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Academic Credentials and Holocaust Historiography, the surprising reality

Postby Archie » 2 years 7 months ago (Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:34 pm)

The general perception is that those with elite academic credentials strongly support the Holocaust and this may be a sticking point that prevents some people from embracing revisionism. There's been some discussion on this point in a few threads. "If you the revisionists are right, why aren't there any experts who take this position?" The usual revisionist response is that this is because academics aren't really free to take a heterodox view on the matter without jeopardizing their careers and personal safety and nowadays only very politically correct people are likely to get positions to begin with. But another way to look at the matter is to reconsider the question with the focus on the first few decades after the war rather than on academia today. I'm basing this mostly on Arthur Butz's section in his book on credentials and Ron Unz's Holocaust denial article, plus some of my own supplemental googling.

Early Holocaust Historiography

Leon Poliakov, Bréviaire de la haine: Le IIIe Reich et les Juifs (1951)
Published in 1951 by Calmann-Lévy (a popular French publisher)
Had difficulty getting it published. French-Jewish Philosopher Raymond Aron convinced Calmann-Lévy to publish it.
Wikipedia says it was “little noted at the time.”
English translation appeared only in 1956. English Title: “Harvest of Hate, the Third Reich and the Jews”
Co-founder of Le Centre de documentation juive contemporaine (CDJC) in 1943
He was a Jewish activist, he held no academic position, and he wrote almost exclusively on Jews and anti-Semitism

Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution (1953)
Published in 1953 by Vallentine-Mitchell, a publisher specializing in Jewish-related topics
The first full history on the topic in English.
Studied art at the Slade and the Westminster School of Art in London

Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of European Jews (1961)
Published in 1961 by Quadrangle Books, a small publisher
“...no major publishing house expressed interest in his groundbreaking study, and he only managed to find any publisher due to a private benefactor who agreed to defray indirectly some of the costs.”
Worked with War Documentation Project, worked extensively with Nuremberg documents
PhD in public law and government from Columbia.
Professor at the University of Vermont in the Political Science department
-His advisor Franz Neumann discouraged him from the topic, “this will be your funeral.”

Nora Levin, The Holocaust: The Destruction of European Jewry, 1933-1945 (1968)
Published in 1968 by T.Y. Crowell Company, a popular American press
M.L.S degree (Library Science) from Drexel
Professor of History at Gratz College in Philadelphia, a small Jewish school
-Reitlinger gave it a very negative review in the NYT. He accuses her of plagiarizing other books without adequate citations. Even more favorable reviews concede that it adds little in terms of scholarship and is merely a recapitulation of previously published work. Levin is pretty clearly a lightweight.

Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945 (1975)
-Published in 1975 by Holt, Rinehart and Winston, a popular American press
-Started a Columbia Master’s program in literature but did not finish. Later enrolled in a Columbia Master’s program in Jewish history but did not finish.
-Researcher for the American Jewish Committee, 1946-1969
-Associate Professor at Yeshiva University, a Jewish school, eventually became a full professor and held a chair in interdisciplinary Holocaust studies.
-Received grants from Gustave Wurzweiler Foundation and the Guggenheim Foundation
-Mixed reception of the book. It “received many enthusiastic reviews from newspaper critics but in numerous instances professional historians were less positive in their assessment of her work.”
-Hilberg was dismissive of her, saying she was relying "largely on secondary sources and conveying nothing whatever that could be called new,"
-Albert Lindemann criticized her quite strongly for her lack of objectivity in his book Esau's Tears.
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13566&p=98993#p98993
-Worked as a Jewish activist at the AJC for over 20 years. She did not complete a postgraduate degree, but did have an academic position, although it was at a Jewish school in "Holocaust Studies."

Summary
Maybe it's just me, but in terms of credentials this group is decidedly underwhelming. ALL five are Jewish, and at least two could be described as Jewish activists. There are three who held academic positions, two at Jewish schools, none at what I would call elite schools. And there's only one doctorate among them. Hilberg is easily the best credentialed of the group, but even here we can't help but notice that his field was political science rather than history. None of these books were published by an academic publisher. I am simply judging them here by their own criteria. I'm in no way a credentialist snob and I think people from many backgrounds could potentially write very good history but this is supposed to be one of the big points in favor of the establishment Holocaust narrative. Yet it seems clear it started as a niche Jewish topic and the elite academic dominance was not achieved until some decades after the war.

Mainstream Historiography
We turn now to what was being published by mainstream historians and academics. Dawidowicz wrote a book in 1981 about this very topic called The Holocaust and The Historians. Notably this book was published by Harvard University Press, a significant and telling promotion in terms of academic prestige. In it Dawidowicz complains about how the Holocaust had been essentially neglected in standard historical works.

Consider this entry (not in the Dawidowicz book) in an early postwar reference work, written by a Jewish author no less, that sounds downright revisionist.
Encyclopaedia Britannica (1947; reprinted in 1952 and 1956 editions), “Jews” by Jacob Rader Marcus, American-Jewish Historian [Quoted by Kues in his history of revisionism series]
In order to effect a solution of the Jewish problem in line with their theories, the Nazis carried out a series of expulsions and deportations of Jews, mostly of original east European stock, from nearly all European states. Men frequently separated from their wives, and others from children, were sent by the thousands to Poland and western Russia. There they were put into concentration camps, or huge reservations, or sent into the swamps, or out on the roads, into labour gangs. Large numbers perished under the inhuman conditions under which they labored. While every other large Jewish center was being embroiled in war, American Jewry was gradually assuming a position of leadership in world Jewry.

And here's one from a later work (from Dawidowicz). This 1972 book is over 1200 pages. It does talk about what we call "the Holocaust" although it dedicates a mere three sentences to the topic. Such cursory treatment would be unthinkable in something published today.
-Columbia History of the World (1972), Co-Editor Peter Gay (Jewish).
“The impact of the Nazis’ dreadful racial fantasies further exacerbated the situation. Some six million Jews and countless other innocents had been exterminated. The horrors of the concentration camps and the gas chambers left memories that it would take a long time to erase.”

Dawidowicz also goes through some of the work of the noted British historians A.J.P Taylor, Hugh Trevor-Roper, and Alan Bullock, and she notes that talk about persecution of Jews only very minimally in their works on WWII and the Third Reich. In a similar vein, Faurisson liked to point out that the voluminous memoirs of Churchill, Eisenhower, and de Gaulle have virtually no mention of what we call the Holocaust.

Here is how Arthur Butz interpreted the situation (as of the mid 70s):
In books and articles on subjects that are other than, but touch on, the “holocaust,” professional historians invariably give some sort of endorsement to the lie, but the extent, to which contrary hints are found in their writings, is considerable. No professional historian had published a book arguing and presenting evidence either for or against the reality of the exterminations. The motivations are obvious. No established historian had been willing to damage his reputation by writing a scholarly-sounding work supporting the extermination allegations, solemnly referencing documents and testimonies produced at illegal trials held under hysterical conditions and seriously setting forth, without apology, obvious idiotic nonsense such as the alleged dual role of the Zyklon. At least, no inducement to produce such a work seems to have come along. On the other hand, the pressure of intellectual conformity (to put it mildly) in academia has evidently terrorized historians into silence in the opposite regard. This being the case, it is both justified and expected that works such as the present one be produced by engineers and whatever.

https://www.unz.com/book/arthur_r_butz__the-hoax-of-the-twentieth-century/#p_75_1

By the 1980s the situation had begun to change. Soon "The Holocaust" was large and in charge and the pay became good enough that we began to see even Gentile scholars like Christopher Browning willing to debase themselves by devoting their careers to Holocaust research.

One interesting case from the 1990s however is that of Joel Hayward, a New Zealander who sometime around 1993 wrote a master's thesis on Holocaust revisionism for which he received an A+. The Jews found out about it around 1999 at which point they attempted unsuccessfully to have his degree revoked. How interesting though that this graduate student who was by most accounts philo-Semitic began looking into the topic and found the revisionist arguments persuasive, although he would disavow the thesis later on once he found himself under vigorous attack. And also how interesting that his own professors in the history department judged his work to be of excellent quality at the time it was submitted.

The Credentials of the Revisionists
Most of the challenges have accordingly come from outside the historical profession. Unz expresses it well.
In exploring the history of Holocaust Denial, I have noticed this same sort of recurrent pattern, most typically involving individuals rather than institutions. Someone highly-regarded and fully mainstream decides to investigate the controversial topic, and soon comes to conclusions that sharply deviate from the official truth of the last two generations. For various reasons, those views become public, and he is immediately demonized by the Jewish-dominated media as a horrible extremist, perhaps mentally-deranged, while being relentlessly hounded by a ravenous pack of fanatic Jewish-activists. This usually brings about the destruction of his career.

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/#p_1_143:1-93
Paul Rassinier, Frenchman, Nazi political prisoner, concentration camp survivor
Wilhelm Staeglich, German Judge, stationed near Auschwitz during the war and visited the camp several times
Robert Faurisson, Frenchman, professor of literature at Lyon
Arthur Butz, American, bachelor's at MIT, PhD from Minnesota, professor of electrical engineering at Northwestern
Fritz Berg, German-American, engineering degree from Columbia, worked as mechanical engineer
Fred Leuchter, American, degree in history, worked as a consultant on execution equipment, recommended to Zundel by a prison warden.
Walter Lüftl, Austrian, civil engineer, President of the Federal Chamber of Engineers
Germar Rudolf, German, working toward PhD in chemisty, left Germany for legal problems related to revisionism

Just like Unz says, we see people from a variety of backgrounds looking into the matter and reaching conclusions completely at odds with the standard story.

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Re: Academic Credentials and Holocaust Historiography, the surprising reality

Postby Lamprecht » 2 years 7 months ago (Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:47 pm)

Naturally we are supposed to assume that anyone who was part of the NSDAP or is of German ancestry at all cannot possibly be objective on this subject, but somehow it is heresy to suggest that a researcher of Jewish descent may be biased. This topic has been discussed here:

Debating: Responding to arguments claiming there are no "reliable/respected sources" denying the holocaust?
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Germar Rudolf responds to this fallacious argument thusly:
"To everyone who has ever suspected that revisionists are motivated by a desire to whitewash National Socialism, or restore the acceptability of right-wing political systems, or assist in a breakthrough of Nationalism, I would like to say the following:

While researching historical events, our highest goal must be at all times to discover how it actually was--as the 19th century German historian Leopold Ranke maintained. Historians should not place research in the service of making criminal accusations against, for example, Genghis Khan and the Mongol hordes, nor to whitewash any of their wrong-doings. Anybody insisting that research be barred from exonerating Genghis Khan of criminal accusations would be the object of ridicule and would be subject to the suspicion that he was, in fact, acting out of political motives. If this were not so, why would anyone insist that our historical view of Genghis Khan forever be defined solely by Khan's victims and enemies?

The same reasoning applies to Hitler and the Third Reich. Both revisionists and their adversaries are entitled to their political views. The accusation that revisionists are only interested in exonerating National Socialism and that such an effort is reprehensible or even criminal, is a boomerang: This accusation has as a prerequisite that it is deemed unacceptable to partially exonerate National Socialism historically, and by so doing, always also morally. But by declaring any hypothetical exoneration based on possible facts as unacceptable, one admits openly not to be interested in the quest for the truth, but in incriminating National Socialism historically and morally under any circumstances and at all costs. And the motivation behind this can only be political. Hence, those accusing revisionists to misuse their research for political ends have themselves been proven guilty of exactly this offense. It is therefore not necessarily the revisionists who are guided by political motives--though quite a few of them certainly are--but with absolute certainty all those who accuse others of attempting to somehow historically exonerate a political system which has long since disappeared.

As a consequence, our research must never be concerned with the possible 'moral' spin-off effects of our findings in relation to politicians or regimes of the past, but solely with the facts. Anyone who argues the opposite does not understand scientific research and should not presume to condemn others on the basis of authentic research."

- Germar Rudolf, 'The Rudolf Report', chapter 3
http://archive.fo/5DaIW
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NOTE: I am taking a leave of absence from revisionism to focus on other things. At this point, the ball is in their court to show the alleged massive pits full of human remains at the so-called "extermination camps." After 8 decades they still refuse to do this. I wonder why...

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Re: Academic Credentials and Holocaust Historiography, the surprising reality

Postby stinky » 2 years 7 months ago (Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:36 am)

Archie wrote:One interesting case from the 1990s however is that of Joel Hayward, a New Zealander who sometime around 1993 wrote a master's thesis on Holocaust revisionism for which he received an A+. The Jews found out about it around 1999 at which point they attempted unsuccessfully to have his degree revoked. How interesting though that this graduate student who was by most accounts philo-Semitic began looking into the topic and found the revisionist arguments persuasive, although he would disavow the thesis later on once he found himself under vigorous attack. And also how interesting that his own professors in the history department judged his work to be of excellent quality at the time it was submitted.

Hayward's mother is Jewish. Joel's story is an interesting one.
Another great post Archie
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Re: Academic Credentials and Holocaust Historiography, the surprising reality

Postby Otium » 2 years 7 months ago (Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:28 am)

stinky wrote:
Archie wrote:One interesting case from the 1990s however is that of Joel Hayward, a New Zealander who sometime around 1993 wrote a master's thesis on Holocaust revisionism for which he received an A+. The Jews found out about it around 1999 at which point they attempted unsuccessfully to have his degree revoked. How interesting though that this graduate student who was by most accounts philo-Semitic began looking into the topic and found the revisionist arguments persuasive, although he would disavow the thesis later on once he found himself under vigorous attack. And also how interesting that his own professors in the history department judged his work to be of excellent quality at the time it was submitted.

Hayward's mother is Jewish. Joel's story is an interesting one.
Another great post Archie


More about Joel Hayward, and the download link to his thesis 'The Fate of the Jews in German Hands' can be read here: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13533&p=98690#p98690

The response of the Working Party of the University of Canterbury was critical of Evans, albeit hesitant to disagree with him on the "facts". Nevertheless, Evans displayed behaviour not befitting of any scrupled and objective academic, because he is NOT one:

4.5 The Working Party received a submission from Professor G. F. Orchard, counsel for Dr Orange, concerning Professor Evans' report. This submission was principally concerned with the standpoint of Professor Evans; it suggested that he acted not as an objective expert but as a partisan advocate. Professor Orchard cited examples in the Evans report of exaggeration, omission, minimisation and misrepresentation. In its detailed consideration of the thesis set out below, the Working Party has considered Professor Orchard's arguments on particular passages.

4.6 The tone of the Evans report is strongly antagonistic and its highly critical treatment is not restricted to Dr Hayward alone. The supervisor and external examiner have both drawn attention to its polemical character, and have in turn subjected Professor Evans to similar criticism. The Working Party believes that such a response, though understandable, is unproductive. It has itself made every effort to discount Professor Evans' tendency to intemperate expression.

REPORT to the Council of The University of Canterbury:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/experts/Evans/NZReportExtract.html

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Re: Academic Credentials and Holocaust Historiography, the surprising reality

Postby Archie » 2 years 7 months ago (Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:34 pm)

I think Hayward approached the topic about as fairly and objectively as anybody could. And I think he tried to write something as balanced as possible yet he ended up writing an essentially revisionist work.

From his acknowledgment section, it sounds like he solicited material far and wide. And who do you think sent him better material? Revisionists, of course. Most of the Jewish orgs probably tried to charge him for photocopies.

Writing a thesis on an international phenomenon such as Holocaust Revisionism without being able to travel to archives or libraries in the United States, continental Europe or Great Britain has been a very difficult task. It could not have been accomplished at all had it not been for the kind assistance of the many people in many countries who supplied material in response to my letters of request. After searching out addresses in overseas telephone books at the local public library I wrote more than two hundred such letters, and I am pleased to say that I received responses to all but about twenty. I obtained additional material by placing an advertisement, explaining the nature of my investigation and requesting source material, in an American Revisionist newsletter and in two Jewish newspapers, one in the United States and one in Great Britain. I have chosen, of course, not to side with one school of thought against the other, but to seek critical distance and get “both sides of the story”. Noting that many scholars involved in the Holocaust controversy wear their moral values on their sleeves, I have consciously attempted not to do so, and not to let my own values harden into biases. Thus, I have contacted and on many occasions received and used material from both anti-Revisionist and Revisionist organizations and individuals. I make no apologies for this and I am tiling to acknowledge on this page the assistance I received from members of both camps, even from those whose views or actions I personally find unpalatable.

He thanks Mark Weber in particular.
Mark Weber of the institute for Historical Review, who also talked openly with me on two or three occasions, providing important information. His frequent criticism (occasionally in the form of an admonishment) was very helpful. He also supplied a wealth of requested (and much unrequested) material

Jews seem to think it was very sneaky and unfair for revisionists to send Hayward so much information.
In an analysis of the thesis published in the New Zealand Jewish Chronicle (April 2000), a Jewish academic, Prof. Dov Bing, speculated that "in 1991 it seems that Joel Hayward had been caught in the web of Holocaust deniers. Although he set out to critically analyze their views in an objective academic manner, he ended up supporting them. He came to admire people like Irving, Faurisson and Weber."

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p21_thesis.html
Of course, there was absolutely nothing preventing these well-funded Jewish orgs from sending their best material to Hayward.

Irving's got of good collection of links on Hayward.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/BoD/origins/Hayward/index.html

Henri Roques is another example I should have mentioned. He was a French academic historian who wrote a dissertation on Gerstein in the 80s. His doctorate was revoked by government order.

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Re: Academic Credentials and Holocaust Historiography, the surprising reality

Postby stinky » 2 years 7 months ago (Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:58 am)

Archie wrote:I think Hayward approached the topic about as fairly and objectively as anybody could. And I think he tried to write something as balanced as possible yet he ended up writing an essentially revisionist work.

Despite his concerted efforts to be even handed, and being a (proud) Jew via his mother, who learnt Hebrew, was a member of the Zionist 'New Zealand Friends of Israel' (at the time of writing the thesis) & member of the philosemitic 'Opposition To Antisemitism' group - the usual suspects pummelled Hayward and he eventually backed away from his thesis.
I highly recommend this article by Hayward where he details the outrageous campaign to discredit his Masters Thesis.
https://www.joelhayward.com/myoverviewoftheaffair.htm

Here's an excerpt that establish Haywards kosherness (pro-tip, it didn't shield him from the pummelling) and a little bit about how he approached his work;
I chose this topic because it combined my three great interests: World War II, the German language, and Jewish history. Even before I began my university studies I had gained a strong reading ability in Hebrew, which I studied because of pride in my Jewish heritage on mum's side of the family. My nana, Myrtle Bush, identified herself as Jewish, and my dear mum and I, more so than my two siblings, took an interest in all things Jewish.

As well as learning Hebrew I travelled to the small nation I felt a bond with: Israel, the Jewish homeland. This is a photo of a very young me in Tel Arad, Israel, in 1989 or 1990, the year before I wrote my masters thesis. Notice the menorah (Jewish candlestick) necklace.

I loved my times in Israel and believe without reservation that, while Palestinian grievances need addressing (and they are a lovely people, like their Israeli Jewish neighbours), Israel is a legitimate state that has given Jews a sense of focus and safety after the horrors of World War II. I have never wavered in this belief. As I said in the 15 April 2002 issue of the Evening Standard: "Israel clearly has a right to exist within its current borders, and its citizens must be able to live in safety."
During the five years up to and including the year I wrote my thesis on revisionism (1991) I was a member of The New Zealand Friends of Israel, Inc., a national non-religious Zionistic group composed of both Christians and Jews. In fact, the very year I wrote the thesis I was a Christchurch branch committee member. I was also a member of a local non-religious philosemitic group called Opposition to Anti-Semitism, Inc.

I thus thought that, with this background and my resolve not to get drawn into the revisionism/anti-revisionism debate, I could write a fair and non-partisan thesis. I certainly tried to do so. In good faith I did my best to acquire and make sense of key sources, to create a balanced argument, and to accept every piece of direction and guidance given by my trusted supervisor, Dr Orange, with whom I met for supervision meetings almost weekly. I can say in truth that I scrupulously accepted all of Dr Orange's instructions and revised my work continuously in accordance with his advice.
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Postby stinky » 2 years 7 months ago (Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:19 am)

Just to add to that, after taking a pummeling, Hayward grovelled and added this addendum to his thesis, to which he opens with;
This addendum represents an accurate summary of my assessment of my thesis and of the Holocaust. As a powerful gesture of good will to the Jewish community, and to prevent what I considered the mis-reporting and misuse of the thesis by some cranks, I asked the University of Canterbury to attach the addendum to the thesis. It did so.

The full addendum is here - well worth the read for those unfamiliar;
https://www.joelhayward.com/thesisaddendum.htm

The addendum is a desperate plea for forgiveness to his “never enough” bretheren, where Hayward states that;
I can now see that I failed in my M.A. thesis to place adequate analytical weight on the motivation of numerous authors on the Holocaust, even though some were obviously writing with a view to attacking Jews and rehabilitating Nazis.

In a true moment of predictable jewishness, Hayward directs the reader to be mindful of the (non kosher) authors of the Holocaust, and to beware of their motivation.

What an author's motivation is or is not (can Hayward read minds) may have nothing to do with the content.
If you want to defeat an argument, you must counter the argument. It is typically (but not exclusively jewish) to attack the person (their political leaning, their imagined motivation, etc) rather than address & counter the argument.

In another example of predictable Jewish hypocrisy, Hayward would never think to hold his own tribesman to the same standard in terms of bias!
Inferring that the reader should be wary of the (irrational) "antisemites" - while eating up every word & utterance of someone like, say a jew, without question!

Also, he back-tracks his “excessively complimentary” analysis of Leuchter’s findings - while ignoring those of Rudoph, who produced an updated, superior report to that of Leuchter - (which Hayward knows)!

Hayward concludes that “extremely negative experiences” with revisionists strengthens his belief that
they care less about recreating the past in an honest, even-handed and methodologically sound way than they do about spreading antisemitic or neo-Nazi conspiracies.

However, Hayward fails to provide any examples - we are meant to believe that he was sucked in to the anti-semites orbit, but after some ”extremely negative experiences” has some how changed his understanding on matters that he is not prepared to evidence or provide an example.

"I had a negative experience with “X” - so I don’t believe “Y” to be true anymore"

Some of his later revelations are equally as pedestrian;
Blah blah blah Einsatzgruppen (ie earlier iterations of the alleged gas chamber death toll fall apart and are no longer tenable - so more lies are invented to buttress the original made up death toll, with a similar standard of flimsy evidence & lack of human remains).
In the final analysis, Hayward's Addendum could be summed up as an apologia;
To my unrelenting, hysterical, irrational, unsatisfied, obnoxious, immoral (((persecutors))) whom tried to smash me for daring to question the sacrosanct dogma of the holy religion of Holocaustianity - even though I myself was a good little zionist Jew myself!!!
Please accept my unreserved apology
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