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NEWS! magazine & Wiesenthal Ctr. caught faking 'gas vans'!

Postby Hannover » 9 years 1 month ago (Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:13 pm)

Another blockbuster from CODOH. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

http://codoh.com/library/document/3276
Gas Van Film and Photo Fraud
German News Magazine and Simon Wiesenthal Center's Museum Caught Faking Photo and Film Captions
By Santiago Alvarez

2014-4-25
I've posted just the basic text below, and very important!! ... see given link for images, video, and much more.

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who debunk it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent racist Jewish supremacists demand that there be no open debate.
The tide is turning.

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http://codoh.com/library/document/3276

In at least five issues of the German news magazine Der Spiegel a photo was reproduced alongside articles which dealt with trials involving alleged murders in so-called "gas vans," which were supposedly committed during the Second World War by German units in Serbia, Poland and in German-occupied parts of the Soviet Union. The photos depict the rear view of a truck with a huge red cross sign painted on the rear door. See the reproductions in the illustrations to the right. No source has been given for this photo, which caused revisionist authors in the past to doubt the authenticity of this image.[1]

In a recent video, Jewish-American revisionist David Cole revealed that the Simon Wiesenthal Center's "Museum of Tolerance" in Los Angeles used to show an allegedly authentic documentary film depicting the gassing of several children in a "Nazi gas van." David Cole found out that the scene shown by the museum had been taken from the 1961 Polish fiction movie "Ambulans" directed by Polish-Jewish filmmaker Janusz Morgenstern.[2] David Cole managed to have the Simon Wiesenthal Center remove this fake "documentary" by instigating Janusz Morgenstern to confront the Center for this obvious copyright violation.

Watch Cole's video where he explains how he managed to stop this fraud, and then watch his juxtaposition of the Wiesenthal fraud with the Polish movie.

Cole's version of the Polish movie is rather mediocre. A better version can be watched here on YouTube. If you move the video to 8 min 48 seconds, you'll see exactly the picture used by Der Spiegel to illustrate its various articles, see below. The van's number plate can be seen at 8 min 43 seconds: "SS 132661," just like in the Spiegel illustrations.

Case closed.
Janusz Morgenstern, 'Ambulans', 1961, 8 min 48 seconds

Scene from Janusz Morgenstern's 1961 fiction movie "Ambulans", 8 min 48 seconds into the movie – the source of the image used by "Der Spiegel" to illustrate its articles on gas van murder trials in West Germany in the 1960s. Click to watch the movie at YouTube. The inset in a white frame shows the van's number plate as shown in the movie at 8 min 43 seconds.
Sources
[1] Pierre Marais, Les camions à gas en question, Polemique, Paris 1994; Santiago Alvarez, The Gas Vans, The Barnes Review, Washington DC, 2011, pp. 35, 279; Klaus Schwensen, "The Three Photographs of an Alleged Gas Van," Inconvenient History, 5(1) (2013)
[2] http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulans_(film_1961); http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172112/
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Re: NEWS! magazine & Wiesenthal Ctr. caught faking 'gas vans

Postby Kingfisher » 9 years 1 month ago (Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:38 pm)

I saw this a little earlier today as Paul Eisen was running it on his blog. Here is Cole's video embedded:



here is the phoney gas van footage:



and here's the Polish film:



[one typo correction]

[edited a second time to insert the phoney gas van video]
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Re: NEWS! magazine & Wiesenthal Ctr. caught faking 'gas vans

Postby Creox » 9 years 1 month ago (Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:31 pm)

Amazing that they would attempt something like this again...thinking about the fake smokestack etc.

In this day and age it is relatively very simple to find out the truth of such fraud and thus it was.

Nice job and thanks for bringing it to us.

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Postby cold beer » 9 years 1 month ago (Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:33 pm)

Wait a minute, where is the footage Cole said he took in the museum?

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Postby Moderator » 9 years 1 month ago (Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:16 pm)

cold beer wrote:Wait a minute, where is the footage Cole said he took in the museum?

See the link that was given:
http://codoh.com/library/document/3279
Then see blue text following footnote 2.
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Postby hermod » 9 years 1 month ago (Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:49 pm)

Not only the Wiesenthal Center. Simon Wiesenthal himself used the Ambulans picture.

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http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photo ... 59098.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 16216.html
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Postby cold beer » 9 years 1 month ago (Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:50 pm)

Thanks, sometimes i need help

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Re: NEWS! magazine & Wiesenthal Ctr. caught faking 'gas vans

Postby Kingfisher » 9 years 1 month ago (Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:41 am)

cold beer wrote:Wait a minute, where is the footage Cole said he took in the museum?


Thanks coldbeer. I've edited the post to insert it.

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Postby HeiligeSturm » 9 years 1 month ago (Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:46 am)

Nice find!

b_brit17.jpg

This picture was also used as "evidence" in some site. (Cannot remember anymore which. Maybe I should have remembrance week.)
It's still from polish movie Pasazerka.
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Postby hermod » 9 years 1 month ago (Mon May 05, 2014 8:38 am)

Reminded me this:

Steven Spielberg's trick of making it (Schindler's List) in black and white ("to provide documentary footage for the future", as the chief camera director of Schindler's List disingenuously told his trade journal Der Kameramann)

http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Irving/RadDi/2005/010205.html
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because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
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Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Postby Hektor » 5 years 3 months ago (Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:51 pm)

cold beer wrote:Wait a minute, where is the footage Cole said he took in the museum?

Second Youtube video under Kingfisher's post.

This seems to be the original footage as produced by Janusz Morgenstern:

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Postby hermod » 1 month 6 days ago (Thu May 04, 2023 7:35 am)

"[Austen Chamberlain] has done western civilization a great service by refuting at least one of the slanders against the Germans
because a civilization which leaves war lies unchallenged in an atmosphere of hatred and does not produce courage in its leaders to refute them
is doomed.
"

Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on the public admission by Britain's Foreign Secretary that the WWI corpse-factory story was false, December 4, 1925

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Postby Hektor » 1 month 6 days ago (Thu May 04, 2023 9:19 am)

hermod wrote:Additional material on this topic...
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Ambulans by Janusz Morgenstern

(Timecode: around 8:45)

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That kind of movie has probably instilled Holocaustian belief into more people than the official atrocity propaganda movies. Simply because it is a drama with a story and it's even in Black and White. Lots of the information is implicit and the member of the audience then draws a conclusion. Since he or she think that's their own conclusion they will defend this more eagerly than if they just were told that they had to believe this. Simply because they think they figured this out via their own cleverness and superior intelligence. That's why Holocaust Belief is usually a mixture of folly, arrogance and false morality. Those confronted with 'Holocaust Denial' often switch to an 'ego-defensive' mode and stop being reachable for rational arguments from empirically verifiable facts. Since it appears that all 'serious scientists' are on their side, they grow more arrogant. Thinking that they are defending innocent victims against fiendish Nazis that dare to insult the memory of those that suffered (essentially martyrs). If you reminds you a bit of Catholicism that's because it is using the same propaganda techniques to 'instill the faith'. Not in Catholicism, but rather into Catholocism. A global cult that has the Holocaust as the foundational myth of their (post-modern) religion.

This Wiesenthal character is another scoundrel to look into more deeply. There were rumors that he was essentially a 'Gestapo Spy'.... And that he ratted on other Jews. They were for sure not very pleased with this. So after WW2 he reversed roles and turned Nazi Hunter. That's at least a good Working Hypothesis.
Shortly after Bruno Kreisky was inaugurated as Austrian chancellor in April 1970, Wiesenthal pointed out to the press that four of his new cabinet appointees had been members of the Nazi Party. In an address in June, Kreisky's Minister of Education and Culture Leopold Gratz characterised Wiesenthal's Documentation Centre of the Association of Jewish Victims of the Nazi Regime as a private spy ring, invading the privacy of innocent parties. In an interview a week later, Kreisky himself described Wiesenthal as a "Jewish fascist", a remark he later denied making. Wiesenthal discovered that he would be unable to sue, because under Austrian law Kreisky was protected by parliamentary immunity.[96][97]

When his re-election in 1975 seemed unsure, Kreisky proposed that his Social Democratic Party should form a coalition with the Freedom Party, headed by Friedrich Peter. Wiesenthal had documents proving that Peter had been a member of the 1 SS Infantry Brigade, a unit that had exterminated over 13,000 Jewish civilians in Ukraine in 1941–42. He decided not to reveal this information to the press until after the election, but forwarded his dossier to President Rudolf Kirchschläger. Peter denied having participated in, or having knowledge of, any atrocities. In the end, Kreisky's party won a clear majority and did not form the coalition.[98]

In a press conference a short time after the election and Wiesenthal's revelations, Kreisky said Wiesenthal used "the methods of a quasi-political Mafia."[99] Wiesenthal filed a libel lawsuit (although Kreisky had the power to declare immunity if he so chose), and when Kreisky later accused Wiesenthal of being an agent of the Gestapo, working with the Judenrat in Lvov, these accusations were incorporated into the lawsuit as well.[100] The suit was decided in Wiesenthal's favour in 1989, but after Kreisky's death nine months later his heirs refused to pay. When the relevant archives were later opened for research, no evidence was found that Wiesenthal had been a collaborator.


Wiesenthal disputed collaboration (for obvious reasons) and apparently "No evidence" was found. The 'collaboration' argument would not be limited to the 'Judenrat'. It's more likely to what he did in the large number of camps he was a prisoner in.

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Re: NEWS! magazine & Wiesenthal Ctr. caught faking 'gas vans'!

Postby borjastick » 1 month 6 days ago (Thu May 04, 2023 10:44 am)

In one of your clips above the text says a man and his charges were killed at Treblinka.

I ask one question; How would they know that?
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Postby slob » 1 month 6 days ago (Thu May 04, 2023 4:48 pm)

Just came across this bit of nonsense, more propaganda, instilling it into our minds(subliminal programming)?

From 1948, a still from the movie The Search
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https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-430340676/vi ... 2/mode/1up

The clip with them running away.


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