Proskurov mass grave

[Vallon]

'Even if wrong, it is better than nothing.'? Seems that if something is wrong it is worse than nothing? At least nothing is nothing but wrong is wrong?

It is better to know a false attribution than to know nothing att all. Even if this was not Proskurov 1942, it should be a good handle to search for more information about this photograph.

And just out of curiosity - what is the revisionist position on earlier pogroms, like for example the one in 1919?

"FIRST PROSKUROV POGROM VICTIMS, 1919."
http://www.west.net/~jazz/felshtin/gallery/
http://www.west.net/~jazz/felshtin/issu ... kurov.html

[Hannover]

Not to change the subject, but as I stated earlier, the fake under discussion reminds me of this classic faked 'photo':



debunked here:



- Hannover

[Hannover]

Vallon asks:

And just out of curiosity - what is the revisionist position on earlier pogroms, like for example the one in 1919?

There is nothing to show that this represents 'victims of a pogrom' or that it's from 1919, just people gathered around corpses.
It could just as well be 'Victims of Bolshevik Communists, 1919.'

And why does Vallon like to post links to other information when he posts? The image by itself will do.

- Hannover

[Haldan]

And just out of curiosity - what is the revisionist position on earlier pogroms, like for example the one in 1919?

I don't understand the relevance of the question. What is your position on the countless vicious crimes committed by the Bolsheviks, Soviets and their underlings, on people who were absolutely innocent of anything other than being German? What's your position on that?
I can post all sorts of awful forensic findings of crimes committed by the hordes of Bolsheviks who flooded Europe, real crimes which does not matter one bit, just because the victims were German. A photograph of a pregnant woman who was mutilated and subsecuently delivered a infant because of the horrible pain endured. She was only a German, if she had been a Jew we would have seen it endlessly in our history books.
As it is, those crimes are nothing. All that matters are for the most part fictional "crimes" which has no basis in reality [see the pictures posted by yourself, for instance] and the impossible 'gas chambers' which has been shown to be lies & fabrications aswell.

Hi Ho Cherry-O.

-haldan

[PLAYWRIGHT]

And just out of curiosity - what is the revisionist position on earlier pogroms, like for example the one in 1919?

I don't understand the relevance of the question.

-haldan

I think I do. I had no idea that there had been claims of a previous massacre of Jews in Proskurov. Along with two striking similarities, a convergence of numbers, and a lurid pictographic history.

You guys know how in 1919 there were the newspaper articles in the West stating that 6,000,000 Jews in Europe were facing a "holocaust" and needed immediate help? There's even a revisionist book on that subject.

Here in Proskurov, they're claiming that, also in 1919, 1600 Jews were massacred in an anti-semitic pogram. The claim of the World War Two account is that 1700 Jews were massacred in an Einstazgruppen Aktion.

Two different numbers converge - 1600/1700 and 1919. I work on stage a lot, and the rule is - if it plays, run with it. In this case, the story of a massacre in Proskurov found an audience in 1919, so why not again in 1942? Worth a try, that's for sure.

I'm going to study Vallon's material, which is brand new to me. The fact that Vallon's material is linked to a Zionist organization I never heard of before that operated in the depths of the Ukraine in 1919 (A period of the most violent possible civil war) suggests many interesting questions.

Vallon, is there info on the town of Proskurov itself? Population, industry, ethnic makeup, local economy, etc? If it was picked out twice as the setting for a "massacre", I'm sure there is a reason why. After all, according to the 1919 story, most of the Jewish population was killed. How is it that they were restored in time for the Einstatzgruppen to "repeat history"?

Also, from about 1919-1923, the Ukraine was to some degree an independent country, something Stalin moved to destroy with his manmade famine. How did a Jewish community manage to re-establish itself under those conditions? Settled in from Russia?

Be patient. The relevance of the 1919 "massacre" to the 1942 "massacre" will reveal itself with a little research. In particular, I'm wondering if some of the same names might be found.

Two different "massacres" with just about the same death toll, in the same location, under remarkably similar circumstances sounds like more than a coincidence.

[TMoran]

Moran commented on a quote by Vallon:

'Even if wrong, it is better than nothing.'? Seems that if something is wrong it is worse than nothing? At least nothing is nothing but wrong is wrong?

Vallon just repeats himself:

It is better to know a false attribution than to know nothing att all. Even if this was not Proskurov 1942, it should be a good handle to search for more information about this photograph.

Good idea. Start searching.

Vallon slides to a tangent:

And just out of curiosity - what is the revisionist position on earlier pogroms, like for example the one in 1919?

Personally I don't know anything about any early pograms excepting a news article written at the time by a Governor of New York about such things where he says some 6,000,000 Jews were mass exterminated during WW I. And then there was supposed to have been one against Armenians by the Turks, which is open to, seemingly, acceptable debate, since some of it has been reported in major newspapers without the whining and sniveling we see about Holocaust deniers.

I'm noticing Vallon, you have the penchant to go into something else after you make an attempt at responding to the topic at hand.

We're still stuck with your, 'Even if wrong, it is better than nothing.'