Comparing the stories of Amon Göth and Karl Otto Koch

[Friens2020]

I just made an interesting find reading the wikipedia articles of these two:

Apparantly Amon Göth is said to have killed up to 500 prisoners. Mieczysław Pemper says that Göth randomly killed people almost every day.
We all know the stories of him allegedly randomly shooting Jews from his balcony in his villa in the Plaszow KZ.
Yet Göth was never sentenced for it. Nothing.

So far so good.
What makes this story really weird is if you also look at the story of someone else: Karl Otto Koch.
Koch did very similar things as Göth allegedly did in Plaszow. Koch killed 3 people, ordered SS soldiers to kill more and stole Jewish goods (just as Göth did as well). The difference is that Koch was sentenced to death by the Nazi government for these things.

So... How the hell did Göth get away killing hundreds of people in the daylight on the camps ground for literally everyone to see (resulting in endless amounts of eye-witnesses from both prisoners and soldiers) while Karl Otto Koch was sentenced to death for killing 3 people and stealing Jewish goods (just as Göth did as well)?
Both were in same positions and committed the same crimes, only that ironically Göth even commited them in way bigger dimensions. So treating them differently would not make any sense. If at all Göth would have been the one who wouldve deserved to be treated worse, not Koch.

Did anyone notice this before?

[cold beer]

Good observation.
Couple that with the fact that there was no balcony overlooking the camp.

[Dresden]

Good observation.
Couple that with the fact that there was no balcony overlooking the camp.

That's right, but there WAS a camp overlooking the balcony.

What Göth should have done was to take his rifle to the camp and order some inmates to go stand on his balcony.....then he could have stood on the edge of the hill and shot them.

[Gordon Bennett]

Are the air photos available anywhere?

[Moderator]

Are the air photos available anywhere?

try:
https://archive.org/details/AirPhotoEvidenceAuschwitz
M1

[DissentingOpinions]

Those versions are pretty old & outdated. Here is the latest edition of John C. Ball's "Air Photo Evidence", complete with newly updated information & all air photos from all camps

[Gordon Bennett]

Unfortunately there's no pictures of Amon Goth's camp in Kraków-Płaszów. All there seems to be is a drawing of where Goth's villa was situated -- something which isn't really worth that much on its own.

[Breker]

Unfortunately there's no pictures of Amon Goth's camp in Kraków-Płaszów. All there seems to be is a drawing of where Goth's villa was situated -- something which isn't really worth that much on its own.

Mr. Bennett:
Do you believe that Amon Göth was guilty of what is alleged in the Wikipedia article referenced in the OP?
If so, why?
Thank you, B.

[Hektor]

Unfortunately there's no pictures of Amon Goth's camp in Kraków-Płaszów. All there seems to be is a drawing of where Goth's villa was situated -- something which isn't really worth that much on its own.

What would you gain then from an air photo? The perspective would be from above and probably not clear to see the elevation of the object to be seen (Sure there can be exceptions to this depending on angle from which photo is taken).

Perhaps you should try to use google maps. There is a function for elevation.

[Revision]

I wasn't able to upload pictures to this forum for some reason. (It only shows "HTTP error")

So I uploaded some pictures regarding this subject to here instead: https://revisionbc.blogspot.com/2020/09 ... house.html

[Gordon Bennett]

I wasn't able to upload pictures to this forum for some reason. (It only shows "HTTP error")

So I uploaded some pictures regarding this subject to here instead: https://revisionbc.blogspot.com/2020/09 ... house.html

Wow, you put a lot of work into that. Amazing thanks. Looking at the pictures do you think Goth's balcony overlooked the camp?

[Gordon Bennett]

Unfortunately there's no pictures of Amon Goth's camp in Kraków-Płaszów. All there seems to be is a drawing of where Goth's villa was situated -- something which isn't really worth that much on its own.

Mr. Bennett:
Do you believe that Amon Göth was guilty of what is alleged in the Wikipedia article referenced in the OP?
If so, why?
Thank you, B.

No, I don't but that isn't the point. If I debate anyone on the subject I need to be able to back up my argument and if I could just find a photo that showed his villa wasn't overlooking the camp, that would be the easiest way of going about it. Far too many people think Schindler's List the movie shows the reality of what life was like in the camps and I find that frustrating to say the least.

[Gordon Bennett]

Unfortunately there's no pictures of Amon Goth's camp in Kraków-Płaszów. All there seems to be is a drawing of where Goth's villa was situated -- something which isn't really worth that much on its own.

What would you gain then from an air photo? The perspective would be from above and probably not clear to see the elevation of the object to be seen (Sure there can be exceptions to this depending on angle from which photo is taken).

Perhaps you should try to use google maps. There is a function for elevation.

Yes, I did consider that but I wasn't sure if that was the case with all aerial photos. I thought there might be some that make it clear regarding elevation. Now that I've considered it, I see I could be wrong.

[Revision]

I wasn't able to upload pictures to this forum for some reason. (It only shows "HTTP error")

So I uploaded some pictures regarding this subject to here instead: https://revisionbc.blogspot.com/2020/09 ... house.html

Wow, you put a lot of work into that. Amazing thanks. Looking at the pictures do you think Goth's balcony overlooked the camp?

I'm not sure if there was vegetation for example obscuring his view, but he could at most see only the corner of the camp. Shooting camps inmates from the real place would have been definitely a lot harder thing than what the movie depicts.

[Breker]

Unfortunately there's no pictures of Amon Goth's camp in Kraków-Płaszów. All there seems to be is a drawing of where Goth's villa was situated -- something which isn't really worth that much on its own.

Mr. Bennett:
Do you believe that Amon Göth was guilty of what is alleged in the Wikipedia article referenced in the OP?
If so, why?
Thank you, B.

No, I don't but that isn't the point. If I debate anyone on the subject I need to be able to back up my argument and if I could just find a photo that showed his villa wasn't overlooking the camp, that would be the easiest way of going about it. Far too many people think Schindler's List the movie shows the reality of what life was like in the camps and I find that frustrating to say the least.

But that is the point. If anyone claims that Amon Goth killed people from a vantage point that overlooked a camp or not, they would necessarily need to have support for the claim that he was a murderer.
So, do you believe that Amon Goth murdered anyone? Regardless of what the always shady Wikipedia claims.
If so, please present the proof..

I pursue this since I see you have implied other crimes for which you have not presented proof.
Like your thread OP:
What was the Wehrmacht guilty of?
As if they were in fact "guilty".
Here it is:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12027
B.