Builders Find Auschwitz Message in a bottle

[simon1003]

Builders working near the site of the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp have found a message in a bottle written by prisoners, museum officials say.

The message, written in pencil and dated 9 September 1944, bears names, camp numbers and home towns of seven young inmates from Poland and France.

At least two survived the Nazi camp, an Auschwitz museum official said.
The bottle was buried in a concrete wall in a school that prisoners had been compelled to reinforce.

The school's buildings, a few hundred metres from the camp, were used as warehouses by the Nazis, who wanted them protected against air raids.
Museum experts have checked the authenticity of the note, the Associated Press news agency reported.

Six of the prisoners were from Poland and one was from France, AP said.
"All of them are between the ages of 18 and 20," the final sentence of the note reads.

An Auschwitz museum spokesman said the authors of the note "were young people who were trying to leave some trace of their existence behind them".

The Nazis murdered some 1.1 million people at Auschwitz - mainly European Jews, but also non-Jewish Poles, Roma (Gypsies) and others.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8021845.stm

Those brutally efficient Nazis slipped up again and let at least two out of seven inmates escape and live to tell their tale!

Also, notice how the BBC has started to use the 1.1 million figure a bit more? the Six million seems to have been quietly dropped.

[Inquisitive]

I think I have few questions for this important breakthrough.

Museum experts have checked the authenticity of the note, the Associated Press news agency reported.

They didn't say it WAS authentic only that it was checked by the museum. The same museum that supports the lie.

The message, written in pencil and dated 9 September 1944

So they learned from Anne Frank and now tell you before hand it's written in pencil?

"were young people who were trying to leave some trace of their existence behind them".

Didn't they all have numbers and not know anyone was getting gassed?
What would they have thought the numbers on their "person" were used for then, if not for identification?

[Erwachtist]

According to this report they said the note was verified as authentic; it would be interesting to see if they release the numbers of the prisoners - - the numbers are always embarrassingly low.......


Workmen Find Hidden Auschwitz Letter

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Workmen find hidden Auschwitz letter
Note contains names of 7 prisoners who likely thought they were doomed


WARSAW, Poland - The note, written in pencil then rolled up and inserted in a bottle, contains the names of seven young people who probably thought they were doomed to die in the notorious Auschwitz death camp.

A construction crew renovating a cellar near the Auschwitz site discovered the bottle hidden in a concrete wall, officials said Monday.

Dated Sept. 9, 1944, the note bears the names, camp numbers and hometowns of the seven prisoners — six from Poland and one from France.

"All of them are between the ages of 18 and 20," the final sentence reads.

"They were young people who were trying to leave some trace of their existence behind them," said Auschwitz museum spokesman Jaroslaw Mensfelt. He said two of the prisoners survived the camp but he did not have further details.

Workmen were tearing out a wall in the basement of a college building in the town of Oswiecim — which was called Auschwitz by the Nazis during World War II — on April 20 when they discovered the bottle, college spokeswoman Monika Bartosz said.

She said the note appeared to have been written on a scrap from a cement bag.

The school's three buildings, which are a few hundred meters (yards) from the camp, were used as warehouses during the war by Hitler's SS troops. The prisoners were compelled to reinforce the cellar with concrete so it could serve as an air-raid shelter.

Museum experts have verified the authenticity of the note, which will be handed over to the museum in early May.

The Nazis set up the Auschwitz camp in 1940 in occupied Poland. At least 1.1 million people, mostly Jews — but also non-Jewish Poles, Gypsies and others — died in Auschwitz-Birkenau's gas chambers, or from starvation, disease and forced labor, before Soviet troops liberated the camp on Jan. 27, 1945.

[Älghuvud]

It always disturbs me that the name "Auschwitz" is said to have been invented by the Nazis. That name had already existed for ages because until the end of WWI this part of Poland belonged to Austria and had many ethnic German inhabitants.

[Lupa]

Hello

Here we have a photo of the message :



Someone familiar with the polish language can translate the document?

The date I see is 20.IX.44 , not 9th of september.

Regards

[KostasL]

Hello

Here we have a photo of the message :



Someone familiar with the polish language can translate the document?

The date I see is 20.IX.44 , not 9th of september.

Regards

Last months of Auschwitz still operational and largest internee numbers we see are about 160,000.

What does this mean ?

[Kiwichap]

Message in a bottle... Message in a bottle... da doo de doo. So what? Sounds like Hollywood dramatics to me. Shades of Gilligan's Island. If I was a young man 16, 17, 18, in a concentration camp; I'd probably get together with my mates and do something like that. Why not?

What is the meaning?

The meaning we are supposed to get is, nothing more than the propaganda tale we all love and cherish; 'there was a holocaust...'; Yet we all know that's bunk!

Message in a bottle, .. that's stretching it.. ya just gotta laugh.

[Turpitz]

Sounds like Hollywood dramatics to me.

Sob stories for the masses, brought to you every week by the journaille.

Anyone who works on old buildings knows you find this sort of stuff all the time. Hand marks in once wet mortar, names and writing on bricks, under slates etc....Big deal!

[Lupa]

Last months of Auschwitz still operational and largest internee numbers we see are about 160,000.

What does this mean ?

Is there any possibility to correlate with documents the registry numbers with an approximate date for the entry at Auschwitz?

Don´t know , death books or similars?

It sounds that these guys are veterans of the camp and all between 18 and 20 years old.

[KostasL]

Is there any possibility to correlate with documents the registry numbers with an approximate date for the entry at Auschwitz?

Don´t know , death books or similars?

Well, i guess that it's an old habit of them not to approach any holocaust story in a scientific way and back their stories with real documents and doublecheck or triplecheck their info.

[joachim neander]

Lupa asked:
/quote/
Is there any possibility to correlate with documents the registry numbers with an approximate date for the entry at Auschwitz?
/end quote/

It is. But let me first give a translation of the first lines:
Concentration Camp Auschwitz, September 20, 1944
Air raid shelter for the crew of the "Truppenwirtschaftslager" (SS Unit Quartermaster). The [following] prisoners built it:
(Follow 7 names.)
The first 6 belong to non-Jewish Poles, the last to a French Jew. I'll give now the dates of their intake at the camp and the places from which they were deported to Auschwitz:
#121313: May 11, 1943, from Poznan
#130208: July 17, 1943, from Lodz
#131491: July 29, 1943, from Radom
#145666: September 3, 1943, from Poznan
#151090: September 17, 1943, from Lodz
#157582: October 16, 1943, from ???
#A12063: June 2, 1944, with 75th transport from Drancy/France.
The last line reads that all are between 18 and 20 years old.

In principle, it is nothing new. You will find similar messages at the walls of every prison, especially if the prisoners must fear that they will not live until (possible) release.

[Arsènelupin]

According to the AFP (10/O5/09), the french Jew survived. Albert Veissid was arrested in july 1943, sent to Drancy, then to Auschwitz in may. He remembers the masonry lessons which were given in the bloc number 7 by french Jews. He didn't know, before the discovery of the bottle, that his name was written on this paper.

[StuDewan]

#121313: May 11, 1943, from Poznan
#130208: July 17, 1943, from Lodz
#131491: July 29, 1943, from Radom
#145666: September 3, 1943, from Poznan
#151090: September 17, 1943, from Lodz
#157582: October 16, 1943, from ???

what I see here is that from May 11th to October 16th, roughly 5 months, there was a number increase of 36269 or about 7250 per month...

is there a way to compare these numbers against the train manifests from the same period?

this doesn't match the official story of "a train every 4 hours with thousands of prisoners"...

[jheitwler]

I don't know anybody who has worked on a construction crew (here in the United States that is) that hasn't left some sort of trace of themselves behind if possible. Guys on their lunch break decide on a lark to write their names or some sort of message on a piece of paper and stick it in a bottle before closing up the walls or scrawling graffiti on the inside of the wall or on a slab of cement before it dries, etc seems to be pretty common practice. I guess this means that this sort of behavior is universal across both place and time. It also means that this particular crew didn't have an asshole foreman which is the one thing that would prevent the worker bees from having a little fun.

I wonder why these guys didn't give us even a hint of the the horrific conditions they were forced to endure as part of the Nazi's extermination through work program?

Are there any pictures of the bottle? That would be interesting to me.

[joachim neander]

StuDewan asked:
/quote/
s there a way to compare these numbers against the train manifests from the same period?

this doesn't match the official story of "a train every 4 hours with thousands of prisoners"...
/end quote/

Well, first there isn't an "official story" as quoted. Maybe you think of the Ungarnaktion in May/June 1944, but it was exceptional. No serious scholar, Revisionist or not, would generalize that case.

Second, only a fraction of those who arrived at Auschwitz were taken in as prisoners and obtained numbers. The majority went to some other place: according to mainstream history, to the gas chamber, according to Revisionists, to some hitherto unidentified place. But this point has been discussed ad nauseam, on CODOH and otherwise.