: 3,000 men were hunting Russia's five million Jews.' " - Source:
http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/3/RudolfSchroeder321-330.html)

According to the TV-report, the "Einsatzgruppe Palästina" had the order "to kill the 500.000 Jews in Palestine".
To carry out this crime, the Einsatzgruppe consisted of 24 (!) men.

Of course, they hoped to get the support of the Arab Palestinians, which were planned to assist in the shootings (just as the Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Letvians and Estonians in the east), we were told in that TV-"report".

[Markion]

Today was also a report about it on the German/Swiss journal "kulturzeit" on the TV station 3Sat. There was also a short interview with one of the "historians". It was almost a 100% quote of Hannovers quote
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060407/wl_ ... lestine_dc

Interesting that the style and tone of the report suggested that the Afrikakorps was to carry out or assist the slaughter and it was also stated that Grand Mufti Iman Al-Huseini had agreed with Hitler personally to assist in this operation.

This irresponsible and crazy statement could be used to justify even more real atrocities to the Muslim people in Palestine. I wonder, when the first israeli politician will say that the Arabs tried to murder all the Jews before Israel merely "reacted". Or did they already say so...?

I am so sick of this.

[Hannover]

This a real hoot, there's no proof for the absurdly alleged 'extermination' of Jews in Europe, so those that profit from doing and saying anything 'holocaust' are making fools of themselves with this Rommel nonsense.

It's an act of sheer desperation, and no doubt the funding was sweet for these charlatans passing themselves off as documentary makers. I can't wait to see the 'proof' of yet another laughable assertion where no evidence exists.

I challenge anyone to submit the actual proof & records that the writers claim. Revisionists will have these men for lunch.

- Hannover

my comments [ ]

'Chivalrous' Rommel wanted to bring Holocaust to Middle East
By Tony Paterson in Berlin
Published: 25 May 2007
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2581254.ece

Erwin Rommel's reputation as one of Nazi Germany's few chivalrous generals has been blackened by a new documentary film which depicts the legendary "Desert Fox" as an unscrupulous commander who spearheaded Hitler's attempts to take the Holocaust to the Middle East.

Rommel, the head of the German Afrika Korps who won fame for his initial successes against the British in North Africa in 1942, was widely respected during and after the Second World War. Churchill once referred to him in parliament as a "great general". [Churchill, for once, said the truth]

Defeated by General Bernard Montgomery's "Desert Rats" at the battle of El Alamein in Egypt the same year, Field Marshal Rommel once claimed that his military campaign against the British was a chivalrous affair and the nearest thing to "war without hate".

However, a new two-part documentary series being broadcast on Germany's ZDF television channel provides evidence that Rommel played a key role in the Nazis' drive to invade Palestine and exterminate the Jews of the Middle East.

The historian Jörg Müllner, who made the film Rommel's War with co-author Jean-Christoph Caron, yesterday dismissed as a "myth" the notion that Rommel fought a clean war in the desert. "With his victories, he was simply preparing the way for the Nazi extermination machine," he added. [notice the lack of proof, just some man who profits from what he asserts]

Müllner and Caron's film relies on the work of recent findings by German historians to explain how in the run up to the Second World War, the Nazis, as part of their long-term aim to export the Holocaust to the Middle East, actively courted Arab nationalists who were determined to drive the Jews from the region.

They reveal how, before embarking on their campaign in the desert, Rommel's Afrika Korps soldiers were schooled with the idea that: "Anyone who fights Jewry can count on the sympathy of the Arab population" and how the greeting "Heil Rommel" became popular in Arab nationalist circles in the Middle East after the general's initial victories.

The documentary shows how, a month after Rommel's defeat of the British at Tobruk in June 1942, the Nazi SS followed Hitler's order to "destroy Jewry in the Arab World" by setting up a special " Sonderkommando" extermination unit to follow in the Afrika Korps' wake.
[Sonnderkommando simply means special command / special unit, could be intelligence gathering or prisoner rescue, etc. .. but it must mean 'extermination' for the bizarre True Believers, still no evidence ... still trying to force fit everything into their preconceived notions]

The unit was headed by Walther Rauff, an SS commander notorious for his role in inventing mobile gas chambers. [see the Rauff fraud debunked here:
'The Soviet Origin of the Gas Van Story'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1558
and:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=288
'co bottles / gas vans'
and:
phoney gas vans / J. McCarthy & 'holocaust' Hist. Proj.
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=73 ]

Rauff and his SS men were empowered to carry out "executive measures on the civilian population" - the Nazi euphemism for mass murder and enslavement. [I see, another 'code word', how convenient, anything can mean whatever the 'Holocaust' Industry wishes ... I think we're starting to see some their 'evidence', words that don't say what we're told they say]

The Nazi attempt to capture the oil fields of the Middle East and exterminate the region's Jewish population were brought to an abrupt halt by the British 8th Army's defeat of Rommel's Afrika Korps at El Alamein in October 1942

Rommel was forced to withdraw the remnants of his army to Tunisia, where it sustained a bridgehead until May 1943, enabling Rauff's SS to conduct a well-organised persecution campaign against the country's Jews.

More than 2,500 Tunisian Jews died in a network of SS slave labour camps before the Germans withdrew. [once again, no proof ... saying so doesn't make it so] Rauff's men also stole silver, jewels and religious artefacts from the Tunisian Jews. Forty-three kilograms of gold were taken from the Jewish community on the island of Djerba alone.

The gold and jewels were taken by the Germans as they withdrew and were later thrown into the sea off Corsica. Divers are still searching for " Rommel's Treasure". [It's always "still searching", what a laugh]

The documentary makers argue that the role Rommel played in supporting the Nazis' plans to export the Holocaust to the Middle East was largely forgotten after the war because of the field marshal's later alleged involvement in the July 1944 plot to assassinate Hitler. The Nazis responded by arresting Rommel and leaving him the choice of facing trial and certain execution or committing suicide. He chose the latter.

Post-war Germany capitalised on the notion of Rommel as a chivalrous Nazi commander. However records show that he ordered his non-white prisoners to be fed less than whites and that he ordered unarmed black prisoners to be needlessly shot during the making of a Nazi propaganda film in 1940. In 1970, the Germany navy named a destroyer after him.
[what film, where is it to view?]

A Nazi career

1891 Born in Heidenheim near Ulm in southern Germany, the son of a headmaster. Trains as a military cadet in Danzig.

1914-1918 Serves as an officer in the First World War and awarded the Iron Cross twice for quick tactical decision-making during fighting in Slovenia.

1940 Heads the German army's 7th Panzer tank division during the Nazi invasion of France. His unit is nicknamed the "Ghost division" because it travels at record speeds.

1941-1943 Commander-in-chief of the Afrika Korps. Defeats the British at Tobruk in June 1942. In October 1942, he is defeated by Montgomery at El Alamein. Churchill describes Rommel as a "a great general".

1944 Commands German forces opposing the Allied invasion of Normandy and is wounded when his staff car is strafed by a Spitfire. Suspected by the Nazis of involvement in plot to assassinate Hitler and given the choice of trial and certain execution or committing suicide. He commits suicide. Because of his popularity, Nazi propaganda claims he died of the wounds he received in Normandy.

[Radar]

The hatred motivated stories never cease. There is utterly no evidence of such plans by the Germans. I recommend "With Rommel in the Desert" [The Noontide Press] by his some time Aide-de-camp, Heinz Werner Schmidt for a good report of the war in North Africa from the German viewpoint. This incredible war of movement was decided when the German forces were deprived of reinforcements and supplies and overwhelmed by superior forces, mostly British, even before the Americans entered which totally ended any hopes of German victory. Rommel was a tough fighting general, not a political figure, who had the respect of every allied commander who opposed him.

Also, the number of Jews in Palestine at that time was miniscule as the British were enforcing a limitation on Jewish entry. The whole thing is stupid propaganda.

[Reinhard]

'Chivalrous' Rommel wanted to bring Holocaust to Middle East
By Tony Paterson in Berlin
Published: 25 May 2007
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2581254.ece

[...]
However, a new two-part documentary series being broadcast on Germany's ZDF television channel provides evidence that Rommel played a key role in the Nazis' drive to invade Palestine and exterminate the Jews of the Middle East.

The documentary series can be downloaded here:

Part 1:
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/inhalt/1/0,4070,5384257-6-wm_dsl,00.html

Part 2:
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/inhalt/2/0,4070,5384258-6-wm_dsl,00.html

[jnovitz]

It does beg the question, though, what was Germany's plan to deal with the Jews in Palestine?

They had been courting arab opinion extensively that its difficult to see they were just going to let all those recently migrated Jews just stay there.

[Hannover]

It does beg the question, though, what was Germany's plan to deal with the Jews in Palestine?

They had been courting arab opinion extensively that its difficult to see they were just going to let all those recently migrated Jews just stay there.

Given that there was never an extermination policy by the Germans against the Jews, the question is what the indigenous population would have done with those Jews.

Had the judeo-supremacists not come in and proceeded to ethnically cleanse the region of Palestinians, my guess is that we would have secular state instead of the violent racist apartheid state we now know as "that shitty little country" of 'Israel'.

The 'courting of Arab opinion' was all about gaining allies in the German war effort. Pretty basic stuff, actually.

- Hannover